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Is there an "in before the whole site lock" gif?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatanka
I wasn't suggesting that it would be a drain on the athletic budget it was just a question: which female programs will get these scholarships?Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
Track............
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Originally Posted by natstar1
Track? Track is a good use.Quote:
Originally Posted by MAKBison
Alright, I gotta chime in on this as well. I'm 100% for a move to FBS if/when FBS becomes the 2nd tier of CFB AND plays a tournament for a championship. Then and only then do I think that NDSU will get enough local support to warrant a move up.
Right now it's just not in the books for us to move, even if we did have a conference that wanted us. The best "fit" for similar sized universities would be MWC of course, best fit geographically would be Big 10 or Big 12. I really don't see any of these conferences knocking on our doors asking us to join the party.
Having said that, I'd love to see NDSU start building towards the future, and that starts with donations/contributions from not only existing TeamMakers but also from those of us (self included... looking at what I need to donate yet this year for tax purposes and ALL donations for rest of year will go directly to TM) that haven't been TM's in the past. I honestly think that TM needs to improve their marketing and not just go after the white elephants, because let's be honest, there are only so many Jim Engstad's and Sanford Health's in the FM area and you can only squeeze so much juice out of them. However, I believe that there are MANY individuals who don't think they can qualify to be TeamMakers because they don't have thousands to give.... well, $100 gets you in. And it's tax deductible. I'm fairly certain that a LOT of fans and local businesses would participate if they knew more about the process and benefits.
After that I think we need to start looking outside of Fargo for donors. However, NDSU does have a bit of a bad rap with many western ND folks due to the president's house ordeal, etc.... all they hear is the negatives about NDSU. A media campaign in western ND would go a long long way towards securing donors out that way. (not just talking oil fields either, talking about farmers, ranchers, business owners, etc...)
For the TL/DR crowd: For a move when BCS breaks off and FBS starts tournament. Need to start raising money now. Have ideas.
At least for now...I'm NOT in favor of this.
As some have said, we're just too isolated geographically.
I don't think we can attract that many more students OR scholarships that fast.
Facilities changes just ain't gonna happen that fast, like it or no...
I feel the NCAA sports/conference-structuring will change again too.
Therefore..."conference wishing" or invitations will be irrelevant soon.
Playing in a "Who cares Bowl"? No thanks...
Just MY opinions.
>>> Do I WANT to move up sometime relatively soon? YES.
>>> Is it realistic on many levels yet? NO.
Faron
It's a fair question but Title IX isn't really about scholarships. It's about resources devoted to programs and balance. People focus so much attention on scholarships (44 scholarships is half a million dollars). That's nothing in the overall scope of a move that would likely increase the Department budget by $10-15 Million ar a minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by natstar1
I'd suggest that it would involve much more than simply adding scholarships to existing women's programs. It would probably require adding a sport or maybe two in addition to bumping the dollars contributed to the existing sports for coaching, recruiting, etc. There would likely be larger increases on the women's side to maintain balance. I have a feeling we aren't exactly a long way into the "green" right now when it comes to Title IX. There are 3 methods of maintaining compliance and you only have to meet one. I'd be shocked to learn that we comply under all three methods.
I am pretty certain that all of our current women's sports already have the NCAA limit of scholarships funded. So to balance 22 more in football would require additional women's sports to be added.
Well have a women's sports added or men's sports cut so they match. That was part of the reason why UNO cut their football team when they moved up to D-1, easier to get rid of the team than trying to add the scholarships or teams in women's sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
NEVER EVER EVER EVER happen at NDSU. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdg64
Not saying it will, just saying those are the two options.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernBison
I get that. Just cross off the idea of cutting a men's sport or two. NDSU will not be considering that.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdg64
Keep in mind when you use the word "match", it's not about the number of sports or even the number of scholarships. It's about resources devoted to programs ($$$$$$$$$). Some people mistakenly believe that only football is different with a move to FBS. Nothing could be further from the truth. Take the MWC for example. I'm quite sure that their coaching staffs for every sport are paid higher than what we are currently paying. Men's sports probably have the large dollar gaps (I'm guessing there).
If every program needs more money to compete and the gaps are greater for men's sports, the Title IX affect is rather drastic.
Well said. The only part I disagree on is the Mountain West being the only conference. Obviously like you said the Big Ten or 12 won't have us. Since we're literally the center of the country we can go either way. (**twss**) Personally I think the MAC makes sense from a geographic standpoint. It's more of a midwest footprint and we already play teams in Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio. We're talking snow climates too. Something about California, Nevada, and New Mexico that seems way out of place. Reminds me too much of UN_ and the Big Sky.Quote:
Originally Posted by tjamz
Other sports the MVC is the no brainer. I'm starting to wonder if the Horizon is that much better than the Summit now we have ORU. Same number of teams and if UN_ would return we would be very stable. Then again if anyone steals a Horizon team, the first place they will likely look is the Summit. Given all the major issues with stability I think the MAC makes the most sense with 12 teams
And baseball is still not fully funded, correct?Quote:
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
I heard on the radio the gophers sold 3400 tickets to their bowl game.
Their fan base sucks. Lived down their for 5 years, went to half a dozen games and never met more than a handful of die hard goopher fans. They seem content with being mediocre.Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonTeacher
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How well are the men's track teams funded?
IIRC, both the track teams and cross country need to be funded to at least 80% of the max allowed or they don't count as separate sports. If they aren't counted as separate sports, NDSU would not be at the 16 required sports for FBS.
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I have largely stayed out of this FBS discussion. But after watching Fresno State, co-MWC champion, play in the Las Vegas Bowl and get pounded by USC, and now watching a shitty Poinsettia Bowl with Northern Illinois and the other MWC co-champion Utah State play lousy football in a lousy bowl I keep asking myself "why?". Of course, the spectacular Poinstettia Bowl followed the Little Ceasars Bowl with the MAC champion Bowling Green losing to an utterly and ridicuously bad Pitt. There was a sparse crowd in the Ceasars Bowl and an even smaller crowd in the Poinsettia Bowl, so obviously FBS fans are not flocking to these games.
So, tell me in all honesty what the attraction is for you all FBS proponents in having the Bison play in these shitty conferences with the sole goal of playing in these even shittier bowls. I'm serious. Tell me what attacts you to having the Bison play in conferences such as these. I truly want to know, because the whole logic and rationale thought process as to why this is where NDSU needs to be in the whole scheme of college football is escaping me. I don't understand you, so explain it to me.
Thanks.
Stay at the level they are at. Death sentence moving up in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
everyone knows the bowl games are just an add on, and the real fun is during the regular season . I, admittedly, think a lot of these bowl games are meaningless and just a free trip for the players.
but the regular season is so much more intriguing if you have Fresno, CState, SDSU or whoever compared to UNI, USD, ISU-b and Missouri St.
To what point do you start thinking NDSU is just too good for FCS? Some of us are already there...but Yea Frisco is fun, but with the powers moving up...NDSU is going to be in the running every year. Itll get stale. NDSU will be like the NW MO state of FCS.
NDSU basically has to hope a neighboring FCS power(Montana) is on the schedule every year to save face.
I went to 4 road games this year. That would not happen in the MWCQuote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
I would answer your questions, but I am a lot like you, wondering why all the FBS-Fuss, especially at this point?Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonNeil
I am still totally lost, as to what will College Football, Divison 1, look like in ten years? IN just 5 years? No one can answer this, not yet anyway. BCS is moving to a 4 team playoff next year, but almost everyone says the same thing..."Thats not going to solve much at all?"
At some point there will have to be a 16-24 team tournament similar to FCS, but that seems light years away?
So, the question was, "Why all the fuss about moving up to FBS?" Seems like a fair question to me?
We should wait and see what literally happens at the FBS/BCS level, but maybe that will be waiting too long? Maybe we need to be in a conference ASAP? But which conference? Wyoming is not even in a BCS conference right now?
Too many questions with only limited speculation for answers.
if NDSU reaches a point where it thinks it can contend on occasion, it should make the jump. I don't see that happening within the lifespan of the fargodome.
Thats true...but I don't think minnesota is the only team having trouble selling tickets to a non bcs bowl. And this was one of Minn best seasons in a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by westnodak93bison
My point is the bowl system is a joke.
Most people think this class of seniors is the best ever, so why base thinking that NDSU is to good for the fcs on what this class has been doing for the last 4 years. The people who think we need to move now would be wise to want to wait to see how we do for a few more years to see if we can sustain the success with a different class, and a new coach, then see where the fan base is and if we are still selling out the dome when the team is not winning championships.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
If I am not mistaken, MN is now selling tickets for a dollar, yes folks I do mean $1. That is how bad their ticket sales are, heck even Ohio St is on the hook for 10,000 unsold tickets from their allotment that they can't seem to sell. And we have people who want to jump up to the FBS so that we can encounter this problem why???? The problem with lower level bowl games is this, no one can get excited about a bowl game against a mediocre team when win or lose, there is no life after the game is over, the team isn't going any further than that game. At least in the fcs playoffs the excitement of that game is that if you win, you have a shot at a Natty.Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonTeacher
Can't do, we're already at the minimum allowed for DI sports offered. Only option is to add women's sports/scholarships to offset the extra scholarships going to football in FBS. Bowling? Does the union still have an alley in the basement?Quote:
Originally Posted by bdg64
Attendance was bad at the Little Caesar's Bowl featuring teams from schools that are 83 and 288 miles away. Both are easy driving distance for most people.
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Originally Posted by BisonTeacher
to add to what you are saying....I believe the big ten has a fund to cover the cost of the seats if one of their teams does not sell their allotment. So they drop the prices trying to entice people to go knowing they will be backed up by the conference bowl fund.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1st&TennBison
Read this---Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonTeacher
https://www.toledoblade.com/sports/2...situation.html
Yep....and all that fun stuff is IF....IF you get a bowl game.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Wow, great article PL, and Bisonteacher, great point.."IF" you get a bowl game.
NDSU has been playing at a pretty high level in Division 1 if you take out the 08-09 years. sooooooooooooo sustainability is there.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1st&TennBison
Whooooa there big fella! Not winning championships??? That's crazy talk! :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by 1st&TennBison
hey guys. NDSU's opponent will barely have 500 fans at their first ever national championship.
Better stay put!
And some of our fans get scared of the cold...Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
good thing liquor stores are open until 2AM in north dakotaQuote:
Originally Posted by TransAmBison
I think the best part of FCS is the playoff environment.... and being able to attend a lot of away games if I so desire (SDSU/USD/UNI) on an annual basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
Intriguing? Maybe for the first few years, after that I see a fall-out of fans honestly. NDSU fans are used to playing for something throughout the year, they are used to playing for championships (not that every year will be a championship run, but a championship should always be the goal at the start of the season).Quote:
but the regular season is so much more intriguing if you have Fresno, CState, SDSU or whoever compared to UNI, USD, ISU-b and Missouri St.
We've been the best for the past few years. If we're still the best in 5-10 years and have piled on 3-7 more championships then I'll be fully on board with us being too good. For right now we are the best at what we do at this level. Doesn't mean that we will always be king of the mountain.Quote:
To what point do you start thinking NDSU is just too good for FCS? Some of us are already there...but Yea Frisco is fun, but with the powers moving up...NDSU is going to be in the running every year. Itll get stale. NDSU will be like the NW MO state of FCS.
I'll give you that our OOC games have been a little boring the past few years. That is largely due to our success and us having to pay FBS rates to FCS schools (or DII) to come here and play. Eventually that *should* level off once we aren't the most dominant force in FCS for a year or two.Quote:
NDSU basically has to hope a neighboring FCS power(Montana) is on the schedule every year to save face.
Like I said earlier, when the BCS/FBS split happens (and it will) I expect to see the bottom FBS and upper FCS conferences break off and form their own league/subdivision complete with tournament. And NDSU needs to be ready for this and should be planning now for the facilities to accommodate this move.
So, you're saying that the only thing that counts is the regular season and that the best thing you can hope for is a conference championship and that is all the satisfaction you need? Interesting. If the top goal is a conference championship and a shitty bowl is just an add on, count me out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10