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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I very much guess that they don’t, USF and FAU, Temple, ECU, Charlotte, UAB, etc. are going to choke on Wyoming, USU, etc. Hell I think they probably choke on Air Force too. All the travel of the ACC/B10, without the tv revenue.

Similar to the PAC savior schools, AFA would be leaving the MW to try to get away from those schools, so what benefit is there for them?

I would guess invitations go out this FY for schools to join MW in fall 2026. What happened to the PAC has got to be weighing on the minds of Nevarez and the remaining MW presidents. Either CUSA schools or FCS. Clock is ticking…

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The MW does not have to do anything for 2 years. They can also get an additional 2 years with a waiver from the NCAA like the Pac 2 got. Lots of things can shake out all over the country by 2028. The clock is ticking very very very slowly. Maybe the Belt poaches some AAC schools. Maybe CUSA poaches some MW schools. Nothing has to make sense anymore..

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Originally Posted by MWC

The MW does not have to do anything for 2 years. They can also get an additional 2 years with a waiver from the NCAA like the Pac 2 got. Lots of things can shake out all over the country by 2028. The clock is ticking very very very slowly. Maybe the Belt poaches some AAC schools. Maybe CUSA poaches some MW schools. Nothing has to make sense anymore..

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Sure, they can get a waiver like the PAC did. Knowingly following in the PACs footsteps seems like a great idea. OSU and WSU seem like they’ve been having a lot of fun over the last two years lol.

That’s my point. When you’re in a position of control you can afford to wait. When you’re not, you can’t. You either pull a plan together for the conference moving forward, or schools are going to make other plans. Quickly.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

You either pull a plan together for the conference moving forward, or schools are going to make other plans. Quickly.

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Making rash decisions is how you end up like CUSA instead of the Sun Belt.

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Originally Posted by abc123

Making rash decisions is how you end up like CUSA instead of the Sun Belt.

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What rash decision put CUSA in their current position? Not having a plan and getting outmaneuvered while they sat with their hands in their pockets is what got CUSA to where they currently are. Everything since has been an exercise in survival.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I think UNLV (Pac) and AFA (AAC) will be gone soon. The leftovers would be at 6 football schools but only 5 full time members. They have 4 years to figure something out. The departing schools will still be here until fall of 26. Whatever is left can get a 2 year grace period to rebuild to 8 if they choose. They will have pretty much milked the poaching and exit fees dry by then. But.....

Would any school want to join that? Would FCS schools want to pay the 5 million, plus the additional costs to join that? NMSU and UTEP are in a far more stable situation. Why would they give that up for a dead man walking conference?

There can't be two G5 level conferences in the West. It just doesn't work.

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In my mind, this is also what I'm thinking. And exactly what helps out XDSU's in getting invites, potentially. Yes, XDSU's will want it; but you are also right that folks from other FBS probably don't.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Sure, they can get a waiver like the PAC did. Knowingly following in the PACs footsteps seems like a great idea. OSU and WSU seem like they’ve been having a lot of fun over the last two years lol.

That’s my point. When you’re in a position of control you can afford to wait. When you’re not, you can’t. You either pull a plan together for the conference moving forward, or schools are going to make other plans. Quickly.

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To that end I would agree. The MW now has the unenviable task of trying to negotiate a new media deal for 26/27 and beyond. That is going to be a slog. With the now G5 Pac offering late night west coast and mountain time slots, the MW looks far less inviting. It will be pretty much impossible to get any bump from what the MW gets now. Sac State and Davis share a really big market but I am not sure they move the needle. The Montanas and the Dakotas have rabid fans that fill their stadiums, neither has large media markets. NMSU and UTEP don't move the needle. I am not sure what draw the MW has to get much. However, it would behoove them to figure out which schools might help with their pitch quickly.

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Originally Posted by MWC

To that end I would agree. The MW now has the unenviable task of trying to negotiate a new media deal for 26/27 and beyond. That is going to be a slog. With the now G5 Pac offering late night west coast and mountain time slots, the MW looks far less inviting. It will be pretty much impossible to get any bump from what the MW gets now. Sac State and Davis share a really big market but I am not sure they move the needle. The Montanas and the Dakotas have rabid fans that fill their stadiums, neither has large media markets. NMSU and UTEP don't move the needle. I am not sure what draw the MW has to get much. However, it would behoove them to figure out which schools might help with their pitch quickly.

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I would point out the media markets for Sioux Falls, SD and Fargo, ND are bigger than Missoula or Bozeman. (yes, still nothing compared to major metro areas.....) Granted, all are state and/or land grant universities, so all 4 have wide appeal in their states.

There is no way in hell the MWC takes years to hand out invites. lol.

We will know who is joining the MWC before the football season is over.


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Originally Posted by MWC

There is another path. The Pac and the AAC take at least 9 MW schools between them who would then vote to dissolve the conference. No exit fees, no poaching fees.. No MWC

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I doubt the AAC will look beyond Air Force and UNLV, they can always look to the Sun Belt. JMU and/or Texas State would get a look long before the remaining MWC schools. CUSA may be the only option for the remaining if they want to leave.

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Originally Posted by MWC

No I am not. If they want AFA badly enough, and I think they do, it may well have to come as a package deal with the other Rocky Mountain schools. Or maybe not. If the MW tries to rebuild it will be a few years before invitations go out. The schools leaving aren't going until 2026.

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Why would AFA care enough to force the AAC to take schools the league isn't interested in? AFA has been flirting with the AAC when it was still the Big East. The key now is that CSU is gone, and Army has joined Navy in the AAC. The AAC is the safest place AFA can be in the new world of college football.

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Originally Posted by MWC

The MW does not have to do anything for 2 years. They can also get an additional 2 years with a waiver from the NCAA like the Pac 2 got. Lots of things can shake out all over the country by 2028. The clock is ticking very very very slowly. Maybe the Belt poaches some AAC schools. Maybe CUSA poaches some MW schools. Nothing has to make sense anymore..

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Point of order, PAC did not(yet) get a waiver. NCAA bylaws have an automatic 2 year grace period if a conference drops below required membership. PAC remains a conference but lost all their autobids and did not get a waiver on that.
The Summit League *did* get a waiver on top of the 2 year grace period awhile back, although we already had a new member signed to join the next year. If PAC can't get to 8+ by 2026 they may or may not get the same.

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Originally Posted by taper

Point of order, PAC did not(yet) get a waiver. NCAA bylaws have an automatic 2 year grace period if a conference drops below required membership. PAC remains a conference but lost all their autobids and did not get a waiver on that.
The Summit League *did* get a waiver on top of the 2 year grace period awhile back, although we already had a new member signed to join the next year. If PAC can't get to 8+ by 2026 they may or may not get the same.

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I stand corrected..Thanks

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Originally Posted by MWC

I think UNLV (Pac) and AFA (AAC) will be gone soon. The leftovers would be at 6 football schools but only 5 full time members. They have 4 years to figure something out. The departing schools will still be here until fall of 26. Whatever is left can get a 2 year grace period to rebuild to 8 if they choose. They will have pretty much milked the poaching and exit fees dry by then. But.....

Would any school want to join that? Would FCS schools want to pay the 5 million, plus the additional costs to join that? NMSU and UTEP are in a far more stable situation. Why would they give that up for a dead man walking conference?

There can't be two G5 level conferences in the West. It just doesn't work.

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Certainly the conference could pay the entrance fees. The only thing good is they will be sitting on a stockpile of money from buyouts

I think ultimately they add New Mexico State and UTEP. Not a tremendous conference but it's a starting point

The longer they wait, the more cold feet teams will get

I guarantee most teams would pick the PAC 12, including NDSU

Although the only stability Conference USA has is numbers. UTEP and New Mexico State have no business playing in CUSA. They fit better. If they go, Sam Houston will go. Then CUSA is down to 9 and MWC is at 8. Add NDSU and SDSU and it's 10

Another weird advantage NDSU has is time zone. That has value with game start times

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

Certainly the conference could pay the entrance fees. The only thing good is they will be sitting on a stockpile of money from buyouts

I think ultimately they add New Mexico State and UTEP. Not a tremendous conference but it's a starting point

The longer they wait, the more cold feet teams will get

I guarantee most teams would pick the PAC 12, including NDSU

Although the only stability Conference USA has is numbers. UTEP and New Mexico State have no business playing in CUSA. They fit better. If they go, Sam Houston will go. Then CUSA is down to 9 and MWC is at 8. Add NDSU and SDSU and it's 10

Another weird advantage NDSU has is time zone. That has value with game start times

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UTEP and NMSU seem like frontrunners but until this thing plays out a bit I would not take that to the bank. Things are fluid at the moment.

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Originally Posted by MWC

There can't be two G5 level conferences in the West. It just doesn't work.

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There was once the PAC, MWC and WAC....pretty sure the western half of the US is big enough for the PAC whatever and the MWC. I feel like the upper level being splintered across multipel conferences is really to the benefit of western G5 conferences.

The MWC needs to look at the landscape and lean heavily into quality football schools like the Sun Belt did. All of those schools are there for the taking...NDSU, SDSU, Montana and Montana State. It can be a western Sun Belt if it so choses. App State, GSU and JMU were not exactly big market schools either, they all are quality football programs though.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

There was once the PAC, MWC and WAC....pretty sure the western half of the US is big enough for the PAC whatever and the MWC. I feel like the upper level being splintered across multipel conferences is really to the benefit of western G5 conferences.

The MWC needs to look at the landscape and lean heavily into quality football schools like the Sun Belt did. All of those schools are there for the taking...NDSU, SDSU, Montana and Montana State. It can be a western Sun Belt if it so choses. App State, GSU and JMU were not exactly big market schools either, they all are quality football programs though.

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I think they will look for good football schools. I am not sure how many replacements they will need.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I think they will look for good football schools. I am not sure how many replacements they will need.

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What do you think the next media deal for the MWC is going to look like? I think it’s up in 2026 but the PAC is out to bid before hand. I’ve seen Sun Belt estimates of $7m a year in total. If it gets into that range does NDSU become a net positive?


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Originally Posted by EP NDSU Fan

What do you think the next media deal for the MWC is going to look like? I think it’s up in 2026 but the PAC is out to bid before hand. I’ve seen Sun Belt estimates of $7m a year in total. If it gets into that range does NDSU become a net positive?


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My guess and it is just a guess, it will be about the same as it is now though probably a bit less. They get 45 million a year from Fox and CBS. They added a deal from trutv for this season which adds a bit. The Pac 2 gave them 14 million for the scheduling deal. There are a lot of basketball credits in the bank. I would guess the total distribution will be around 8 million per school this year. Hawaii gets far less. If I understand correctly, the 4 defectors will not receive their distribution for this year and next. A big chunk of that will spread out to the remainders.

The schools whom remain are going to get a whole lot of cash with the poaching fees and the exit fees. If they are smart all the schools will have enough money to thrive for quite awhile.

The conference may use some of the money to add a school or 2 but those schools will not get a dime from the defector windfall..Most of the remaining schools already have a 50 million dollar budget and they will be quite flush. That is certainly the upside. I have been pointing out some possible doom and gloom scenarios but I actually think the conference will be just fine.

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

I would point out the media markets for Sioux Falls, SD and Fargo, ND are bigger than Missoula or Bozeman. (yes, still nothing compared to major metro areas.....) Granted, all are state and/or land grant universities, so all 4 have wide appeal in their states.

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The concept of media markets is outdated. NDSU, SDSU and the Montana schools are the entire state for a media market. And for NDSU, 45% of students are from Minnesota. It's about national brands and rivalry games. Those 2 schools have some big time rivalries

Also media markets only matter if you're on statewide TV. Cable Networks or streaming platforms arent local. How many fans do you have and do fans want to watch you play? There's a reason East Tennessee State set a record crowd vs NDSU by drawing 11k in a 7k seat capacity stadium

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Originally Posted by MWC

This would be driven solely by the MW schools who wish to avoid exit fees. The AAC and the Pac would not have to be working together to make this happen. AFA has wanted to go to the AAC for years. UNLV is not tied to Nevada and will be added to the Pac, maybe as soon as this week.

That leaves just 5 full members of the MW and football only Hawaii.

Wyoming
New Mexico
USU
Nevada
SJSU

Say the Pac grabs 4 from the AAC who then backfills with Wyoming, New Mexico and maybe USU.

That leaves NV, SJSU and Hawaii. The departing schools vote to dissolve. Nobody has to collude to get to that point.

I think this may be the most likely outcome.

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I'd give this scenario overall less than a 5% chance.

AFA -> AAC could happen, and AAC has a warchest from past exits to finance that if needed. Comes down to whether or not AAC overall wants them. I'd say 60-70% odds on that piece occuring.

UNLV may also be desirable enough for PAC to take them. Nevada goes as a bundle if either politics force it, or PAC gets desperate.

PAC is also rumored to be talking with at least Memphis and Tulane, who are seen as two of the stronger AAC schools. Outside of AFA, the AAC would primarily be looking to backfill with SBC and CUSA schools in their region. Some not mentioned frequently that could be AAC candidates include schools like Louisiana, USM, WKU and MTSU. Supposedly WKU and MTSU in part turned down a MAC offer and stayed in CUSA to avoid a GoR and keep their path to AAC open. Those two were looked at by AAC and SBC previously in the last round of shuffling.

Given their publicly stated preferences, and other options, I don't see AAC looking westward beyond AFA. AFA is logical because it combines all the service academies under one roof, like collecting railroads in monopoly.

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

The concept of media markets is outdated. NDSU, SDSU and the Montana schools are the entire state for a media market. And for NDSU, 45% of students are from Minnesota. It's about national brands and rivalry games. Those 2 schools have some big time rivalries

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Unfortunately, to date, the larger conferences have made nearly all of their decisions based on media markets.

I agree it's outdated, but for conferences like P4, PAC and AAC, that's really all they care about it seems. Even WSU and OSU, which have great brands got left behind in the PAC-2 because their media markets were too small for the P4.

This all filters down, and eventually the bigger markets like UNLV will be picked dry. That's what gives conferences like CUSA, and potentially MWC this round no choice but to start backfilling with FCS schools.

If there is one weakness we have, its location. I could see Sacramento St and UC Davis getting callups due to their location. My hope is MWC will have enough openings this round that they have no choice but to look in our direction also. We won't see interest from PAC or AAC, they simply have too many bigger fish/markets they can attract and pull from.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

I'd give this scenario overall less than a 5% chance.

AFA -> AAC could happen, and AAC has a warchest from past exits to finance that if needed. Comes down to whether or not AAC overall wants them. I'd say 60-70% odds on that piece occuring.

UNLV may also be desirable enough for PAC to take them. Nevada goes as a bundle if either politics force it, or PAC gets desperate.

PAC is also rumored to be talking with at least Memphis and Tulane, who are seen as two of the stronger AAC schools. Outside of AFA, the AAC would primarily be looking to backfill with SBC and CUSA schools in their region. Some not mentioned frequently that could be AAC candidates include schools like Louisiana, USM, WKU and MTSU. Supposedly WKU and MTSU in part turned down a MAC offer and stayed in CUSA to avoid a GoR and keep their path to AAC open. Those two were looked at by AAC and SBC previously in the last round of shuffling.

Given their publicly stated preferences, and other options, I don't see AAC looking westward beyond AFA. AFA is logical because it combines all the service academies under one roof, like collecting railroads in monopoly.

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The whole UNLV and Nevada dynamic is confusing. I've see multiple sources say they are attached, and others say they can each move independently. Not sure what to believe.
Maybe Chapo could ask during his next call with the MWC commissioner.

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Originally Posted by KSBisonFan

The whole UNLV and Nevada dynamic is confusing. I've see multiple sources say they are attached, and others say they can each move independently. Not sure what to believe.
Maybe Chapo could ask during his next call with the MWC commissioner.

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How old is the MW commish's mom? Does Chapo have her number?

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Originally Posted by KSBisonFan

The whole UNLV and Nevada dynamic is confusing. I've see multiple sources say they are attached, and others say they can each move independently. Not sure what to believe.
Maybe Chapo could ask during his next call with the MWC commissioner.

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Nevada and UNLV have never been attached before. Both have been in separate conferences for almost their entire history. UNLV is free to go alone.

I think what gets lost in the conversation about media markets is having a large population base near your school plays more into your favor than just media markets - it also helps attract a conference's member schools that are interested in getting into a lucrative recruiting territory in terms of prospective students (and prospective student-athletes for the coaches).

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Originally Posted by MWC

Nevada and UNLV have never been attached before. Both have been in separate conferences for almost their entire history. UNLV is free to go alone.

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I believe you. Multiple podcasts and articles are running with the 'attached' angle.

I did read that UNLV has the lowest viewership of any MWC school, which may be the reason the 6PAC isn't jumping on inviting them.

UNLV may well be in the Pac before too long but there are a few reasons why it may not happen. Adding the 4 MW schools triggers poaching fees of 43 million bucks. Adding UNLV boosts that to 54 million. Adding schools from other conferences does not come attached with a poaching fee. The MW has the highest exit fees in G5. OSU and WAZZU are probably going to help pay some of that for the 4 schools they have now but they may not be willing to do that for UNLV right now. UNLV has a fine football team right now but there history in football is dismal. If and when they lose their coach to a better job somewhere, there will certainly be uncertainty going forward.

I just read that the pac has started a 2nd round of negotiations with tulane and memphis.

Which means 2 things: 1) the pac REALLY wants tulane and memphis; and 2) tulane and memphis did not say yes when approached by the pac. Which suggests that sober G5 schools also see the PAC as a G5 (G6 I guess).

Also read that AFA and UNLV are expected to leave the mwc. Which probably means they are deep in the negotiation weeds and nearly have agreed to a deal.

Also read that the pac is negotiating with or preparing to negotiate with other programs that are yet to be named.

I dont think dissolving the mwc is on the table, sonce these teams are leaving in chunks. The ones that announce a move have lost voting rights as soon as a single team challenges them. The mwc controls a large pot of money now, and whoever is leftout will sue to keep it. Basically 0% chance the mwc ceases to exist.

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Originally Posted by Twentysix

I just read that the pac has started a 2nd round of negotiations with tulane and memphis.

Which means 2 things: 1) the pac REALLY wants tulane and memphis; and 2) tulane and memphis did not say yes when approached by the pac.

Also read that AFA and UNLV are expected to leave the mwc. Which probably means they are deep in the negotiation weeds and nearly have agreed to a deal.

Also read that the pac is negotiating with or preparing to negotiate with other programs that are yet to be named.

I dont think dissolving the mwc is on the table, sonce these teams are leaving in chunks. The ones that announce a move have lost voting rights as soon as a single team challenges them. The mwc controls a large pot of money now, and whoever is leftout will sue to keep it. Basically 0% chance the mwc ceases to exist.

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I would agree..I think the MW will carry on. However, at the moment it no longer requires 9 votes to dissolve. It is just 75 percent of the voting members. It would 6 right now. If AFA and UNLV leave it would be down to 4. Once those 4 collect their dough all bets are off.

Rumors as collating around Texas State, UTEP and SAC State as possible adds now. They will become voting members once they sign the dotted line..They certainly would not vote to dissolve a conference they just joined.

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Originally Posted by Twentysix

Basically 0% chance the mwc ceases to exist.

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While I tend to be a “never say never” type of person, I agree.

In MWC’s worst case doomsday scenario, they just look like PAC-2 did and rebuild from there. There is no incentive for whoever remains to shut down the conference and go Indy. They will absorb the entire Big Sky before that happens.

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- who stays and who goes? Won’t be known until the dust settles with PAC and AAC. The bigger conferences make their moves and then it filters down.

- what will MWC conference media payout be? Hard to say, will be less than before, but depends on who they add.

- Will NDSU join? I hope and think so. Our odds are better than they’ve ever been. We should hope for the Montanas and NDSU/SDSU joining as a block. It would be good for us to have some nearby rivals and take the top of FCS with us.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I would agree..I think the MW will carry on. However, at the moment it no longer requires 9 votes to dissolve. It is just 75 percent of the voting members. It would 6 right now. If AFA and UNLV leave it would be down to 4. Once those 4 collect their dough all bets are off.

Rumors as collating around Texas State, UTEP and SAC State as possible adds now. They will become voting members once they sign the dotted line..They certainly would not vote to dissolve a conference they just joined.

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Explain why Texas State would leave the SBC for a rebuilt MWC? If what likely happens does, and Memphis and Tulane, possibly UTSA leave the AAC for the new PAC, Texas State will be on the phone calling the AAC. Some comments and "rumors" out there are hilarious. Like the MWC "personality" who said NMSU would be a great add and better than either Dakota school because they are "more valuable". The Las Cruces TV market is much smaller than Sioux Falls and Fargo, and both SDSU and NDSU have statewide audiences and NW and SW Minnesota. Of course, the same person thinks Tarleton State would be a great add along with Sam Houston. MWC will end up being CUSA 2.0 if they choose poorly this time.

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Originally Posted by jacksfan29!

Explain why Texas State would leave the SBC for a rebuilt MWC? If what likely happens does, and Memphis and Tulane, possibly UTSA leave the AAC for the new PAC, Texas State will be on the phone calling the AAC. Some comments and "rumors" out there are hilarious. Like the MWC "personality" who said NMSU would be a great add and better than either Dakota school because they are "more valuable". The Las Cruces TV market is much smaller than Sioux Falls and Fargo, and both SDSU and NDSU have statewide audiences and NW and SW Minnesota. Of course, the same person thinks Tarleton State would be a great add along with Sam Houston. MWC will end up being CUSA 2.0 if they choose poorly this time.

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IME, mwc fans delusionally overvalue their conference. It's a great place for the xdsu's to go, but it's not a great option for anyone who is already fbs, except for the cusa schools.

This was already the case before the pac poached as well. Now its way worse.

Also, I think it is hard for many of them to believe that ndsu and sdsu have casual fan bases that are half a million people deep or more. And a lot of these other schools like shsu have a casual fan base of like 35,000-50,000. And most of their fan base is actually a Tamu or UT fan first and foremost.

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

I would point out the media markets for Sioux Falls, SD and Fargo, ND are bigger than Missoula or Bozeman. (yes, still nothing compared to major metro areas.....) Granted, all are state and/or land grant universities, so all 4 have wide appeal in their states.

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Originally Posted by jacksfan29!

Explain why Texas State would leave the SBC for a rebuilt MWC? If what likely happens does, and Memphis and Tulane, possibly UTSA leave the AAC for the new PAC, Texas State will be on the phone calling the AAC. Some comments and "rumors" out there are hilarious. Like the MWC "personality" who said NMSU would be a great add and better than either Dakota school because they are "more valuable". The Las Cruces TV market is much smaller than Sioux Falls and Fargo, and both SDSU and NDSU have statewide audiences and NW and SW Minnesota. Of course, the same person thinks Tarleton State would be a great add along with Sam Houston. MWC will end up being CUSA 2.0 if they choose poorly this time.

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Everyone from the New York Times to Unnecessary Roughness think NDSU/SDSU would be the best additions. The only people who are opposed are the people Lakes has been trolling for a decade. Yeah add Tarlton (what state are they in?) when you can get 2 incredibly valuable programs.

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

Everyone from the New York Times to Unnecessary Roughness think NDSU/SDSU would be the best additions. The only people who are opposed are the people Lakes has been trolling for a decade. Yeah add Tarlton (what state are they in?) when you can get 2 incredibly valuable programs.

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The people arguing for tarelton misguidedly think it gives them the dfw tv market.

What they dont realize is that smu and tcu don't even give you the dfw tv market.

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Originally Posted by HerdBot

Everyone from the New York Times to Unnecessary Roughness think NDSU/SDSU would be the best additions. The only people who are opposed are the people Lakes has been trolling for a decade. Yeah add Tarlton (what state are they in?) when you can get 2 incredibly valuable programs.

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I forget...How many trips to Frisco has Tardton made?

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Originally Posted by jacksfan29!

Explain why Texas State would leave the SBC for a rebuilt MWC? If what likely happens does, and Memphis and Tulane, possibly UTSA leave the AAC for the new PAC, Texas State will be on the phone calling the AAC..

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Precisely, except I expect AAC to be the one calling Texas St.

Texas St has built some momentum recently, and is now one of the more desirable players available in Texas. I am sure MWC fans (and possibly conference leaders) want them, but that seems like a no go, unless MWC throws crazy money at them and they can’t refuse.

Odds of Texas St accepting an offer
Texas St -> MWC : 5-10% odds
Texas St -> AAC : 50%-60% odds
Texas St -> PAC : 90% odds (IF offered)

If PAC continues to get rejected by schools like Memphis, Tulane, and UTSA, I do think there is a world where Texas St and UNLV could be the last two PAC adds to get to 8. If that is offered there is a strong chance they take it.

I also think Texas St and Georgia St could be prime targets for AAC slots due to their respective markets. Uncertain if they move, because the money between SBC and new schools in AAC is a little closer than some are aware. AAC fallback plan after SBC targets would be CUSA schools.

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Originally Posted by Twentysix

The people arguing for tarelton misguidedly think it gives them the dfw tv market.

What they dont realize is that smu and tcu don't even give you the dfw tv market.

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Dude SMU doesn’t even give you the SMU market

Texas State does not have a large market at all. That was why the AAC passed on them last time. They are also only 60 miles from UTSA who certainly would not like to see them added.

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Originally Posted by MWC

Texas State does not have a large market at all. That was why the AAC passed on them last time. They are also only 60 miles from UTSA who certainly would not like to see them added.

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I’m curious how many casual football fans have seen NDSU play or know something about NDSU vs a school like UTSA?


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