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http://rivals.yahoo.com/minnesotapre...-Jackson-97294
Looks like Fred Jackson has picked up a few more offers...unfortunately they're closer to home for him which is where it sounded like he wants to be.
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Kicked it with Blow tonight, and I can assure you he isn't coming to NDSU.
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ISXBISON
Looks like he visited Rice this weekend. He does want something closer to home, so we'll see if he wants those smaller schools close to home or if he'd want to come here and make and impact!
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Also, getting back to the size of d-ends coming out of high school. Who cares how much they weigh. leif wasn't much more than 220, and he's a heck of a lot better than anybody we have right now. Was Dahl ever more than 230. Also, with Dahl, it didn't look as if he'd ever play, and ended up starting his sr season (sometimes patience pays off). We need a guy that has a motor who can get to the QB whether he weighs 210 or 250 coming out of high school.
I'm really excited about this class though. Seems we got the players we wanted, and won almost every recruiting battle with fcs teams. Unlike sdsu and und, most of our recruits are local (i mean upper midwest). Seems we have been getting burned the past couple of years by going too much into tx and such. Hopefully those other schools didn't learn from our mistakes.
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mgbison
I'm really excited about this class though. Seems we got the players we wanted, and won almost every recruiting battle with fcs teams. Unlike sdsu and und, most of our recruits are local (i mean upper midwest). Seems we have been getting burned the past couple of years by going too much into tx and such. Hopefully those other schools didn't learn from our mistakes.
Don't think our problems of the last few years have been pulling a recruit or two per year out of texas and such. I'd attribute it to coaching more than anything. We've been just as athletic and more physical than most of the teams we've played in the last five years. Including most of the FBS teams
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mgbison
Also, getting back to the size of d-ends coming out of high school. Who cares how much they weigh. leif wasn't much more than 220, and he's a heck of a lot better than anybody we have right now. Was Dahl ever more than 230. Also, with Dahl, it didn't look as if he'd ever play, and ended up starting his sr season (sometimes patience pays off). We need a guy that has a motor who can get to the QB whether he weighs 210 or 250 coming out of high school.
I'm really excited about this class though. Seems we got the players we wanted, and won almost every recruiting battle with fcs teams. Unlike sdsu and und, most of our recruits are local (i mean upper midwest). Seems we have been getting burned the past couple of years by going too much into tx and such. Hopefully those other schools didn't learn from our mistakes.
I prefer upper midwest kids, they seem to play alot more hard-nosed im gonna knock your head off football...where as the souther states seem to be about dancing around and looking good for their gf.s in the stands....now im not saying all players but up here u play outdoor games in the elements with alot of the games played...and it doesnt seem like the southern kids adapt well
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Grizzled
Don't think our problems of the last few years have been pulling a recruit or two per year out of texas and such. I'd attribute it to coaching more than anything. We've been just as athletic and more physical than most of the teams we've played in the last five years. Including most of the FBS teams
You might be right, I don't know if I agree though.
Attrition is an issue in my mind and many attribute some of the high attrition rates of some classes to recruiting in TX and such.
The last class with a high attrition rate was the 2008 class. Six of the 16 HS athletes are gone (38% attrition), most within a year of signing. Of those 6, two were from MN, one from WI, one from MI, one from ND and only one from TX.
So, the midwest guys don't always hang in there. Now, if the "coaching" that you are attributing the problems to is the lack of being able to identify kids who can stay, then you might be right.
Personally, I think Bohl's classes that have been of questionable quality have been due to high attrition rates, such as in the 2005 class that just graduated (37% attrition) and the 2006 class that will be Sr (38%). The 2008 class fall right in that same area of attrition and only Preston Evans has been a contributor (although Mohler could).
If you contrast that to what I think most of us would regard as Bohl's best recruiting class, his first one in 2004, there was only a 12% attrition rate. What I like about the 2009 class is that no one, to my knowledge, has left the team (quit or kicked off) and several have already contributed showing flashes of excellence (Jemison, Ollman, Bruhn, Sigers, Ojuri, Pierre).
So, coaching may be an issue, but to me it is about identifying a high percentage of athletes who want to stay and play. I don't think a constant turnover of student-athletes and coaches is a formula for success.
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BisonNeil
You might be right, I don't know if I agree though.
Attrition is an issue in my mind and many attribute some of the high attrition rates of some classes to recruiting in TX and such.
The last class with a high attrition rate was the 2008 class. Six of the 16 HS athletes are gone (38% attrition), most within a year of signing. Of those 6, two were from MN, one from WI, one from MI, one from ND and only one from TX.
So, the midwest guys don't always hang in there. Now, if the "coaching" that you are attributing the problems to is the lack of being able to identify kids who can stay, then you might be right.
Personally, I think Bohl's classes that have been of questionable quality have been due to high attrition rates, such as in the 2005 class that just graduated (37% attrition) and the 2006 class that will be Sr (38%). The 2008 class fall right in that same area of attrition and only Preston Evans has been a contributor (although Mohler could).
If you contrast that to what I think most of us would regard as Bohl's best recruiting class, his first one in 2004, there was only a 12% attrition rate. What I like about the 2009 class is that no one, to my knowledge, has left the team (quit or kicked off) and several have already contributed showing flashes of excellence (Jemison, Ollman, Bruhn, Sigers, Ojuri, Pierre).
So, coaching may be an issue, but to me it is about identifying a high percentage of athletes who want to stay and play. I don't think a constant turnover of student-athletes and coaches is a formula for success.
Well I'm sure coach Bohl would be very thankful if you drop your crystal ball off at his office before signing day so he can see which kids will stick around for the full 4-5 years. Thanks in advance for helping out the program.:D
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MontBison
Kicked it with Blow tonight, and I can assure you he isn't coming to NDSU.
What google image searched retrieves when you enter "kicked it with Blow"
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MontBison
Kicked it with Blow tonight, and I can assure you he isn't coming to NDSU.
you sound like the lakes of montana.....u should be named lakes griz
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BisonNeil
The last class with a high attrition rate was the 2008 class. Six of the 16 HS athletes are gone (38% attrition), most within a year of signing. Of those 6, two were from MN, one from WI, one from MI, one from ND and only one from TX.
I believe that 17 players came in this class with and only 5 have left. I wouldn't expect any more to leave.
I do like how all 21 from 09's year are still around though that we know of!
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Jdubs21
you sound like the lakes of montana.....u should be named lakes griz
First off FTG, and I suppose that did sound a bit like Lakes but I'm just passing along info. I made sure to tell him some good things about NDSU though so don't hate.
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TCBisonFan
I believe that 17 players came in this class with and only 5 have left.
Those no longer on the team from 2008 include:
McFarlane
Offerman
Manowske
Miller
Osborne
Wentz
So, technically it is 6/20 (30%), thanks for the correction.
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Wentz? He wasn't a scholarship recruit. Not that I remember anyway. I thought he was a walk on that was going to play both baseball and football. I have a hard time counting him against the numbers. By the way, I heard he is doing really well at baseball. Sounds like a great kid.
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Mr. Burgundy
Wentz? He wasn't a scholarship recruit. Not that I remember anyway. I thought he was a walk on that was going to play both baseball and football. I have a hard time counting him against the numbers. By the way, I heard he is doing really well at baseball. Sounds like a great kid.
Yeah, that's what I remember too. Wentz was going to walkon but during the summer decided to concentrate on baseball.
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Mr. Burgundy
Wentz? He wasn't a scholarship recruit. Not that I remember anyway. I thought he was a walk on that was going to play both baseball and football. I have a hard time counting him against the numbers. By the way, I heard he is doing really well at baseball. Sounds like a great kid.
Here's the press release with Wentz as a walk on.
North Dakota State Football Signs 17 Student-Athletes to National Letters of Intent
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5 out of 25. 25%. Not perfect, but not brutal either. The only kid I had a problem with was Hakeem Bourne McFarlane. (I was loving him when we got him). He had red flags prior to signing with us. He was trouble. Kicked off his HS basketball team.
Osborne is the one that hurt the most. Highly recruited Safety from Texas that chose us over some 1A schools and then left prior to being a 4 year starter. Was listed as starter at safety after his redshirt season.
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Hammersmith
It's interesting to note that he's listed as a QB on that release - Bohl recruited him to play ILB if I recall correctly.
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Mr. Burgundy
5 out of 25. 25%. Not perfect, but not brutal either.
Where do you get 5 of 25?
The 2008 class had 16 HS scholarship athletes, 1 JUCO and 4 preferred walk ons. That would be 21.
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my fault. not sure what I was doing.
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Mr. Burgundy
5 out of 25. 25%.
Not to kick a guy who's down, but isn't that 20%? ;)