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Originally Posted by daddy daycare
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If the shoe fits, its a duck.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Yeah it is hard when a national media member just spells it out like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
So this national guy just said, " ... geography ..."Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmantutters
I still say "build it" with a likeminded, regional consortium (western answer to the MAC).
History says you'll dominate that and get what y'all really desire (MWC).
GEOGRAPHY is a poor lazy excuse.
w a football only invite to MWC
San Diego State would fly to Fargo 1 time every other year for 1.5 extra hours (cuz they would be flying to Wyo or Colo st instead)
such laziness. it's 2022. big fucking deal
I don't think geography is a problem for the MW..If they want you they will invite you..
I don't think an invitation is in the mail today but could be down the road..
If you want football only then you would get a smaller percentage of the tv deal and be set up on a similar payment plan as Hawaii.
If you came in with all sports you would get a full share and not pay extra to house your football.
At this point in time, the MW has 12 football members and 11 Olympic sport members.
It is far far far more likely that the MW will invite a non football school than a football only school. 13 for football is awkward. 12 for basketball allows for two divisions.
Ironically, the MW is moving towards the elimination of divisions for football. At this time there is no move towards a 9 game conference schedule either. The conference is becoming more insular.
Even if schools leave, the league will not necessarily look to add..
There's no question that money and geography rule college sports. If the MWC came calling, the money better be piled up. Problem being, they haven't called, and they're in charge.
The bigger problem is, people like you and Larsen are against any FBS possibility no matter what. There has not been one single idea proposed that you have ever endorsed. You are the template for the FCS Forever crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
You're against MWC, MAC, CUSA and independent. It doesn't matter, you are against it. Maybe we should label you what you really are, FCS Troll.
You want it ALLQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Joaquin " El_Chapo" Guzman
Or
The King of Drains and Tunnels
False. I'm all for MWC or MAC if they call (which they won't because you know - uhhhh geogrophy). CUSA sucks, and I've said if they go G5 playoff system sure. Which is also just a pie in the sky talked about at bars. Come up with a solution that can actually happen - "troll".Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU1980
Really isn't that hard to figure out. And I'm so "FCS Forever" that I took the time to go to one regular season game last year. Yeah - it wasn't exciting. But neither is the sh*t CUSA and dumpster fire potential bowl game - which at this moment is the closest to reality and will do literally nothing to excite or grow the fan base.
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. MWC, MAC, and CUSA invites simply aren't happening no matter how much you fantasize about them. Independence is death. FCS Forever doesn't exist. You are one of very few people that can't comprehend we don't have what it takes to go FBS right now. You are not a supporter of NDSU, you're a supporter of your own vanity. Again, repeating a lie doesn't make it true.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU1980
yup. another year of easy fcs titles, decreased fanbase & summit sports that gets awful 1 bid ncaa seeds in every sport. meh
At least we support doing something to improve. You FCS Forever people are the ones who don't support NDSU. You have yet to come up with a single idea to move on. You're simply stuck in your same strawman scenarios. Give it a rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Oh wow, you truly are delusional. Yet another "Nuh uh, YOU are!" comeback. You can't accept that none of the FBS conferences want us so you create the FCS Forever strawman to blame instead, then say that fictional entity is a strawman. For someone that thinks it's so important you're incredibly ignorant about what it takes to be an FBS school. I'm very glad people like you have little to no actual influence on NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU1980
STRAWMAN ALERT!Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU1980
"You have yet to come up with a single idea to move on." That one made me laugh. It's the FBS January 1 bowl game dreamers like you who have proposed literally nothing that makes sense for NDSU.
Years and years of screaming FBS with literally nothing that is realistic.
Mountain West and MAC both make plenty of sense for NDSU, it's whether it makes sense for those conferences which has been the tough partQuote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Been hearing rumblings from people that would definitely know better that there's something in the works that will probably get announced this off-season. Nothing that I've heard has been concrete and definitive, but it sounds FBS and it's not CUSA. All has been "friend of a friend", but it's been multiple unrelated sources saying the same thing and I trust the people I'm hearing it from. All pointing towards an FBS move that would make people pretty happy.
Could just be smoke, and it could just be Matt Larsen ninja decoy flares, but I'm don't think so. Rest easy FBSers there may be hope
I do hope you are correct. If it happens, it would go a long way toward rehabiliting my view of the athletics administration. But there's been a lot of these bigfoot sightings that have not panned out, so I'm sceptical (though I don't blame you for being optimistic--you know the quality of your sources and they are pointing you toward hope). If such a move has been in the works, then I just can't fathom why it hasn't already been announced or at least intimated while DB is still here. If it is pushed off until the next president, there's not guarantee that the new president will get on board. That tells me that if something is in the works, it is at the early stages and a lot of hurdles still need navigating, including support of the new administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
They need to hurry up & hire Kansas Man from the Big 12 so he can start moving & shakin on this
a new president is the perfect person to push NDSU into FBS. succeed and he's a star.
fail and after 3 years he can move on, big deal.
MWC or MAC - I'm down with that. Never thought I'd say that about the MAC but here we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
At this point how much of your acceptance of the MAC is just from wanting us to shut up? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Oddly enough our points of view are pretty similar, I just let the zealots spew their stuff without wasting the breath to call them out
Yeah, who knows. The next 11 months for me is big "shit or get off the crapper" time. It would be one thing if he just came out and said "we're trying but no one wants us" or "we're trying and we like where our conversations are going". But to say "we're ready to think about it" isn't doing anything for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
The job is a lot more complicated than you me or anyone probably understands. Doesn't make it that much less frustrating though
After reading these threads for the past few years and especially this past year, I would agree that a majority of Bison fans would prefer to play an FBS schedule vs. FCS. However, the arguments center on how much to risk to achieve that. Some feel like it is worth risking a lot to get to FBS. These would be the zealots you speak of. Others feel like we shouldn't risk much at all because they don't perceive us being in a desperate situation. The reality is much like politics, it's a good thing we have a bit of both. My feeling is that more and more fans are moving their "risk threshold" higher and higher with each passing day and each school that leaves for the FBS. Getting left behind like we did in D2 has it's own risks and I think Bison fans are becoming more aware of those everyday. I tend to agree with your belief that something is brewing. Can't point to anything specific, just a general tone from Bison 1660, the local media, the athletic department staff, even the questions posed to the potential presidential candidates indicate that it is a topic of merit that will be addressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Yep, like all divisive issues, there's really a spectrum and everyone falls somewhere on that spectrum. It's not black/white FBS or FCS only. I agree that most people have been moving towards the FBS side of the spectrum.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Hell I used to think we should've gone CUSA when the S was hitting the fan four months ago. I've moved further away from that now that the dust is settling and I think there is actually a legit chance for us to get into a good conference.
I remember this. The good ol' days when you were 100% correct. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
The $hi+ is still on the fan, btw.
I don't honestly feel the MAC is that good of a product but either. See TV and stadiums full of bleachers. Tuesday night crap. etc. Run the table and there's a small shot at a decent bowl...at quick glance this year's bowl games were basically a joke too. But it is what it is...seems like a half assed fit geographically, not perfect of course. But if FBS is the deal I'd rather that than the new CUSA.....MWC is a stretch.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
There's something really ironic about going to the MAC. Geography isn't that bad, we'd be a great academic fit as a R1 Very High Research, BB is a manageable step up, definitely more stable overall than the Summit, and having an all-sports conference has advantages. We'd be by far the lowest enrollment in the conference but competitive in endowments and money overall.
The ironic part is it's at best a lateral move for football and possibly a step down. Tuesday MACtion sucks. The media deal is about equal to what we have now. MAC attendance is about equal or less to what we already do. The MAC would be an upgrade for nearly everything except football.
You guys aren't wrong. The Tuesday night football would kill me. Complete idiocy.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
The good news I think is that I agree that MAC would be a step sideways and I don't think it would take long to be in the conference driver's seat. Then things really get interesting, IMO.
And it would force us to play better basketball :)
In terms of quality of football, it'd probably be a wash. We'd beat up on most of the teams, but NIU and WMU would always play us tough, just as SDSU and UNI do. Not because of a sense of rivalry, but just because they are historically good football programs. But the best thing about the MAC (or any FBS conference, imo) is the ability to compete against OOC FBS teams. I think we make some money in that realm, draw in new fans, and solidify existing external interest in the program. I also think we regularly crack the top 25 and sometimes the top 15.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Like you said, basketball would be an upgrade. I think baseball might be decent too.
The MAC at very least would get us IN. Interpret that how ever you want.
When’s the last time a team from the mac moved to a better division?
MWC still looks like the best stepping stone.
Marshall and Temple were previously members off the top of my head. UCF was a football member as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
Utah is the only school who moved up from the MW to a P-5 conference.
TCU was in the Big East when they went to the B12
BYU has been an independent for more than 10 years..
The MW is not quite the stepping stone you believe it to be.
Marshall went to the CUSA. Not convinced that was a step up. Temple was only a football affiliate. No other full member has left since the 50s. MAC rivals the Big 10 for core member stability.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Better conferences don't need any more schools with directions or cities in their names. Besides, the MAC is made up of generally uninspiring institutions (otherwise, we would have been invited long ago). So, other than NIU, I'm not sure any current schools have ever sought to improve their situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
MAC might not have good football schools but they are outstanding research universities. Very well respected academically. We should be proud if they considered us a peer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
Bullshit bro we get into the mwc well be in the pac 10 within 3 years I’ve seen lakes 5 year plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Must be some good weed hitting Fargo these days..
i think you should turn the dial up on the sarcasm meter....Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
This is meth country thanks to Scotties Barn Meth(tm). Now 22% fentanyl free.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Or was it free fentanyl?
Bro?
So noted..I stand corrected.
Lol I'd suggest looking up the Conference USA Marshall joined, not the Conference USA of today.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Either way, its a moving goalpost. A ticket to FBS is a ticket to FBS.