A new and better FBS thread

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

Sounds like you need some CST time slots

Regarding hoops, I watched the CSU/Wyoming game, and I was impressed with the venue and atmosphere. NDSU seems to be a long way off from that, and I’m not sure what the problem is. Everything is just sort of blah with hoops right now. Not great. I have my own opinions as to why, but I’d rather not share them here. Hoping they can turn it around.

I understand the 12-team issue and needing a vacancy, but I honestly don’t get the aversion to FB-only additions. I guess I must be missing something since your view seems to be the consensus. FBS is really it’s own unique entity, so it puzzles me why it isn’t treated as such.

The MW tv deals are based upon 2 major factors..First and foremost is the availability of PST and MST time slots. Most of our football games are played at night. The second factor is eyeballs. Despite having some major markets, the tv viewership is not great. Not many people in the media saturated East have much interest in watching games that in many cases don't start until 10 PM. The expanded playoffs will not likely result in more tv money for the MW.

While, I do think your football program would do well in the MW, there are other factors at play here as well. Number 1, I don't think the MW will go past 12 members. To be sure, schools may leave creating an opening so the door is not closed. You are a viable candidate. However, a football only invitation is unlikely.

This brings up point 2. Over the last few years, the MW schools are spending big money and resources on basketball. The goal is to be the best basketball conference out west. Gonzaga explored joining the MW a couple years ago and it appears that there are ongoing discussions about that..If you were invited you would be expected to share in the basketball push.

Football will still be important but the P5 are big old nasty monsters and they are not good sharers..

It is better for the bottom line for the MW to have 4 or 5 schools make the big dance than a a major bowl game..

[MWC]

I don't know that there is an 'aversion' to football only. The MW has one..Not many schools seek football only invites but I do think there are conferences who would happily take you as football only member. Maybe even the MW but that would likely come with a healthy payment from you for football only..Hawaii pays a million bucks a year to MW schools to be football only. By the by they also have to pay the Big West to house their Olympic sports there. If NDSU thought that would be a viable expense to pay every year, perhaps they will approach the MW as a football only school.

[El_Chapo]

I want ALL of NDSU athletics at FBS level.

summit basketball sucks
volleyball, soccer, baseball , track all would vastly improve with better competition and recruiting better athletes

[56BISON73]

I want ALL of NDSU athletics at FBS level.

summit basketball sucks
volleyball, soccer, baseball , track all would vastly improve with better competition and recruiting better athletes

For somebody who only donates the minimum(50.00 a seat) you sure do demand a lot. Show a commitment besides your continual postings. Write the check!!!

[B.Schlossman Fan Club]

Sounds like you need some CST time slots

Regarding hoops, I watched the CSU/Wyoming game, and I was impressed with the venue and atmosphere. NDSU seems to be a long way off from that, and I’m not sure what the problem is. Everything is just sort of blah with hoops right now. Not great. I have my own opinions as to why, but I’d rather not share them here. Hoping they can turn it around.

I understand the 12-team issue and needing a vacancy, but I honestly don’t get the aversion to FB-only additions. I guess I must be missing something since your view seems to be the consensus. FBS is really it’s own unique entity, so it puzzles me why it isn’t treated as such.

Wyoming is tearing it up this year but if you rewind to last season you will see an empty dome . They were absolutely dog sheet last year plus their dome is nice but outdated.

[ByeSonBusiness]

Wyoming is tearing it up this year but if you rewind to last season you will see an empty dome . They were absolutely dog sheet last year plus their dome is nice but outdated.

Well half the time NDSU is good and the BSA is pretty empty.

Would be fun to play some MWC basketball.

[NDSU92]

Well half the time NDSU is good and the BSA is pretty empty.

Would be fun to play some MWC basketball.

I’d say about half of my desire to go Mountain West is for the non-football sports.

I have negative interest in watching any summit game against a non-Dakota school at this point.

[DORMIE]

Spot on, Paul. Been saying it for years. Sam is All Hat and No Cattle.
Last year I paid $1,967.00 for my 1 football ticket.

[daddy daycare]

I want ALL of NDSU athletics at FBS level.

summit basketball sucks
volleyball, soccer, baseball , track all would vastly improve with better competition and recruiting better athletes

You didn't need to use the "summit" in front of basketball sucks.

[daddy daycare]

Does NDSU make the jump to FBS over the next five years, and if so, which Group of 5 conference do they join? Assuming an expanded playoff happens sooner rather than later and they don’t garner interest from any P5 conferences (although I think they could win the Pac-12 next year if they were in the conference). — Scott C.

NDSU might be in the most precarious spot for conference realignment. The Bison already dominate FCS to the point where it’s almost boring, and now their top challengers are leaving for the FBS. It seems natural that they should just move up as well.

But the first thing about moving up to FBS from FCS is that a school needs to be invited to a conference, unless it’s Liberty and overflowing with cash. JMU, Sam Houston and Jacksonville State all got invitations. One issue is there isn’t a natural fit for NDSU among the G5 conferences. The MAC is probably the closest, but that’s adding a lot of travel to MAC schools that don’t have a lot of money. The Mountain West is already an airplane league, but it would add even more travel, especially for schools in California. The MWC chose not to add anybody in this past round of realignment in large part because its TV partners said they wouldn’t give the league any more money for expanding. And that’s the other issue for NDSU. The Bison likely don’t bring enough eyeballs to make an impact on TV deals.

NDSU athletic director Matt Larsen said last summer that the Bison were “well-positioned” if an FBS call was to come. NDSU moved up to Division II from Division I in 2004. That wasn’t long ago. The school, program and athletic department continue to grow.

Becoming an FBS independent like Liberty has been doesn’t feel like a smart move from a financial standpoint for NDSU, and the number of FBS independents is about to drop with Liberty and New Mexico State going to Conference USA. I don’t really know what NDSU should do, and I don’t really know if there’s anything it can do.

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Just basic common sense. When we use this around here we are called "small minded, FCS forever".