And even those "rules analysts" or "experts" can have an outdated or incorrect interpretation or understanding. Sport other than football, but there's one "rules expert" out there on a major network who is a retired official and it's painfully obvious that he quit staying current after his retirement and routinely provides incorrect information that's 5-10 years outdated and incorrect.
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Week 1 video. I haven't watched this version yet. There is a training version for us that often has a lot of the same plays.
https://youtu.be/yecgrxRd37k?si=uwjnmTMpawb_MXtf
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If the pass is caught behind the LOS then linemen can be way downfield, receivers can block downfield, etc. That's often why we have to huddle after plays or have late flags. One official may know the lineman was 5 yards downfield when the pass was released, but he has no idea where the pass was first touched. Another official knows where the pass is touched. They get together to share that information and determine if there is a foul.
Sometimes the first official will ask the second where the pass was touched, and the response is "shit, I don't remember." If nobody knows you aren't going to guess and flag it. You just have to take the downgrade if you are wrong. In most cases, the downgrade is bigger if you flag something the grader feels isn't a foul than if you don't flag something the grader feels should have been called.
More often than not, if I see something that may have been a foul, but I pass on it, I'm exonerated when I watch the video. That's why I generally err on the side of not flagging something unless I'm 100% certain. This is what it supervisors and graders want as well. Fewer flags are better for everyone involved in the game.
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The rules are very similar. The ENZ in these plays only exists for the linemen. In both cases, the ball has to be caught in or behind the NZ. The difference is 2 yards in HS and 3 yards in NCAA. And we have to use touching and not the spot of the catch because touching could be a tipped pass by either the offense or defense. In NCAA by philosophy, if the play was an apparent screen pass thrown to a back who is behind the NZ, but the pass is overthrown and falls incomplete, then disregard the IDP foul. Same if the passer throws the ball away outside the tackle box and beyond the NZ. The offense gains no advantage in either case so let them live with the down and no yardage.
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Thank you. Also one other point: On a scrimmage kick where the ball has crossed the NZ and has come to rest beyond the NZ (no touching by K or R), when should the BJ blow the ball dead? I'm asking if a BJ should blow it dead after a second or two (it has stopped rolling) or wait for some dickhead R team member to pick it up and start running?