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Yes, I might be naïve, but I think Sankey knows that the only thing that can bring them down is greed. What makes college sports entertaining is that the little guy has a shot. If you kill that, you kill interest. So it’s worth it to pay the G5 chump change to create a sense that everyone has a shot (see March Madness). And to the G5, that chump change is gold, way more than they could make if they split off with the top of FCS and had their own playoffs. If there’s anything universal, it’s $$$$, and the SEC will make boatloads of it just off the regular season, never mind multiple bids in the CFB playoff. My prediction is that FBS splits off, P5 stays at 5 (see hoops) and the playoff expands to 12, but we will see.
Sounds harsh, but if NDSU gets a shot, they should move up just for the $$$ and brand exposure. And FWIW, I don’t think ML would say what he just said publicly if he had any doubts about finances, which tells me that NDSU has their ducks in a row.
But hey, no invite, no problem. I’ll support the program either way, and for whatever reason, USD and UND will be very happy if we don’t move up.
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SamsRams
Man I hope you are right. I really really do, but moves like this are done in the darkness and led to mislead people. Oklahoma had every chance to inform the Big12 and their long time conference rival Oklahoma state about their impending move but they never did. It’s my opinion Sankey just dangled the carrot to keep people off their trail. They have the most powerful conference in all of sports and I’m sure in his mind they deserve 6 bids to the playoffs.
Yes it’s about the money, which is why they don’t want the G5. Honest question, do you think the TV contract would be less if it was a playoff that didn’t involve the G5? I don’t and if it’s all about money like we all agree then you should understand that without the G5 in the playoff, they don’t have to share any money with them. The pie would be bigger and less mouths to feed. It’s just seems so blatantly obvious to me, but again I really hope I am wrong.
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WhoRepsTheLurker
Yes, I might be naïve, but I think Sankey knows that the only thing that can bring them down is greed. What makes college sports entertaining is that the little guy has a shot. If you kill that, you kill interest. So it’s worth it to pay the G5 chump change to create a sense that everyone has a shot (see March Madness). And to the G5, that chump change is gold, way more than they could make if they split off with the top of FCS and had their own playoffs. If there’s anything universal, it’s $$$$, and the SEC will make boatloads of it just off the regular season, never mind multiple bids in the CFB playoff. My prediction is that FBS splits off, P5 stays at 5 (see hoops) and the playoff expands to 12, but we will see.
Sounds harsh, but if NDSU gets a shot, they should move up just for the $$$ and brand exposure. And FWIW, I don’t think ML would say what he just said publicly if he had any doubts about finances, which tells me that NDSU has their ducks in a row.
But hey, no invite, no problem. I’ll support the program either way, and for whatever reason, USD and UND will be very happy if we don’t move up.
When has the little guy had a shot at the national championship?
I 100% agree with your other two paragraphs.
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SamsRams
When has the little guy had a shot at the national championship?
I 100% agree with your other two paragraphs.
This Strawman doesn't fly with me.
Should Illinois, UNLV, Kansas, Colorado St all move down to FCS? because they have 0.00% chance of winning a Natl Title every year as well.
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El_Chapo
This Strawman doesn't fly with me.
Should Illinois, UNLV, Kansas, Colorado St all move down to FCS? because they have 0.00% chance of winning a Natl Title every year as well.
You honestly think if Illinois or Kansas go undefeated they wouldn’t get into the playoff? If so there is no point in having this convo with you. If CSU and UNLV go undefeated they have no chance to make the playoff. And when they are left behind by the power conferences they won’t have a choice.
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SamsRams
You honestly think if Illinois or Kansas go undefeated they wouldn’t get into the playoff? If so there is no point in having this convo with you. If CSU and UNLV go undefeated they have no chance to make the playoff. And when they are left behind by the power conferences they won’t have a choice.
Im just saying Ilinois Kansas NEVER will have a shot at the NATL title cuz they SUCK.
so in some people's eyes (not you) they should move down to FCS so they can win a title.
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El_Chapo
Im just saying Ilinois Kansas NEVER will have a shot at the NATL title cuz they SUCK.
so in some people's eyes (not you) they should move down to FCS so they can win a title.
Kansas was ranked like 2 in the country near the end of one season a decade ago. If a few plays broke the other way, they would have been playing for one.
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2007 under Mangino. They were ranked #2 in week 13, playing #3 Mizzou. They win that game, which they ended up losing by 8, they're undefeated and they're easily playing in the title game.
GTFO of here with your bullshit.
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El_Chapo
This Strawman doesn't fly with me.
Should Illinois, UNLV, Kansas, Colorado St all move down to FCS? because they have 0.00% chance of winning a Natl Title every year as well.
Lakes?!? HAvent you heard? Illinois is BEGGING to be FCS. Patty V is literally talking with the Gophers, Kansas, Nebraska, Illinois, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Wake forest, Syracuse, and at least 20 others who are absolutely f*cking BEGGING to be accepted to the Missouri Valley.
They want CHAMPIONSHIPS, baby! its all about those FCS titles! They've seen what Sam Houston was able to do this past year and they WANT. A. PIECE.
I just got the text, Major Missouri Valley expansion coming soon. those stupid FBS programs have realized that the FCS is where the action is. Theres just no $$$ in FBS, or media attention, or better recruits, or better anything, really.
Brian MacLaughlin's recruiting ratings prove it. JMU just landed the highest recruiting class in college football for what, the 8th year in a row? Literally everything is better in the FCS, and those G5 and even most P5 programs are starting to see the light
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SamsRams
You honestly think if Illinois or Kansas go undefeated they wouldn’t get into the playoff? If so there is no point in having this convo with you. If CSU and UNLV go undefeated they have no chance to make the playoff. And when they are left behind by the power conferences they won’t have a choice.
Yes they would. Don't start acting like el chapo now.
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SamsRams
You honestly think if Illinois or Kansas go undefeated they wouldn’t get into the playoff? If so there is no point in having this convo with you. If CSU and UNLV go undefeated they have no chance to make the playoff. And when they are left behind by the power conferences they won’t have a choice.
We've almost seen it happen before. Houston in 2016 may have been in had they not pissed their pants.
Coming off a big bowl win, they #3 OU to start the year. They proceeded to be ranked #6 before getting upset by Navy. They got boatraced by SMU a couple weeks later. They got things sorted out, and pounded #3 Louisville, before getting upset again by Memphis. Had they not shit the bed, they'd have been undefeated with two top 5 wins. I presume that would have been enough to get them in over Washington who was not undefeated, and did not have the same sort of marquee wins.
It's not impossible to do, it's just really really hard for the G5 schools. I think you need to be pretty good the year before (to get some decent preseason hype), and then you need to hope the P5's you schedule end up being very good (get recent playoff level teams on the schedule), and you need to not slip up along the way.
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Honestly I think there would be an argument against an undefeated Kansas. The Big XII is having a down year with Kansas left standing at the top of the heap. SEC champ, B1G champ, ACC and/or PAC 10 champ, and a one-loss SEC team (Georgia/LSU/Auburn/TAMU/etc.) all have stronger resumes in the eyes of the committee in the current 4 team model. I'd also think if Texas or Oklahoma were one-loss teams with their lone loss coming against Kansas that there would be the "outlier" argument.
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oldmantutters
Honestly I think there would be an argument against an undefeated Kansas. The Big XII is having a down year with Kansas left standing at the top of the heap. SEC champ, B1G champ, ACC and/or PAC 10 champ, and a one-loss SEC team (Georgia/LSU/Auburn/TAMU/etc.) all have stronger resumes in the eyes of the committee in the current 4 team model. I'd also think if Texas or Oklahoma were one-loss teams with their lone loss coming against Kansas that there would be the "outlier" argument.
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I think the point is though, that realistically, the mountains that programs like kansas, syracuse, illinois, rutgers, vanderbilt , wake forest etc. would have to climb to go undefeated are so insanely high that it will never statistically happen. Like winning the lottery, yes it is POSSIBLE, but it may as well be impossible because the chance is so miniscule.
Teams like Baylor, TCU OK State have all had their best seasons in school history and still have not made a playoff in those particular years. there is almost zero chance they could make a 4 team playoff- its really only possible/likely way they make it is in a 12 team playoff
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MankatoBison
I think the point is though, that realistically, the mountains that programs like kansas, syracuse, illinois, rutgers, vanderbilt , wake forest etc. would have to climb to go undefeated are so insanely high that it will never statistically happen. Like winning the lottery, yes it is POSSIBLE, but it may as well be impossible because the chance is so miniscule.
Teams like Baylor, TCU OK State have all had their best seasons in school history and still have not made a playoff in those particular years. there is almost zero chance they could make a 4 team playoff- its really only possible/likely way they make it is in a 12 team playoff
Back when I went to school and NDSU wasn’t “big timey” yet my buds and I all had our favorite FBS teams as well as NDSU. One guy didn’t have a team so we selected Vanderbilt for him and would excitedly proclaim the Vanderbilt scores for him and console him after looses etc.
One year saw that vegas had Vandy at 276,000:1 odds to win the SEC. was super tempted to place a bet but was before internet gambling was easy and had no clue how to place a bet like that anyway.
That season Jay Cutler tore it up for them and damn near won the thing. Damn near.
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MankatoBison
I think the point is though, that realistically, the mountains that programs like kansas, syracuse, illinois, rutgers, vanderbilt , wake forest etc. would have to climb to go undefeated are so insanely high that it will never statistically happen. Like winning the lottery, yes it is POSSIBLE, but it may as well be impossible because the chance is so miniscule.
Teams like Baylor, TCU OK State have all had their best seasons in school history and still have not made a playoff in those particular years. there is almost zero chance they could make a 4 team playoff- its really only possible/likely way they make it is in a 12 team playoff
TCU would have made a 4 team playoff from the Mountain West, granted that the MWC was much better then. OK State almost made the title game after losing to Iowa State, they absolutely would have made a 4 team playoff.
Stanford would have once been on this list of hopeless programs
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MankatoBison
I think the point is though, that realistically, the mountains that programs like kansas, syracuse, illinois, rutgers, vanderbilt , wake forest etc. would have to climb to go undefeated are so insanely high that it will never statistically happen. Like winning the lottery, yes it is POSSIBLE, but it may as well be impossible because the chance is so miniscule.
Teams like Baylor, TCU OK State have all had their best seasons in school history and still have not made a playoff in those particular years. there is almost zero chance they could make a 4 team playoff- its really only possible/likely way they make it is in a 12 team playoff
Kansas was literally 8 points away from an undefeated season less than 15 years ago.
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Gene Taylor with thoughts on P6 realignment. Says it's basically done for a few more years. Makes some good points. Probably not great news if you're hoping for something to shake loose for NDSU.
https://footballscoop.com/news/kansa...n-done-for-now
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“Nothing's going to happen this year, I'd be shocked,” Taylor told host John Kurtz. “Obviously, I don't think … I do have friends in other leagues and when I talk to those ADs that I'm close with, I'm hearing that they're not doing anything.”
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“We haven't solidified anything or headed down a certain direction,” Taylor said. “Just for now, there is time on our hands although people maybe sometimes don't believe that. Because the Grant of Rights has four more years left on that through 2024-25.
“The best thing for us is to stay together (as a conference) because if we start to fall apart, we lose the Grant of Rights and all the dollars that go along with that and doesn't put us in a good position.”
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“There's a lot of rumors, but look, the Big Ten doesn't need to add anybody. They're fine where they are. Their money is plenty where it is. The Pac-12 is probably one that has maybe right now the most challenging (path) because of TV revenue. The ACC has a Grant of Rights that goes through 2035. There's a lot of rumors out there that I don't think people know the difficulty of various situations in each of the conferences. I think we just have to understand there are going to be rumors and we have to stay true to each other and move forward together the best we can, the eight of us.”
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Hammersmith
He has some good level headed points but I guess I for one wasn't expecting any real changes in alignment for 2-3 years but that doesn't happen overnight. the conversations have started and the wheels are already turning. I believe changes in conference alignment will happen by 2024-2025.
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reformedUNDfan
TCU would have made a 4 team playoff from the Mountain West, granted that the MWC was much better then. OK State almost made the title game after losing to Iowa State, they absolutely would have made a 4 team playoff.
Stanford would have once been on this list of hopeless programs
Thats right! I was only looking as far back as the CFP has existed, but you are right I think a TCU team as well as Boise would have each made a 4 team playoff in the 2000s
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WeAreThePride
Kansas was literally 8 points away from an undefeated season less than 15 years ago.
Yup. but they werent undefeated. Just like TCU OkSt and Baylor werent which is why they didnt get in the playoff.
Kansas is literally the worst P5 team right now. It is POSSILBE they could surpass not only every team in the big 12 but every P5 Team, but I wont hold my breath. If you want to die on the hill of "Kansas, Illinois, Minnesota, rutgers, maryland, Kentucky, vandy, UCLA, Cal, Colorado, Nebraska, Michigan state, purdue, indiana, texas tech, ole miss, missippi state, NC State, South Carolina, Wazzou, oregon state, arizona and arizona state all have legitimate shots at the CFP and are on the CUSP of greatness", be my guest.
I'm arguing the statistical fact that most every single one of these schools has next to no shot at the CFP as it stands now.
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MankatoBison
Yup. but they werent undefeated. Just like TCU OkSt and Baylor werent which is why they didnt get in the playoff.
Kansas is literally the worst P5 team right now. It is POSSILBE they could surpass not only every team in the big 12 but every P5 Team, but I wont hold my breath. If you want to die on the hill of "Kansas, Illinois, Minnesota, rutgers, maryland, Kentucky, vandy, UCLA, Cal, Colorado, Nebraska, Michigan state, purdue, indiana, texas tech, ole miss, missippi state, NC State, South Carolina, Wazzou, oregon state, arizona and arizona state all have legitimate shots at the CFP and are on the CUSP of greatness", be my guest.
I'm arguing the statistical fact that most every single one of these schools has next to no shot at the CFP as it stands now.
Of course they don't have a shot at the CFP. They're bad at football. They're not getting in because they're no good, not because of systemic barriers or bias.
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I miss Chubs
Back when I went to school and NDSU wasn’t “big timey” yet my buds and I all had our favorite FBS teams as well as NDSU. One guy didn’t have a team so we selected Vanderbilt for him and would excitedly proclaim the Vanderbilt scores for him and console him after looses etc.
One year saw that vegas had Vandy at 276,000:1 odds to win the SEC. was super tempted to place a bet but was before internet gambling was easy and had no clue how to place a bet like that anyway.
That season Jay Cutler tore it up for them and damn near won the thing. Damn near.
So, had you placed a bet, you still would have lost.
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ThunderDan
So, had you placed a bet, you still would have lost.
You sell those bets back to the bookie when the odds start to get narrower. Buy for 276,000:1, near the end of the season maybe their odds become more like 40:1, the bookie will happily give you something like 100 times your original bet back in order to mitigate the risk of having to pay it out in full.
I pulled those numbers out of my ass, but the point stands. Mitigation is very common in long odds betting.
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WeAreThePride
You sell those bets back to the bookie when the odds start to get narrower. Buy for 276,000:1, near the end of the season maybe their odds become more like 40:1, the bookie will happily give you something like 100 times your original bet back in order to mitigate the risk of having to pay it out in full.
I pulled those numbers out of my ass, but the point stands. Mitigation is very common in long odds betting.
I remember when Rocket Mortgage did the billion dollar March Madness bracket contest where if anyone could fill out a perfect bracket they'd win a billion dollars. It was insured by Warren Buffet and he said that if someone was going into the 63rd game with a perfect bracket he would've offered them $100M to call it even. I'd guess if someone was getting close he probably would've made an offer before that as well.
The odds of even getting that far are astronomically small but I think if I had the option to take a guaranteed $100M vs a possible $1B (or $0) on a coin flip I'd take the $100M in a heartbeat.
Here's a story on it and the theoretical "Buffet buyout": https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/201...dollar-bracket
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Professor Chaos
I remember when Rocket Mortgage did the billion dollar March Madness bracket contest where if anyone could fill out a perfect bracket they'd win a billion dollars. It was insured by Warren Buffet and he said that if someone was going into the 63rd game with a perfect bracket he would've offered them $100M to call it even. I'd guess if someone was getting close he probably would've made an offer before that as well.
The odds of even getting that far are astronomically small but I think if I had the option to take a guaranteed $100M vs a possible $1B (or $0) on a coin flip I'd take the $100M in a heartbeat.
Here's a story on it and the theoretical "Buffet buyout":
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/201...dollar-bracket
I'd take the 100 mil and yolo it on 0dte calls before I even paid the taxes.
Then I'd have..... at least 6 billion.
Then that old fuck would have to give me the title of Oracle of Omaha.
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Professor Chaos
I remember when Rocket Mortgage did the billion dollar March Madness bracket contest where if anyone could fill out a perfect bracket they'd win a billion dollars. It was insured by Warren Buffet and he said that if someone was going into the 63rd game with a perfect bracket he would've offered them $100M to call it even. I'd guess if someone was getting close he probably would've made an offer before that as well.
The odds of even getting that far are astronomically small but I think if I had the option to take a guaranteed $100M vs a possible $1B (or $0) on a coin flip I'd take the $100M in a heartbeat.
Here's a story on it and the theoretical "Buffet buyout":
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/201...dollar-bracket
Oh hell yes I would. A perfect bracket isn't impossible in the literal sense, but it's on the order of placing an envelope with the prize check inside a random building on the planet, and you correctly guessing not only the address of that building, but in which room it was placed, AND how far it is in inches from the nearest wall.
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ThunderDan
So, had you placed a bet, you still would have lost.
I think you meant loost
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WeAreThePride
Oh hell yes I would. A perfect bracket isn't impossible in the literal sense, but it's on the order of placing an envelope with the prize check inside a random building on the planet, and you correctly guessing not only the address of that building, but in which room it was placed, AND how far it is in inches from the nearest wall.
Correct! basically the exact odds of Kansas making a 4 team CFP
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WeAreThePride
Of course they don't have a shot at the CFP. They're bad at football. They're not getting in because they're no good, not because of systemic barriers or bias.
100% agree. I never argued that bias is what is keeping them back haha, just that they suck
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MankatoBison
100% agree. I never argued that bias is what is keeping them back haha, just that they suck
I misunderstood you. Almost always when people say "Kansas/Illinois have zero shot at a championship" they're whinging about how the playoff needs to expand to approximately 1024 spots.
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WeAreThePride
I misunderstood you. Almost always when people say "Kansas/Illinois have zero shot at a championship" they're whinging about how the playoff needs to expand to approximately 1024 spots.
No we're totally on the same page- If kansas or illinois or vandy etc go undefeated, theyre in. That means they won the conference title game too!
I was just saying that there are a very large number of teams who realistically have 0.000003% chance of making a 4 team CFP because they're so irrelevant on the field
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is it against the law for a fargo media type to Ask Matt Entz about this in a Monday presser???
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El_Chapo
is it against the law for a fargo media type to Ask Matt Entz about this in a Monday presser???
You want to ask a coach about a divisional move during a game week presser? :facepalm:
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Bisonator98
You want to ask a coach about a divisional move during a game week presser? :facepalm:
of course he does...
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Thomas96
of course he does...
when else you gonna ask them? that's the only availability the media is given to entz (outside his 1 hour radio show on lapdog am)
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El_Chapo
when else you gonna ask them? that's the only availability the media is given to entz (outside his 1 hour radio show on lapdog am)
And while we are at it we could ask him about potential public works projects in Fargo...
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El_Chapo
when else you gonna ask them? that's the only availability the media is given to entz (outside his 1 hour radio show on lapdog am)
It's call letters are BISON. You can't be that dumb.
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They don't ask him because they know he isn't going to give them any kind of answer worth reporting on.
They did ask him on the coaches radio show and he gave a total non-answer.
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El_Chapo
is it against the law for a fargo media type to Ask Matt Entz about this in a Monday presser???
So when Entz blows off the question you'll have even more reason to bitch and complain? Makes sense.
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WeAreThePride
I misunderstood you. Almost always when people say "Kansas/Illinois have zero shot at a championship" they're whinging about how the playoff needs to expand to approximately 1024 spots.
In 2007 KU was a game away from playing OU in the Big XII championship game. They were 11-0 and ranked #2 in the BCS but lost to Missouri. Had they gone on to beat Missouri and OU they would have been a lock to play Ohio State for the Natty. A 10-2 LSU team got the invite instead and ending up crushing Ohio State.
K-State got even closer in 98 but melted down in the Big XII Championship game against Texas A&M after building a big lead . It was announced at the game that #3 UCLA had lost meaning #2 K-State was a lock to play for the Natty with a win. It was melt down city from that point.
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El_Chapo
is it against the law for a fargo media type to Ask Matt Entz about this in a Monday presser???
It’s not against any “law”, but asking that question in that setting belies common sense and intelligence, so I get where you are coming from.
