A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

Media people hound ML about thus topic when Cook is the one that needs to speak on it. That, said multiple sources refuted the rumor from earlier this week regarding finances being the issue.

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Yeah, pretty sure thats a load of crap, unless something changed.
Izzo said we can make a $42m budget work.

I think the issue is what others have said, we simply haven't had an invite thus far. It's possible that changes after all the FBS moves get finished.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Yeah, pretty sure thats a load of crap, unless something changed.
Izzo said we can make a $42m budget work.

I think the issue is what others have said, we simply haven't had an invite thus far. It's possible that changes after all the FBS moves get finished.

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What about SDSU? They’re an absolute must for a travel partner, no? If things are tight for us I can imagine where they’re at

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

What about SDSU? They’re an absolute must for a travel partner, no? If things are tight for us I can imagine where they’re at

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Haven’t looked into SDSU’s finances, but sure would suck if the Jacks are holding us back.

I have seen things suggesting the Montanas might not move due to budget.

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

https://csnbbs.com/thread-987326-page-4.html

‘Brown reports (paraphrasing)--There are schools who Want to go FBS (infers Northern twins), and FBS leagues who have shown interest--BUT making the "finances" work for both sides is a Problem that goes past the "bounds" of just the athletic department …’

Someone with closer ties to Xtra Points might be able to infer some insight. Sounds like media deal constraints or student fee issues

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It seems these media types simply assume too much when they lump NDSU in with other FCS programs. I don't think even someone like Brown who "reports" on a lot of moving and shaking with college football understands how different NDSU is than other top level FCS schools/programs.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Izzo said we can make a $42m budget work.

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When did Izzo and McF become VP Finance and Comptroller of NDSU?

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

When did Izzo and McF become VP Finance and Comptroller of NDSU?

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I think it was around the same time you did

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

Haven’t looked into SDSU’s finances, but sure would suck if the Jacks are holding us back.

I have seen things suggesting the Montanas might not move due to budget.

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SDSU would have to trim; they're running 20 DI sports. Not sustainable.
The Montanas are running 15 each and min is 16; they'd have to add (likely womens) sport.
Of the three only MSU is at $6M scholarship dollars (min).
NDSU is also under the $6M annual minimum. Add'l FB (63->85) plus 22 for women (balance) would get it close.

UND is 17 sports and over $6M.

Data source: https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/aad40220

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I think it was around the same time you did

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I can find Old Main. Can they? ;)

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

When did Izzo and McF become VP Finance and Comptroller of NDSU?

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They both reported they have been told by NDSU the money is not a problem.

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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka

SDSU would have to trim; they're running 20 DI sports. Not sustainable.
The Montanas are running 15 each and min is 16; they'd have to add (likely womens) sport.
Of the three only MSU is at $6M scholarship dollars (min).
NDSU is also under the $5M annual minimum. Add'l FB (63->85) plus 22 for women (balance) would get it close.

UND is 17 sports and over $6M.

Data source: https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/aad40220

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SDSU is so over the top in how many sports that have. I'd think they'd see the light if they had the opportunity though. With that said, the optics won't be great.

Keep in mind that SDSU is probably just for the first time tasting bigger money. Folks attitudes are starting to change down here and more money is coming.

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Originally Posted by NI4NI

Right now plans for our game time with SDSU are in limbo because we are at the mercy of the whims of disney. This will be commonplace once we go FBS. This will complicate lodging reservations and choosing flights for the fans. A good problem to have, but certainly an annoying reality of nationally televised games.

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I dealt with this last weekend. Went to Madison to visit a buddy and catch the game. It was inconvenient to not know.

But such is life.

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Originally Posted by NI4NI

Right now plans for our game time with SDSU are in limbo because we are at the mercy of the whims of disney. This will be commonplace once we go FBS. This will complicate lodging reservations and choosing flights for the fans. A good problem to have, but certainly an annoying reality of nationally televised games.

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Not really.

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Originally Posted by ndsubison1

Not really.

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For example, all of the Bison remaining games already have scheduled start times
https://gobison.com/sports/football/schedule/2024

In contrast, Nebraska still has 5 games with start time yet to be determined
https://huskers.com/sports/football/schedule

That reality is the downside to national TV scheduling.

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Originally Posted by NI4NI

For example, all of the Bison remaining games already have scheduled start times
https://gobison.com/sports/football/schedule/2024

In contrast, Nebraska still has 5 games with start time yet to be determined
https://huskers.com/sports/football/schedule

That reality is the downside to national TV scheduling.

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As mentioned previously, not nearly as much an issue for MW or MAC teams. Picked two at random below to illustrate.

UNLV schedule: https://unlvrebels.com/sports/football/schedule/2024

WMU schedule:
https://wmubroncos.com/sports/football

This is largely a “problem” that affects schools for Saturday prime slots on ABC/ESPN platforms. MAC and MW don’t have that issue.

Sean Fredricks (sp?) former linebacker was on the pre-game show with Dom and Jeff and was pretty bullish on FBS seemed somewhat optimistic.

Sam Herder seemed somewhat optimistic on Bison 1660 this morning as well. Who knows?

For some reason, I'm still hopeful. Maybe wishful thinking, IDK.

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Originally Posted by Gully

Sean Fredricks (sp?) former linebacker was on the pre-game show with Dom and Jeff and was pretty bullish on FBS seemed somewhat optimistic.

Sam Herder seemed somewhat optimistic on Bison 1660 this morning as well. Who knows?

For some reason, I'm still hopeful. Maybe wishful thinking, IDK.

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I find it very hard to believe that someone who is a journalist for a living could know and keep a secret.

Its most likely your imagination. :(

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Originally Posted by Twentysix

I find it very hard to believe that someone who is a journalist for a living could know and keep a secret.

Its most likely your imagination. :(

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As much as it pains me to say this, I agree. Granted, those guys can hear credible rumbles, so hard to say.

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Originally Posted by Twentysix

I find it very hard to believe that someone who is a journalist for a living could know and keep a secret.

Its most likely your imagination. :(

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Journalists know all sorts of things that don't get reported

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Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan

Journalists know all sorts of things that don't get reported

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It’s a little trickier than that though, isn’t it? They “know” certain things that certain sources have said to them, some on the record, some off… the journalistic choice in what to report isn’t always black and white and the standard is different from journalist to journalist.

Personally I’ll have a hard time believing a move is going to happen until our AD or a conference official announces it.

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Originally Posted by heffray

It’s a little trickier than that though, isn’t it? They “know” certain things that certain sources have said to them, some on the record, some off… the journalistic choice in what to report isn’t always black and white and the standard is different from journalist to journalist.

Personally I’ll have a hard time believing a move is going to happen until our AD or a conference official announces it.

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These types of things normally "leak" thru Tier 1 FBS reporters once discussions/talks get heated. I very much believe NDSU is interested and pursuing it. That doesn't mean any of the conferences have reciprocated with serious discussions yet. They probably won't consider FCS teams until the FBS teams finish their reshuffling first.

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Originally Posted by Gully

Sean Fredricks (sp?) former linebacker was on the pre-game show with Dom and Jeff and was pretty bullish on FBS seemed somewhat optimistic.

Sam Herder seemed somewhat optimistic on Bison 1660 this morning as well. Who knows?

For some reason, I'm still hopeful. Maybe wishful thinking, IDK.

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Sean is the last guy from Jamestown to play at NDSU. I think Tim Fletcher went the same year but transferred back home after a year or so.

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Originally Posted by heffray

It’s a little trickier than that though, isn’t it? They “know” certain things that certain sources have said to them, some on the record, some off… the journalistic choice in what to report isn’t always black and white and the standard is different from journalist to journalist.

Personally I’ll have a hard time believing a move is going to happen until our worthless lazy assed AD gets replaced .

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Fixed your post for you.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

These types of things normally "leak" thru Tier 1 FBS reporters once discussions/talks get heated. I very much believe NDSU is interested and pursuing it. That doesn't mean any of the conferences have reciprocated with serious discussions yet. They probably won't consider FCS teams until the FBS teams finish their reshuffling first.

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Agree that I think Matt is actually probably doing more than he says he is. I mentioned this before, but I’ve heard the local Forum writers say that he has people who are in contact with the right people but he isn’t “personally” in contact so he can maintain propriety with the MVFC. That seems totally reasonable and makes sense to me.

My earlier post is more to your final point, that it matters more what G5 conferences are doing than what Matt is doing. I’ll believe it when I hear it from either Matt or a conference official, but until then, it will remain speculation.

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Originally Posted by NDSU1980

Fixed your post for you.

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Yeah I’m not a big fan of Matt either, fwiw. He had big shoes to fill, though…

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Originally Posted by heffray

Yeah I’m not a big fan of Matt either, fwiw. He had big shoes to fill, though…

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Which Matt? ;)

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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos

Which Matt? ;)

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I’m on a first name basis with him. Got a good vibe goin’…

Love how much kstate runs delta.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Love how much kstate runs delta.

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Run it till they stop it….

Who is this fellow McFeely?

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Originally Posted by MWC

Who is this fellow McFeely?

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He's a local columnist for the Fargo Forum. He's had a dream of NDSU to FBS for a long time and keeps tabs on what is going on in the realignment game. His articles are often tongue and cheek and this one is no different.

On one hand he wants the MWC (or MAC for that matter) to see what we have going on at NDSU but on the other hand he knows that his article will make no difference and he's writing it for clicks and discussion.

If you're free at 7pm central on saturday flip on over to ESPN2 and watch the Bison and Jacks. I'm sure you'll be entertained by what you see and it might give you a feel for what the schools can bring to the table (regarldess of the outcome of the game).

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Originally Posted by MWC

Who is this fellow McFeely?

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He posts here as ECE8HE

Is he a journalist? Connected to the school? does he have any juice?

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Originally Posted by MWC

Is he a journalist? Connected to the school? does he have any juice?

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He is a journalist and has many connections at the school. Does what he says matter? Not really, but he has access to all the right people and i'm sure he hears things off the record.

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Originally Posted by NDSUguy

He is a journalist and has many connections at the school. Does what he says matter? Not really, but he has access to all the right people and i'm sure he hears things off the record.

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Essentially saying the MW is stupid to even consider NIU and Toledo seems like an odd way to get Gloria's attention..I do think NDSU has been vetted to some degree. Lots of schools are under consideration in lots of ways..My guess is they would like one more all sports member and call it good. However, Glory did reiterate this morning how important basketball is to the MW so maybe they try to add with that in mind. Football drives the bus but the MW is sitting on a pile of cash from basketball credits over the last 5 seasons. It is an excellent revenue source.

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Originally Posted by MWC

Essentially saying the MW is stupid to even consider NIU and Toledo seems like an odd way to get Gloria's attention..I do think NDSU has been vetted to some degree. Lots of schools are under consideration in lots of ways..My guess is they would like one more all sports member and call it good. However, Glory did reiterate this morning how important basketball is to the MW so maybe they try to add with that in mind. Football drives the bus but the MW is sitting on a pile of cash from basketball credits over the last 5 seasons. It is an excellent revenue source.

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The reports of Football only membership was a key point of Mike’s article.

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Originally Posted by heffray

The reports of Football only membership was a key point of Mike’s article.

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I understand the key point. I am certain the MW has explored many different options. This is early in the process. One of the ideas is to expand to 12 full members and have divisions. That could include NDSU. I don't think a random guy crapping on NIU and Toledo, or any of the possible adds is the way to proceed. I think your school needs to look for allies in the central time zone to provide a united front. Saying NIU and Toledo provides the same punch as an 87 year old with emphysema is arrogant and not at all accurate. They are very solid football programs. NIU has a road win against Notre Dame this season. Toledo beat Mississippi State at their place this season.

I don't know if the MW will add anyone but there is no rush to decide anything yet. They have 8 members, the money is coming. The tv deal is being negotiated right now. The distribution will not be less after the defectors leave. It might be more.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I understand the key point. I am certain the MW has explored many different options. This is early in the process. One of the ideas is to expand to 12 full members and have divisions. That could include NDSU. I don't think a random guy crapping on NIU and Toledo, or any of the possible adds is the way to proceed. I think your school needs to look for allies in the central time zone to provide a united front. Saying NIU and Toledo provides the same punch as an 87 year old with emphysema is arrogant and not at all accurate. They are very solid football programs. NIU has a road win against Notre Dame this season. Toledo beat Mississippi State at their place this season.

I don't know if the MW will add anyone but there is no rush to decide anything yet. They have 8 members, the money is coming. The tv deal is being negotiated right now. The distribution will not be less after the defectors leave. It might be more.

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It was a bit tongue in cheek and McFeely has no affiliation with NDSU. He’s pro NDSU to FBS and he’s not wrong (my opinion here) that NDSU has a better national brand (and probably better quality of football) than NIU and Toledo. There is nothing NDSU can do to stop a writer from writing an opinion piece like that. Not sure what negative impact it could possibly have on NDSU’s chances of getting an invite.

True enough no harm no foul. I was being more than a little tongue in cheek too. I am not at all gung ho about football only adds. NDSU would not be anywhere near the top of my personal list for add ons. I think you have a fine school and a fine program but I favor a smaller footprint.

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Originally Posted by MWC

True enough no harm no foul. I was being more than a little tongue in cheek too. I am not at all gung ho about football only adds. NDSU would not be anywhere near the top of my personal list for add ons. I think you have a fine school and a fine program but I favor a smaller footprint.

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Makes sense. Bigger footprint is the direction college football is heading, fwiw.

It does appear that is the plan with many conferences. It hasn't happened yet with the MW.