A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by MWC

I suspect CUSA will have openings soon. Maybe the MAC as well..

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Do you know why hawaii isnt a full member of the mwc?

Is that hawaiis choice or the mwc's choice?

I assume its that the mwc doesnt want hawaii in all sports. But I dont actually know. Flying a volleyball team to hawaii sounds like a budget nightmare.

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Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan

MAC would be a great home for NDSU, but I'd greatly prefer Mountain West even with the time zone issues.

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I’ve always thought the MAC as a better environmental cultural fit (Midwest) while the MW a better academic cultural fit (flag ship research institutions).

https://x.com/munzly/status/1839404501754929521

Memphis basically saying the money wasn't right, and they couldn't afford this move.

"The situation is fluid" means if PAC finds the money somehow, Memphis is still in play.
The point about Olympic sports means travel costs were a big concern.

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Originally Posted by Twentysix

Do you know why hawaii isnt a full member of the mwc?

Is that hawaiis choice or the mwc's choice?

I assume its that the mwc doesnt want hawaii in all sports. But I dont actually know. Flying a volleyball team to hawaii sounds like a budget nightmare.

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It was Hawaii's choice. Their trips to the Big West provided less costly and more convenient travel. Mostly flights into LA. They pay travel subsidies to both the Big West and the MW. It is my understanding that they will remain football only under the new agreement. Though they get a portion of the MW distribution and tv deal, they also have their own tv deal in Hawaii that pays quite well.

The MW needs to add at least 2 all sports members. Though they haven't done it before they may also add at least one oly sports only school to help with scheduling, particularly basketball.

I do not know if NDSU is in the conversation for the MW or Pac but I do think both conferences are looking east to fill the roster. I don't think the adds will be solely market size based. Unless, the MW and Pac work out some sort of deal to let the defectors leave after this season academic year (unlikely imho) new MW additions would not be coming on board for at least 2 years. The MW has begun negotiations for the next tv deal so I do think they will need to identify who is joining fairly soon. The GOR agreement runs through 2032.

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Originally Posted by MWC

It was Hawaii's choice. Their trips to the Big West provided less costly and more convenient travel. Mostly flights into LA. They pay travel subsidies to both the Big West and the MW. It is my understanding that they will remain football only under the new agreement. Though they get a portion of the MW distribution and tv deal, they also have their own tv deal in Hawaii that pays quite well.

The MW needs to add at least 2 all sports members. Though they haven't done it before they may also add at least one oly sports only school to help with scheduling, particularly basketball.

I do not know if NDSU is in the conversation for the MW or Pac but I do think both conferences are looking east to fill the roster. I don't think the adds will be solely market size based. Unless, the MW and Pac work out some sort of deal to let the defectors leave after this season academic year (unlikely imho) new MW additions would not be coming on board for at least 2 years. The MW has begun negotiations for the next tv deal so I do think they will need to identify who is joining fairly soon. The GOR agreement runs through 2032.

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You do know we are east of those conferences eh?

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Originally Posted by MWC

To be recognized as a conference you have to have 8 all sports members.

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Where is a source for all these conference 'benchmarks'?
Like number of sports, percentage of scholarship's etc?

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

Get in the door and let it slam shut behind you. Take ANY path to FBS at this point.

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Should have in 2013

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Originally Posted by heckler

Should have in 2013

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We got Brescani'd that dipshit literally did nothing but coast us along while gutting us on the academic side. Worst president in the history of the school.

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Originally Posted by NI4NI

Where is a source for all these conference 'benchmarks'?
Like number of sports, percentage of scholarship's etc?

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ncaa bylaws

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Originally Posted by scottietohottie

Death sentence for whoever ends up with Hawaii. That trip would suck. No thank you.

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Please tell me you are joking :rofl:

I'd imagine its possible to see them every year home or away if the MW has 8 or 9 members. If it goes bigger, then its probably on some rotation. But still would be a relatively frequent matchup. I'd like to take that trip.

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Originally Posted by scottietohottie

You do know we are east of those conferences eh?

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And way way way North, too

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Originally Posted by MWC

And way way way North, too

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You ever seen mt Rushmore from the north? Just butts.

Speaking of east and north. There is a report that the MW has reached out to Northern Illinois and Toledo.

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Originally Posted by MWC

Speaking of east and north. There is a report that the MW has reached out to Northern Illinois and Toledo.

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Don't talk to me about NDSUs geography problems at this point :sigh:

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Originally Posted by MWC

Speaking of east and north. There is a report that the MW has reached out to Northern Illinois and Toledo.

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Lol fuck off mountain west. At this point are they just scared of us or?

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

Don't talk to me about NDSUs geography problems at this point :sigh:

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I am not sure this report is accurate. The MW needs 2 all sports schools. Football only doesn't help much. Here is a little oddity..NIU and Nevada were both in the Big West together when it still had football back in 1993. College sports has always been a little weird.

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

Don't talk to me about NDSUs geography problems at this point :sigh:

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Exactly! This is all about the FBS vs. FCS label and the fact that NDSU’s leadership hasn’t done enough to elevate our status.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I am not sure this report is accurate. The MW needs 2 all sports schools. Football only doesn't help much. Here is a little oddity..NIU and Nevada were both in the Big West together when it still had football back in 1993. College sports has always been a little weird.

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Just give us a shot bro, we're a good time, promise :wink:

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

Don't talk to me about NDSUs geography problems at this point :sigh:

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Or the MW ability to judge a quality school.


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Originally Posted by EC8CH

Just give a shot bro, we're a good time, promise :wink:

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I don't do the deciding. I would say you have as much chance as anyone to be invited. I really have no idea how this will play out.

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

Don't talk to me about NDSUs geography problems at this point :sigh:

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Toledo is literally in the Eastern time zone, the MWC is going to stretch four time zones. But to go football only would mean putting other sports in a completely different conference as well because the MAC will tell them to hit the road. So you are going to park your other sports in the Horizon league just to play football across four times zones...doubt that is happening.

But we've got an east cost ad. That should count.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I don't do the deciding. I would say you have as much chance as anyone to be invited. I really have no idea how this will play out.

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It has been a shit show this week :rofl:

Fan experience though, you should be pulling for us... We're a good time.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

Toledo is literally in the Eastern time zone, the MWC is going to stretch four time zones. But to go football only would mean putting other sports in a completely different conference as well because the MAC will tell them to hit the road. So you are going to park your other sports in the Horizon league just to play football across four times zones...doubt that is happening.

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There is literally no benefit and all cost for all parties involved. There’s no way this is real lol

There’s a better chance that the MW pays Colorado State to come back from the PAC

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Originally Posted by scottietohottie

But we've got an east cost ad. That should count.

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I hope ML gets a MAAC invite. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. He’s sucked the life out of NDSU athletics.

Well I feel played, our admin is doing what they do best. Absolutely nothing.

I liked being in a conference with UTEP..I like the area around San Marcos..So I will say UTEP and TXST. But nobody is asking me..

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Originally Posted by MWC

Speaking of east and north. There is a report that the MW has reached out to Northern Illinois and Toledo.

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Rumor on a forum somewhere? This is a very odd one.
The idea being its the best FBS teams they can find to add?

At least it would make the MAC more open for business.


Edit - well holy shit, it might be real
https://x.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/...ad-997989.html

I saw it from Dennis Dodd of CBS..Pete Thamel of ESPN mentioned NIU as well.

So maybe this expands the MW footprint and is what gets us in the door.
We would no longer be an outlier.

All depends on what else MW has in mind.
The rumor says football only for those two, so must be more to come.

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Originally Posted by MWC

I saw it from Dennis Dodd of CBS..Pete Thamel of ESPN mentioned NIU as well.

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Football only:

https://footballscoop.com/news/mount...thern-illinois

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

So maybe this expands the MW footprint and is what gets us in the door.
We would no longer be an outlier.

All depends on what else MW has in mind.
The rumor says football only for those two, so must be more to come.

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Hopefully because it ain't Matt getting his foot in the door. Going to have to land in his lap and then just maybe. Maybe maybe maybe.

Texas St also confirmed in play for MW

https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1839475998733066663

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Originally Posted by MWC

I saw it from Dennis Dodd of CBS..Pete Thamel of ESPN mentioned NIU as well.

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Usually once Thamel posts something, its close to happening. Almost like an unofficial announcement intentionally leaked.

Harder to say this time with so many moving parts, and so many twists and battles.

What is the PAC doing? Trying to add UMass? Maybe I shouldn't be giving them any ideas.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

What is the PAC doing? Trying to add UMass? Maybe I shouldn't be giving them any ideas.

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PAC was already trying to reach out to Memphis, Tulane, and USF (Florida).
My guess is if AAC teams aren't in negotiations for more money, they could approach SBC teams.

PAC and MWC both look like they are willing to go coast to coast to grab the top teams they can.

Does this mean we're going to the MAC lol

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

PAC was already trying to reach out to Memphis, Tulane, and USF (Florida).
My guess is if AAC teams aren't in negotiations for more money, they could approach SBC.

PAC and MWC both look like they are willing to go coast to coast to grab the top teams they can.

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Not sure how much more money the PAC has to throw around, they are cutting the MWC a massive check and they don't really have a media deal to work with.

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Originally Posted by ndsubison1

Does this mean we're going to the MAC lol

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Add SDSU and I'd take it.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

Not sure how much more money the PAC has to throw around, they are cutting the MWC a massive check and they don't really have a media deal to work with.

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Thought it was ballpark $200-250m to start with. They aren't eager to spend it all of course, and will also be fighting MW to claw back some of the poaching fee money. But they probably have enough to grab somebody, if they decide they want them bad enough. Maybe a couple more.