Complete delusion. There are just as many SDSU fans in Canby, MN as there are NDSU fans in Hawley, MN. There are Gopher fans in both communities as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
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Complete delusion. There are just as many SDSU fans in Canby, MN as there are NDSU fans in Hawley, MN. There are Gopher fans in both communities as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I don't think there are many South Dakota State fans in Nevada. Same with NDSU..
If that helps with the debate at all.
"factual post" - Dude, your map purports to say "In this county, Team X has the most twitter support." That doesn't suggest there is a lack of fans of other teams. There is absolutely SDSU fans/alums across the river. You also made a claim I attended the UND - not remotely factual. I have never applied to, much less attended UND.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I could teach a class on how to use “eh” properly ehQuote:
Originally Posted by KSBisonFan
We hold the classes at teh barn eh
No eh detected eh
Dissecting the SDSU fan base in MN. That's a left turn I didn't expect this thread to take.
Conferences should be announcing some changes here in May. So hold onto your butts!Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Looks like NDSU football players have spoken: If NDSU won't go FBS, We Will. Thanks Stony Brook!!
Cox
Cofield
Cox
Noland
Sproles
Eubanks
Hayes
Pierce
Sigle
Gonnella
LOL, there are 3600+ players a year entering the portal. FBS teams average something like 27 each.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I'm not very good at math but it seems like that means a lot more have stayed lol. When the FBS announcement comes we're gonna need a new thread, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
College hockey: 60 teams; 26 person rosters; 1560 players.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
243 in the portal (16%).
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=876547355
This is the new normal.
It's horrible because it can destroy recruiting plans and screams of amateur free agency.
It's fabulous in that if someone doesn't want to be somewhere any longer for whatever reason they have a way out. (And that more often than not becomes addition by subtraction.)
lol chapo is counting Zeb as an FBS transfer.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Summit League Hockey? :irslow: :howdy:Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Yes that is laughable. Whatever it takes to push the narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Hot take: The nation, well ADs around the nation, knows we can ramp up our football program, but, our other sports are severely lacking. Either we keep the football program rolling and increase fees to support other sports, or, we divert money from football to other sports to be more successful. I don't like the former and the latter isn't a great option either, but it might be the best. Maybe football at FBS level is too expensive for a small population state with two major universities and many other public school's mouths to feed. Maybe the Dakotas in general will just have to accept, that, unless it's privately funded we can't have everything we want. I say this as an NDSU dropout who moved to Phoenix in 2003 and finished college at ASU, but even ASU with 10 times the students at the time, was going to cut some sports during the housing bust until private funds came in to save them. I just don't think that NDSU has the extensive alumni base to really support or fund the AD at the level needed.
well NDSU admin missed the boat. ol Stony just wants to ride it out here another 5 years so he can retire out east. pathetic what is happening before our eyes.
There was no boat.
You can replace "other sports" with "men's basketball" - no other sport outside of football really moves the needle when it comes to making a school desirable for conferences. I think NDSU has plenty of alumni support to support an FBS program - donor contributions right now are more than many G5 schools. The main problem is and always has been geography.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sun Bison
Geography is NOT. It's a f&*%king Plane Ride. we Fly to Western Ill Indiana Youngstown Missouri. Whats the difference flying to Colorado State, Boise, Nevada about another 30-60 minutes in a plane at the same price. stop that nonsense strawmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
The difference is no one wants to fly to Fargo. Its a desolate, cold, isolated town.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I kinda agree with Chapo here. Not that big a deal anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
It can be a big deal for some kids who want parents to be able to drive to their home games.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
Geography isn't a big deal when it comes to travel for football when you're chartering flights but no FBS conference is looking for football only members. Geography becomes a bigger deal when you're traveling for every other sport because they don't charter they fly commercial or bus. That means an extra connecting flight to get to Fargo and/or extra hours on a bus ride. There's also more to geography than just travel. TV/streaming markets in ND/western MN aren't going to move the needle for conferences who want additions to help them garner a better media rights deal. There's no recruiting benefit since ND and western MN aren't recruiting hotbeds for anyone outside of the local FCS schools and below. It's also not an easy or desirable location for your own fans to want to travel to and support your teams when they're on the road here.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
It's tough to make a case for how NDSU can help your conference enough to offset those limiting factors caused by geography given how much of an outlier they would be in any existing G5 conference.
A lot of that makes sense. But I disagree that “no one wants to go to Fargo” as a reason against a conference invite. MSP is not that far away and they have no issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
Minnesota is a founding member of the Big Ten. So naturally they don't have any issues with conference affiliation. But lets say they were not a founding member.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
It's one of the largest universities in the country. Its also in an air hub city with millions of people. Its also very good academically. Its the sole D1 school public school in the state. A school like Minnesota isn't going to have issues getting people to come play there.
Right, and they have accomplished all of that despite being in a geographically undesirable location. That’s all I’m saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
I don't know. Seems like they have a fair bit of trouble keeping the talent in their own backyard.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
I don’t disagree with your conclusion or the rest of your argument though. To me it comes down to markets. By that I don’t necessarily mean pure head count or TV sets or whatever. The issue with markets is that we’re in some sort of transition between that simple raw count situation and a pure engagement model. Not that we ever were or likely ever will be at one end of the spectrum or the other, but it’s shifting in the direction of engagement and that is creating uncertainty but also perhaps an opening for somewhere like NDSU where there wasn’t one before. Or not. It’s all up in the air.
There's no doubt geography is the main reason NDSU is still stuck in the FCS. App State...JMU...Coastal...even shitty SHSU. all have geography over NDSU and look at 'em now.
This is a fair point.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
I know what everyone means by “geography,” but I don’t think FBS conferences look at NDSU and say, “if only they were 3 hours further south on I94…” it’s more likely a combination of things on ByeSon’s list…
Apologies, I meant they can get teams to fly up to Minneapolis to play games regularly. Not referencing their (in)ability to keep in-state talent from playing elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Geography/travel is a particularly big deal in lower budget G5 conferences. If you look at the CUSA short list, it includes schools like SFA, EKU, and Tarleton now. The one thing they have in common is close geography to the other members. G5 schools want to minimize travel time and costs if they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
I think this may be less of an issue for us with MWC or possibly MAC.
The other big factor tends to be market, and whether or not a media company is willing to pony up more $$$ to have that school join the conference. That is huge in determining which G5 schools get the golden ticket to P5. Schools located in major metros like Houston, Cincinnati, and UCF have a big advantage there.
I agree I feel NDSU and their supporters could support a move to an FBS conference. The key question is if it's the best option for the programs. There are a number of factors making it difficult, but I agree at this point geography is by far #1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
These are all perfect examples of the role geography plays in the decisions of FBS G5 conferences in adding teams. I feel confident eventually something will happen that allows the Bison to make the move. Geography is not an absolute blocker, but it's a huge hurdle.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
I think this is a bigger factor for NDSU to consider conferences. All other things being equal this would help more with recruiting in the MAC compared to the MWC. They already recruit some in the MAC footprint. They do very little in the MWC. They could overcome that, but I think it would take longer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
I don't think being in Minneapolis would have a huge impact on the decision of conferences to invite the Bison. Minneapolis is still well out of the footprint of the G5 conferences. If NDSU was a bigger university and a candidate for the B1G this would have been much different journey.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
Ultimately a key factor specifically affecting the Bison is the two closest G5 conferences haven't added anyone in the past few years. If the MAC or MWC do add someone, I do expect NDSU will be near the top of their expansion list.
Another minor factor well down the list is officials. If the MWC adds NDSU, they will be sending their officials a long way to Fargo for all sports. If the MAC adds them, they will be using similar officials who already work/worked in the Summit or MVFC. Most officials are already paid extra to go to the Dakota schools because of the increased travel (officials pay for their own travel out of their game check). If they recruit any officials in the Fargo area for the MWC, they would be flying every week to their games. At least now they can occasionally drive to a Dakota school or UNI. If a Fargo official advances to the MAC, they are likely flying every week. They get a better game check so that helps. I don't believe there are any premiums in the MAC. I do know officials in the MVFC who have moved to Orlando and Spokane but continue to work in the MVFC. They fly every week but knew that going in. Some weeks they probably work for free after airfare and an extra hotel night.
if you're FBS you fly to watch your kids!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
this ain't Concordia FFS
Maybe it's the fact that you have to be invited by a conference,
not just beg to get in anything. Also you must add 22 full rides plus
cost of attendance ($3,400) plus the same for women and then
double all the salaries. Getting tougher to raise funds as many of your
go to people are getting older and have to be replaced by younger people
like Chapo. Only he hasn't raised a dime for the program, just complains.
Eh, the current older donors were the younger donors previously. It's the natural order of things. Raising funds is about selling a vision and getting fans/donors excited. Raising funds will continue to grow through fan/donor turnover provided that the fans/donors have something to get excited about. I don't believe it's any harder to raise funds now than it was 10, 20, 30 years ago. The funds necessary to make the move will be there if an invite comes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DORMIE
Oh so now only upper class families can watch their kids? No way my family could fly across the country to watch me play. geez youre a dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
If NDSU had everything U of M had, they would already be in the Big 10 or 12, and it would have nothing to do with their geographical location. That’s kinda the point I’m trying to make (and maybe I’m wrong). But if the Goophs are our case study, its all the other things that NDSU doesn’t have (that have nothing to do with geography) that are preventing a move up.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyBison
Why id UMN the comparison here? They have UW and Iowa in their backyard, and how many other schools less than a 10 hour drive? Northwestern, Michigan and State, Nebraska, Indiana off the top of my head? That's nothing compared to what NDSU is looking at for geography when they bounce.
Geography and money are the king, especially in NC$$ sports.
that's what COA & NIL is for, the parents can use that for plane tickets, maybe you're the dickQuote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
and Dormie. if NDSU isn't going FBS THIS year or NEXT the Bison Fatigue and empty seats will make your head spin.
NDSU has a LEGIT FREAKIN CHANCE AT A COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFF SPOT if they are in the MWC or AAC and they are the #1 Rated Conference...
think about that ....
This might be up their with the dumbest shit you've ever posted in this thread and that's saying something.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Cost of Attendance and NIL are for the kids. Not the parents.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo