It was needed. Regardless if we move up or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
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It was needed. Regardless if we move up or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
I'd be pretty happy with the AAC or MWC. AAC is paying out less to new members though, and their locations seem less ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Unlike Chapo, I believe if we make a move to FBS someday we will be in that conference at least 10 years. Maybe more. That's why I'm completely opposed to moving to a crap conference just for the label. The teams in the conference matter to me, because that is who we would play every single year.
I think that’s definitely debatable. You and CAS obviously believe the football program has earned this investment. That’s a fair point given the results of the FB program. Looking at it from more of a ROI perspective it doesn’t make near as much sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
The posters on here who believe they would totally wreck the MW from day 1 think the MW "is" a crappy conference. Why would you want to be in a crappy conference. In their eyes the MW is so crappy that the conference would never be the highest rated G5 ever.
Said 4 years, not "day 1". Why you lyin'?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
I used your "wreck" line but others here have said from Day 1..I understand that you folks have a lot of pride in your program..That part is cool..I don't really think anybody here "wants" to be in the MW because they respect or admire the conference in any way...You just want FBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
Sure it pisses you off that they haven't invited you ...yet. I understand that too. To see a conference that most here believe is beneath NDSU isn't jumping gleefully at the chance to add you has to be frustrating.
MW would be a good fit. Quality of football wise, definitely not a stretch for NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Were you to be invited I would welcome you being a good football program. I am unconvinced that it would be all that easy for you but I don't dispute that it is possible.
However, when I ask what NDSU has that the MW doesn't have you said "decent football." If you don't believe there is any decent football in the MW why bother? You don't want a step up in competition because you don't believe that MW football is a step up from the FCS conference you play in now.
You want the MW to be the hired backup band for your solo career..That just doesn't seem like a good reason to jump to a lesser conference just to get different initials..
Upping coaches pay to bring in better staff is huge in BBall.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
MW is much better than the MVFC, the bottom of the MVFC is absolute trash. That is the real difference between the two....WIU, Indiana State and Murray State are about as pud as it gets.
...on a Sunday.....Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
each week MWC would be battles & intriguing games!Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Would you say the top 5 of the conference you belong to is better than the top 5 of the MW? If you say the MVFC is better at the top then you are not seeking a step up in competition..You are not looking for a challenge. If you say they you are about the same in your conference, you are not looking for a step up in competition. I don't think any of you here want or expect a step up in competition. You don't "want" to be in the MW, specifically. You just want the initials.
When Nevada moved up 30 years ago the school absolutely wanted to play better teams to prove they belonged. It was an wonderful challenge to be such underdogs. You guys don't want that at all. You think you don't have anything to prove at all. You see yourself as the king already..
As the MWC stands right now if you want to go top 5 vs top 5, it is better as well but the difference isn't as big as the bottom 5 vs bottom 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
In football analytically it’s a slight step up but I think the confidence you see on this board is from the thought that additional scholarships would close that gap. For me and most the major step up in competition comes in the non football sports where we are also hitting our ceiling in the summit league.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
On top of that the branding and expose would be a major increase for our university.
In your opinion. In my opinion it is well worth it. Ive been told on this site for years that the kids need the new shit. Or they find another place to place to play. The bubble isnt a selling point or rercuiting tool. This new facility checks a lot of boxes.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Yes it does if the sole goal is to continue to dominate the FCS.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
AND if there is a move to FBS we arent playing catch up. More boxes being checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
It's extremely productive, as it keeps a lot of this crap out of other threads.Quote:
Originally Posted by gavin2126
In terms of football PF, yes we would have a nice one. I think the lack of basketball investment and success limits the invite we can get. Based on your previous comments, I think you’re skeptical of an FBS invite happening. So the PF was built for FCS football. I guess we’ll see if that is a sustainable business model. If the trend in attendance and engagement continues, I think it is a slow decline of the program. The PF does very little to reverse those trends.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
After all the championships the FB program deserved it. Its what drives the engine. The IPF has been built. Thats whats important. All the rest is speculative noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Let’s put it this way: How successful do you think Matt L. would be in an attempt to raise $50mil plus for the MBB program?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Big donors’ schedules would suddenly get busy/filled if they knew he was calling on them for that purpose.
Maybe Sanford Bwigs would have time, as they are allegedly there to help the less fortunate and sick.
So they threw 26 million at the shack. What was the ROI from the basketball programs?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
It makes perfect sense to keep backing the engine that drives the train.
Maybe you’re right. It might be a hard sell for donors.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
The PF isn’t likely going to raise the ceiling of the Football program. It’s not going to do anything to improve the BB programs and the rest of Oly sports don’t drive the AD budget. Its return is marginal given that in FCS we would be at or near the top even without it. No more tickets will be sold due to the PF and the FCS competition isn’t eliciting the same passion from the fanbase which drives other sources of revenue. But I guess we’ll see.
You know what they say about doing the same thing and expecting different results. We’ve squeezed all of the blood out of the FCS turnip.
I’d argue that coaching has been the biggest limiting factor for the BB programs. Seems like Jory is maybe got something going. Richman has no more upside than what we’ve seen. Continuing to invest in him doesn’t provide any real ROI either.
Investing more in the football train completely makes sense if the there was still upward trajectory and room to grow. I think that will be very difficult in FCS. What new revenue streams or fan growth is out there if we stay FCS?
An FBS move is coming. ML and the athletic department made an investment in MBB (the Shac) in hopes that it would move forward. Unfortunately, at least IMO, they made a mistake in thinking the current HC could lead that change. Gotta eat it for now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
If an FBS move comes in the next couple of years my criticism of the decision on the PF doesn’t exist because I believe they used it to leverage an invite. If it doesn’t come then criticism is warranted. I agree on the current HC. The most recent extension was lazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
It is built and it is an impressive facility. The decline in attendance and engagement over the past 5-7 years is not speculative noise, it is real. Now it’s about finding ways to mitigate the revenue loss from that decline. If an FBS move is made, I think there are new revenue streams that become available. If we stay FCS, new football revenue streams remain very limited. In that instance almost all new revenue opportunities are on the BB side. You and CAS are correct that the key to those BB revenue sources is reliant on the programs on court success. It will never grow without that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Careful, you are making sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
The latter part of his post is solid. Don’t have a lot of issues with balance/former.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honeybooboo
I’ll also posit this: Until and if the MBB program starts showing some real grit, toughness and determination, it will never get seriously strong monetary support. The program must start emulating the very people it seeks support from. It’s not there.
we've platuaed
we are losing kids to fbs in portal
we are losing recruits to fbs
we are losing excitement/attendance
we are losing national notoriety
it's way beyond time AND WITH THE G5 AUTOMATIC CFP BID NDSU HAS TO BE THERE!!!
That starts with a good coaching hire and not settling for average. That’s on the AD.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
I don’t disagree. Not sure the AD would disagree either, in private at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Totally agree, since DR took over I lost my interest in BBall. And the fact my knees are smashed into the back of the person in front of me at the SHACQuote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
I should have been more clear. If you keep hashing over the same talking points then its nothing more than speculative noise. Just like when lakes posts. Same shit just a different day. No matter how you reframe your points its still the same noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
I has season tickets for 2 years. I refused to drive 3 hours for the most uncomfortable seating experience just to watch sub par coaching and players be forced to do the weave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honeybooboo
Haven't ran the weave for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Maybe or maybe when everyone becomes apathetic you get the men’s BB program. I’ll continue to hash over the same points until meaningful change occurs. The beauty is that both our opinions are equally valid.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
We'd lose kids and recruits in FBS too. Everybody does.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
The excitement/attendance is a fair point. I don't really care about the notoriety. That wears off no matter what unless you are a football factory which NDSU never has and never will be.
Guess which schools/conferences are in the running for the NY6 access slot this year (soon to be CFP)?Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
AAC/MWC/SBC. So, if this is all about CFP bids, landing in one of those 3 is an absolute requirement.