This one would. Ain't no defense on the field for either one of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
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This one would. Ain't no defense on the field for either one of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
He makes a great point. Let's not drink the kooi aid for a second and try to be objective. Out of the 24 team field, you have 8 to 10 good quality teams. After NDSU wins their third straight national title then what???? Wait for the division to keep getting watered down?Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
After we win our third national title and having Bohl as our coach, IS the right time to move up. Bohl is the perfect coach to lead us to the next level.
And if that is what you want, and what Lakes wants, then be ready, willing and able to put your money where your mouths are. Personally, I get tired if people saying "the boosters should do this or that"!! I say, become a booster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
You may be one, and I am not singling u out, just using your post to make my point.
It's not as simple as just "moving up"!
Where is the money to do so gonna come from.
Last I heard even Lakes is not a TM. Wassup' with that?!
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The number of quality teams is going to vary from year to year. Its cyclical. We have not passed the test of time. To think we have mastered this division is very short sighted. But for some reason you seem bored with where we are and the teams we play? Why is 3 natties the magic number? If we dont win 3 does that mean we arent ready?Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
How is the division going to get watered down?
You have to be invited to move up. The Bigs need to settle it out before any determination can be made. We are not in charge of our own destiny. Too many stars need to align before a move can be considered.
By some chance the stars align where is the money going to come from? Just snap our fingers? Are you willing to write the check? Im not taking about 100.00. I am talking substantial money. Its going to be a serious commitment. You think only 2500 TM will be able to fund this move?
What conference are we going to? We certainly cant demanded a conference to take us because we are the mighty Bison. What about Title 9 concerns? There are many more issues than what I brought up Iam sure.
Winning 3 natties will not be the catalyst that makes NDSU move. The catalyst is something we have no control over. And the catalyst certainly isnt fans ego. Which is really nothing more than noise.
More importantly what is the benefit for NDSU in moving up? Whats the ROI? The reason I ask this is because if there is a move up the football team will become a very small piece of the puzzle in the over all picture. This means what does NDSU offer the conference as an institution of higher learning as a whole.
LOL at calling the MAC or MWC moving up...........big time LOL. Unless the Big 12 panics and gives NDSU an invite there is no moving up available. Or just wait 5 years for all of the MAC's and Sun Belt's and MWC's to come back to reality and move down to where they should be funding aka a level they can actually win a championship in
Agree with CAS and 56BISON73 wholeheartedly on this one.
Hola, "Hola" -- I live in Centennial, about a mile from Littleton...
Get a room and stay focused, we are trying to discuss NDSU moving up for the first time ever in a thread that has nothing to do with moving up. GET OVER YOURSELF!!Quote:
Originally Posted by bri-dog
All right, all right -- I'll try to stay off topic...Quote:
Originally Posted by SamsRams
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamsRams
Ahh, I get it!Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu2-Gmw7r_w
If ndsu moves up it will be because espn says it is time to move up. We are the new Boise state. Espn will drive a conference invite.
Then we will run into the money issues, title 9, and stadium size stuff. Anyone who thinks 20 additional scholarships doesn't really mean 60, is beyond delusional. Too late to break down why 60, but maybe tomorrow between turkey and pecan pie I'll do so.
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Amen. The power conferences look at the MAC and MWC the same way we look at the Pioneer, Patriot, and OVC. Possibly with even a more superior attitude. There is ZERO future there.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamsRams
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Originally Posted by SamsRams
You are mistaken. The MAC is a step up. Northern Illinois is set up for its second consecutive BCS Bowl appearance. The landscape of DI football has changed. $$$$$$$ will drive the four team playoff to eight, then eventually a 16 to a 20 team playoff. This will mean that every conference winner will be invited to the Big Dance.
IF the standard to win a national title was the standard to move up, then every BCS conference and team therein besides the SEC should move down. 8/12 teams in the Big Ten HAVE ZERO CHANCE TO EVER WIN A NATIONAL TITLE.
So is anyone other than NIU doing anything worth while in the MAC? No? Ok then. It's a step down.
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I would put the MAC on even keel with the MVC.
A chance at a national championship vs. $$$ and playing football on Tuesday Night. I'd rather stay FCS.
Things shake up a certain way, then I think it's worth entertaining.
It is fun to be a 'have' in fcs' which we would never be in 'fbs'.
Not trying to be the thread police (well... Okay, maybe I am a little bit), but I do enjoy reading this thread for the discussion around Sagarin ratings and statistics. There are several other threads that discuss a move to FBS, and you are free to start even more. But I, for one, would appreciate it if discussion in this thread stays focused on the titular topic.
Thanks for your consideration. :-)
P.S. Really, I just wanted to use "titular" in a sentence.
titular: (1) in name only: having a particular title, rank, or position, but not possessing the power or exercising the functions usually associated with it. I had to google it. I like things that start with tit.
As does Izzy who is now lying on the floor overdosed on turkey gravy and dressing while dreaming about the pole he acquired for the tailgate lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by 75NOVA
Sagarin gives him 87.78 odds on getting the pole to the Bison second round game. I can't find the odds for having the pole used.
(ok, brought it back to topic...)
Probably more accurate...:biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueBisonRock
Where is a 1 loss team in the MAC, or better yet 2 1 loss teams in the MAC. At some stupid .com bowl no one cares about other than the 2 teams playing and their fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
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Originally Posted by missingnumber7
Anyone have the TV ratings for the stupid.com bowls versus the FCS playoffs?
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I'm bored so I looked it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisonguy
Kent St. finished 2nd in the MAC and got a 1.3 for the GoDaddy bowl and played Arkansas St.
Championship game got a 0.7 rating.
A difference of about 800,000 people watching the games, which looks to be about the average difference between a night game and a day game, so in that case it's a wash since we don't control the time of the game.
And espn vs espn2 i believe.
Any sagarin gurus have sagarins lines on the 1st round games?
BisonAudit posted the probability of each team winning in post #877 (before a lot of the move to FBS talk).Quote:
Originally Posted by SamsRams
Thanks but looking for what sagarin would make the line not the probability of who will winQuote:
Originally Posted by thebootfitter
using the predictor and +3 for home team this is what I came up with, hopefully I am not way off
(Vegas line)
CCU 62.44 (-4)
Bethune 57.37
Fordham 58.77 (-6)
Sacred Heart 50.44
Butler 43.81
Tenn St 56.14 (-14.5)
SCSU 60.34 (-5)
Furman 51.37
SHSU 63.74 (-16)
SUU 47.80
UNH 62.96 (-16)
Lafayette 50.13
NAU 57.47 (-4)
SDSU 64.18
Jax St 60.82 (-2.5)
Samford 54.88
**looks like my last few lines are off. site I used is missing furman game and messed up the numbers after.
UN_ will hold us back from going FBS.
I did it way back in post 790.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamsRams
Why would they even have a say?Quote:
Originally Posted by gizmo
Here's the updated Sagarin numbers. No changes for NDSU and much of FCS. No surprise considering there were only 8 games played. In the top-25, Jacksonville State and Tennessee State were the big winners, while Bethune-Cookman and the Ivy League were the big losers. The Bison are a 32 point favorite vs. Furman(not counting bye week advantage).
Sagarin's Playoffs Round 2 Predictions
Sagarin FCS Predictor Top-25Code:Sagarin Predict Result Diff
26 North Dakota State 80.87
25 Kansas State 81.01 -3.74 3.00 6.74
NA Ferris State NA NA 46.00 NA
225 Delaware State 34.15 50.32 51.00 0.68
79 South Dakota State 65.45 11.82 20.00 8.18
85 Northern Iowa 64.64 19.83 1.00 -18.83
98 Missouri State 62.68 21.79 15.00 -6.79
96 Southern Illinois 62.91 14.36 21.00 6.64
199 Indiana State 40.08 37.19 46.00 8.81
123 Illinois State 58.04 26.43 18.00 -8.43
113 Youngstown State 59.48 17.79 18.00 0.21
164 South Dakota 48.81 35.66 42.00 6.34
150 Furman 52.83 31.64
158 Western Illinois 51.12
Total Diff: 3.55
Home 3.60
Sagarin Predictor Top-7 FCS ConferencesCode:1 26 North Dakota State
2 38 Eastern Illinois
3 68 SE Louisiana
4 74 Towson
5 79 South Dakota State
6 81 Villanova
7 85 Northern Iowa
8 89 William & Mary
9 92 Montana
10 93 Eastern Washington
11 96 Southern Illinois
12 98 Missouri State
13 99 New Hampshire
14 101 Jacksonville State
15 102 Sam Houston State
16 104 McNeese State
17 106 Coastal Carolina
18 110 Maine
19 111 Tennessee State
20 112 Harvard
21 113 Youngstown State
22 115 Liberty
23 118 Princeton
24 121 Cal Poly
25 123 Illinois State
Code:1. MVFC 59.71
2. Colonial 56.05
3. Ohio Valley 53.58
4. Southland 52.67
5. Southern 48.44
6. Ivy League 48.13
7. Big Sky 47.15
Sagarin picked 7 of the 8 games correctly, although the score differential predictions were all over the place. The only incorrect win/loss prediction was actually our play-in game. Sag predicted SC State to win instead of Furman. Here were the rounded predictions versus the actual results:
Code:Furman/SC State Beth-Cook/Coastal C
Sagarin: SC State by 10 Sagarin: Coastal by 6
Actual: Furman by 10 Actual: Coastal by 24
Lafayette/UNH SUU/SHSU
Sagarin: UNH by 14 Sagarin: SHSU by 17
Actual: UNH by 38 Actual: SHSU by 31
SDSU/NAU Samford/Jax St
Sagarin: SDSU by 6 Sagarin: Jax St by 7
Actual: SDSU by 19 Actual: Jax St by 41
Sac Heart/Fordham Tenn St/Butler
Sagarin: Fordham by 9 Sagarin: Tenn St by 12
Actual: Fordham by 10 Actual: Tenn St by 31
Here are the round 2 game predictions. Sag predicts four likely blowouts and four close games. Seeded teams favored to win in all cases even without bye week figured in, but the numbers are real close. I expect at least two seeds to fall on Saturday.
Code:1 NDSU 80.87 (31.64)
Furman 52.83
8 Montana 63.26 (5.93)
Coastal C 60.93
5 Maine 59.92 (1.40)
UNH 62.12
4 SELA 68.92 (10.83)
SHSU 61.69
3 EWU 63.26 (1.41)
SDSU 65.45
6 McNeese 61.32 (3.15)
Jax St 61.77
7 Towson 66.45 (15.35)
Fordham 54.70
2 EIU 77.75 (21.59)
Tenn St 59.76
Interesting how all EWU HAD a top 30 win in their pocket, and less losses than SDSU but would still be dogs on a neutral field.
So does EWU get 6 points rather than 3 for their fugly red field and incompetent booth replay guy?Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
Since I don't think EWU is that good (just like all of the Big Fluffy Conference) and will not go any further in playoffs after this game I will be pulling for SDSU to win. Same goes for SDSU though as I don't think they are good enough to win any more playoff games after this one.
LOL @ Big Fluffy SkyQuote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
EWU's win over OSU has lost some of it's luster with the Beavers' losing streak at the end of the year.
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Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
And they got how many teams in the playoffs? Seems legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatanka
I won't be surprised if they go 0-4 this playoff.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Team................... Round 2. Quarters. Semis. Final
#1 North Dakota State 99.4% 94.0% 84.7% 55.9%
Furman ---------------- 0.6% 0.1% 0.0% 0.0%
#8 Montana ---------- 73.7% 4.7% 1.7% 0.4%
Coastal Carolina ------ 26.3% 1.2% 0.4% 0.1%
#5 Maine ------------ 61.7% 14.6% 0.9% 0.2%
New Hampshire ------- 38.3% 10.9% 0.8% 0.2%
#4 SE Louisiana ----- 84.0% 67.8% 11.1% 3.8%
Sam Houston State ----16.0% 6.8% 0.4% 0.1%
#3 Eastern Washington - 61.7% 40.5% 6.5% 0.9%
South Dakota State --- 38.3% 19.6% 3.2% 0.6%
#6 McNeese State ---- 66.5% 26.3% 3.5% 0.4%
Jacksonville State ----- 33.5% 13.7% 1.5% 0.2%
#7 Towson ----------- 90.7% 14.5% 8.2% 1.6%
Fordham --------------- 9.3% 0.4% 0.1% 0.0%
#2 Eastern Illinois ---- 96.2% 84.2% 76.7% 35.7%
Tennessee State ------- 3.8% 1.0% 0.3% 0.0%
Wonder what SDSU bid - could they possibly have a quarterfinals home game???Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
A lot of people on BV think UNH will beat Maine again, but I don't. NH played at home when they beat Maine. Maine has not lost at home this year. Tough to beat a team twice in the same season in college football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
I also have a very strong gut feeling that Sam Houston will beat SELA for the same reason, tough to beat the same team twice. Plus, Bell is back and Flanders is relatively healthy. If the Bison can take care of the Paladins and the Griz the next two weeks, I fully expect to see Sammy one more time before this whole three-peat adventure is over.
BTW, don't know if this has been posted yet, but the Bison got a vote in the AP. Gophers got two. S#!t.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf...ll-ap/2013/15/