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Yep. Just looking at the physical built campus over the past 20 years, the impact of D1 athletics is pretty clear. And that doesn’t even start to measure the other impacts that have resulted from the move. Alumni engagement is much higher now than it was when I was in school.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Sure, but the fact is that every game you play in FBS is an FBS counter game. If you win it, you’re improving your standing towards the CFP. No matter how slim the chance might be to make the CFP, it is more than 0 which is what the chance is staying in FCS. The FCS Championship has lost its lustre for the fanbase. It might not be fair but it is real. If we had 2 championships in the last 11 years, and had yearly FBS games that we were competitive in I believe the excitement would still be there. For a lot of people a chance at the CFP is better than winning an FCS c championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Totally get that. That opportunity only really comes from MWC or MAC conferences.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
We won't realistically be getting an invite from the other 3 G5 conferences, and Notre Dame is the only Independent included in CFP contract.
Maps like this one show why we haven't moved yet
https://maxakaplan.com/2018/08/21/co...hine-learning/
NDSU is in a desert barren region of the country for FBS teams and conferences.
Take away Big Sky and MVFC, and there's barely football here at all.
Sure. That’s all true. None of that explains why more of an emphasis hasn’t been put on basketball or why we chose to spend 50 million on a football practice facility if there is no viable path to FBS. If everything you say is in fact true, then the decisions that have been made up to this point don’t make much logical sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I think the answer is obvious - we are trying to position ourselves to be ready when the door does eventually open.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
It is a fair debate whether we should be pouring more money into basketball instead, as quite a few conferences really value strong basketball.
If we were a regular in the NCAA tourney, that would be another thing in our favor for MAC or MWC.
Another plus for basketball is there really is no ceiling there ... division 1 is division 1, and we could win the whole thing this year with a good enough team. All it takes is 5-10 great players and a good coach. Takes a lot less to get there than football does, which is why there are so many cinderella stories.
Basketball investment is were the best return on investment lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Which is essentially why myself and many others are being critical of decisions that have been made by leadership. Building a 50 million practice facility doesn’t address really any of the obstacles that people have laid out here as to why we have a tough road to FBS. By building the practice facility they were putting their eggs in the football basket and in order for it to make sense it feels like they should be intent on getting to FBS quickly and by any means possible. If FBS was a long term path, then it feels like the practice facility should have been lower on the investment priority list. This is why I’m asking for them to share their conceptual vision. Because what they’ve done to date doesn’t completely match up. If we eventually get to FBS IN 15-20 years, a 15-20 year old practice facility doesn’t carry near as much weight for the program as it does when it is new.Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
I’ll also add, my criticism doesn’t lessen the accomplishment of raising 50 million dollars and designing and building a facility of that caliber. It’s remarkable and I believe is an indicator that NDSU athletics and the university has a much higher ceiling than where we are currently. My criticism centers around leadership using the investments wisely and in ways that best deliver the greatest bang for the buck.
I think indoor practice facilities are always a smart investment in cold weather parts of the country. Nevada has been trying to get one for years. It is not just the football team that benefits. It helps everybody.
We already have an indoor track facility and this facility is almost 100% football centric. We had a sports bubble over our soccer field. The bubble was aging and needed to be replaced but we could have replaced the bubble for probably less than 5 million. The facility is top notch but given the fact that we had numerous needs to invest in, it is a bit questionable to me. If an FBS conference said that if we built a practice facility we would get an invite, than great. That doesn’t seem to be the case. Our two biggest rivals, SDSU and UND recently built indoor track/football practice facilities. To me it feels like this was a bit of about one upping those rivals.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
That is fair...
For a lot of people a chance at the CFP is better than winning an FCS championship.
THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE.. this should be printed in big letters above David Cook/Matt Larsons offices
That's sorta where I'm at with it too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Hopefully any future funds raised are directed at basketball. Having a good basketball program (or the resources in place to be one) makes NDSU more attractive in some fashion
HC and basketball arena... Don't see increased spending in either area as likely though in the near term unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
I think the athletic department understands what the priorities are.
How long did it take to raise 25 million or whatever it was so renovate the basketball arena? How long did it take to raise 50 million for the IPF?
The money goes where the people with the money want it to go.
If donors REALLY want money to go to round ball they can donate there money to a fund where they can direct that money to the sport they are interested in.
Now that is visionary leadership.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Why dont you contact them and explain the error of their ways. Or are you just another message board mouth piece?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Seriously. They would love to here from you.
They’ve heard from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
I’m fairly certain that the SHAC renovation was $50 million as well. However it did take longer to raise that money than the IPF. Could have been because it was football specific or it could be because the SHAC fundraising was started prior to any real success in D1 because of the transition period, whereas the IPF fundraising was started after multiple FCS championships and NCAA tournament appearances.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Its a catch 22 situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
People want to back something that is successful, but it takes money to find that success.
A splash hire for a coach could help, but that takes money too.
To really make it happen would probably require using funds that aren't earmarked.
We should start with a stated goal to win the Summit every year, its not a power league.
Find a really good coach that will take a bonus heavy contract for NCAA wins.
I know people crap on MBB Richman and he's by far not perfect, but by results he's done great. Don't forget he's won the Summit autobid 4 times in his 9 years. He has 2 March Madness wins, and 2 of the losses were to Gonzaga and Duke. Didn't get a chance to see how we'd do after qualifying in 2020. Strictly by postseason results he's a great mid-major coach in a 1 bid league.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
head coach trust the process is the problem and now we gotta hear for 2 more years how we are young.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
couldn't win with 5th year seniors either
but GET NDSU OUT OF FCS BECAUSE OF TODAYS GAME!!
2300 fans. empty field behind our sidelines (was the F 150s even there?)
Winning a play-in game isn't a real tourney win.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
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Originally Posted by El_Chapo
There really isnt anything you like about NDSU is there? You constantly bitch about everything. Find another team-school to root for. NDSU doesnt need you.
NC Central was a 250 RPI.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
dam right I'll bitch about the basketball program
Still earns a unit worth $millions, and in the next game we gave #1 Duke all they could handle. Absolutely no reason to criticize Richman for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
But yet they will find that reason.
I can live with Richman as long as we give him the resources and hold him accountable to the expectations that come with those resources. Fund ourselves at the top of the Summit and continue to push for something closer to MVC funding. Right now we don’t really provide the resources for him to do anything more than he is, which makes it hard to criticize him for his performance because he’s basically done what can be expected. We need to raise the expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Lol wut, gave duke all they could handle. Bro I took some cute screen shots of the score too, but when Duke got real they crushed us at will.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Kennesaw st!! on ESPN + IN DOUBLE OT.. turn it on..
all 3400 fans in the crowd are holding FBS signs... sigh.
40k students and they are in Atlanta,Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Smack dab in the middle of cusa footprint also.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
If we were located there we'd be in the AAC by now.
It is what it is.
We can start by tearing down Dacotah and building a legit DI basketball centric arena with all the fan amenities we can possibly stuff into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
Coastal Carolina is 6-0 and on ESPN + NOW
Bingo......Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Cant sell out the arena we have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
God damn good for nothing round ball. Amirite?Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
And…nobody gives a shit. Awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Yeah I think the BSA project had its flaws but that's not stopping people from going.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
How many of those students, alumni or others are actually Kennesaw State fans and would watch one of their games if Georgia was playing at the same time? It's like saying KVLY should broadcast Dragons football since they are in the largest media market in North Dakota.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73