If Oregon state and Washington state don’t get into the big 12 then I really doubt NDSU’s chances of getting into the MWC. Would Boise or Co St be any better position to get into the big 12?
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If Oregon state and Washington state don’t get into the big 12 then I really doubt NDSU’s chances of getting into the MWC. Would Boise or Co St be any better position to get into the big 12?
PAC stays at 10 and we hope the Big12's expansion lust is real. Nothing happens until 2026, most likely, when MWC TV deal gets redone. But who really knows. I never see this coming when it happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
Like BigHorns never misses an opportunity to point out, MVFC isn't that bad, and NDSU is very well positioned within the MVFC. It's certainly better than CUSA, IMO ...
Looking forward to the season. Take a little anger out on the AZ Wildcats
We definitely want the pac 12 to lose a minimum of 2 more. Its the only way. That will get the Big 12 and Pac 12 fighting over Boise and Colorado State. I think the Big 12 wants them since they can try and kill the PAC12 or make their next TV deal less appealing. I think Boise would prefer to be aligned with the coastQuote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
I'd like to see us make a move to the right conference, for the right reasons. Not something stupid out of desperation, or even purely for some additional cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
It would be nice (but not necessary) to have some schools like Montana and SDSU involved. Just not at all motivated to see us "move up" and then be playing SHSU, JSU, and maybe SFA and Tarleton.
Why would the PAC 12 not offer Gonzaga like yesterday? Doesn't help football but you can't get much better for basketball
We're on the same wavelength bro. I was never into CUSA. Like I've said all along - and it's such a sad tune in some ways, given the reality of CFB today - the money will tell you if the move is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Other than basketball Gonzaga sucks. Low academics, enrollment, and endowment. Nevermind AAU or R1, Gonzaga isn't even listed by Carnegie.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
They dont want them to come in and dominateQuote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
If they are going to be academic snobs, they will dissolve. Do they have that luxury any more? Gonzaga is one of the best programs in the nation. They get good ratings too. Boise is mediocre academically tooQuote:
Originally Posted by taper
I've been thinking about this a lot lately. Let me preface by saying that I think NDSU should be playing in the 2nd tier of college football.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Let's say that CFP basically becomes a battle of the 2 mega conferences (SEC/B1G) and raids the best of the former P5 schools to join them, why would they EVER go out of conference for their "extra" games? They'd have zero need to if they both get to ~20 teams (which I don't really think is unrealistic).
Assuming that the bulk of the following teams end up in one of the 2 new power conferences, why would they schedule "down" a level ever?
Ohio State
Notre Dame
Michigan
Texas
Florida
Georgia
Michigan State
Texas A&M
Oregon
Alabama
Kentucky
North Carolina
Indiana
Baylor
Oklahoma
USC
Nebraska
Penn State
Tennessee
LSU
Miami
Florida State
Auburn
Georgia
Clemson
Minnesota
Washington
Pittsburgh
Georgia Tech
Virginia Tech
Miami
Colorado
Wisconsin
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Cincinnati
Iowa
Ole Miss
Oklahoma State
North Carolina
Arkansas
Iowa State
NC State
Wake Forest
etc....
There goes the lucrative cash cow of a G5 playing a P5. There goes the TV money and everything that goes with it. I think that would honestly hurt those teams that are already funding G5/P5 even more than those teams that are funding FCS. No doubt there will be a restructuring of G5 (or what we currently know as G5) but I think they will end up shedding a lot of dead weight programs and looking to replace them with schools more committed (and financially capable) of making a move to G5. As crazy as it sounds, the smart move might have been to stay FCS afterall. It sucks though, because (in my scenario) we'll just end up playing a lot of the same teams we've always played, along with a few "bigger" conference foes (whether that be the likes of Boise St or Central Michigan).
Again, I'm not saying that we shouldn't explore ALL options to remain 2nd tier, I just don't think that it will matter much if the move happens tomorrow or in 3 years and it might be a better financial move to wait.
I'm NOT an FCS forever guy, I was advocating a move to ANY G5 conference that would take us. I'm only posting this for talking points/fodder as NONE of us have a crystal ball to see where the big schools are heading
Hurry up.. shake the trees.. get NDSU into the B 12 if shit keeps imploding
If....When...that happens, NDSU will be in a G5 conference. The question then is, with who? And who else from the MVFC?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
I’ll never understand the “NDSU should play at the 2nd tier” stance. NDSU should play at the tier that best suits the athletic department. Generally, that would be the highest tier willing to take us. We’re a top 50 football program for the last decade and the other 49 have 22 more scholarships and millions more in budget due to better conference affiliation.
I’m realistic, but we need to puuuush to make up for the 30 years we stayed behind in D2 when we should’ve been IAA. I don’t want to see another 30 years of us hanging out in a league where we obviously don’t belong. Already 10 years into overstaying in FCS.
Our endowment and research profile are nuts now. We would be a an academic flag bearer for any conference outside the P5 and AAC. We are not a local university anymore. It’s okay to drop the aww shucks ND humility for a bit and really put on the full court press to ensure our seat at the table. We are a great university and any G5 conference would be better off having us.
Our consultant should be calling the G5 conferences and telling them that they may not need us now - but when shit hits the fan, here’s our number.
The Big XII will sort through options of the PAC, and the MWC, before looking beyond.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Whoever offers a sufficiently good FB product and isn’t hobbled by another sport like hoops or hockey. So right now, that’s NDSU, SDSU, and Mo StateQuote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
But let’s not get ahead of ourselves ...
The question of the day would seem to be is there anyone the PAC can take from G5 to improve their $$ deal, that Cal and Stanford would accept. My gut says no
SEC needs to start eating away at the ACC ...
I love how people take this as a given. If big changes happen and there is essentially 3 leagues, what makes you think that those left behind need to bring up anyone from the FCS? Let's say for example that the BIG, SEC and Big12 each have let's say 24 schools and they choose to go their own way.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
The remaining 60 or so FBS schools still exist. That is certainly a large enough group to have them create their own conferences and playoff system. Why do they need to merge with the best of the FCS? They will be looking to maximize any TV revenue possibilities and adding more schools (with small tv markets) doesn't help them.
This is the whole point behind the "Get to the FBS" crowd. Waiting for the perfect situation isn't going to happen so as a University we need to do what we can get get an invite --- any invite. As long as we are part of the FBS when this happens we everything will work itself out. If this happens and we are still in the FCS, well then we are asking a lot of favors from others to help pull us up....
They want to maximize TV revenue but wouldn't want NDSU? Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
The conferences will have TV deals that will not increase simply because more schools are added. The conferences will make decisions on whether adding a school will actually get them more revenue. If the school doesn't increase what they are paid they won't add the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
^This is the bottom line right here. Where do you suppose NDSU would fall on this list? I'm guessing they could easily compete with Wyoming, but that's just a guessQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-...s-efc03c689e50
There's not many in the MVFC that would bring eyeballs, IMO
Jumping to a conference like the current cusa or whatever conference just for an fbs label doesn’t add anything. In fact jumping at all until the dust settles makes no sense. NDSU will be perfectly fine and enticing once the P5 split is complete and the G5 starts to take shape. No doubt about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
ACC has a long term television contract in place that has lead to large exit fees and can only be changed if the ACC adds teams. They may need to do the poaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Not correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzled
The ACC GOR says conference additions must sign on to the existing GOR.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-950353-pos...ml#pid18306837
Why? In that scenario what changes between then and now that makes NDSU more appealing? We're still the same market with the same geographic issue and the same university.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
This. This. This. It cannot be clearer. A million times over. This.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Everything changes when the P5 splits. Nobody knows what the G5 will even look like. Perhaps the Montanas and SDSU wanna go then too? Any FBS conference that would even consider NDSU before the changes hit the fan will more than likely be raided and dust anyway. Too much uncertainty at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Split likely happens within the P5, IMO, with the remnants pulling up what they want from the G5 to make the 2nd level playoff. I don’t think they’ll be as generous to the "top of the FCS" as some are hoping … I also think it will take a while to shake outQuote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Yep. Montana and SDSU and whoever else constitutes the "top of FCS" should figure their business out on their own. The reasoning that the "top of FCS" gets to just move up because they're competitive with G5 is dumb. They haven't been invited yet because they fit 0 needs of any G5 conference, which includes us. That doesn't change just because the P5 took their ball and walked.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Similar to the past ~5 years, we should be working to get to FBS asap and if whatever conference we end up in thinks SDSU and/or Montana fit their needs we can add them at that time. Or we can come out and proactively pair with one of them similar to our transition to FCS. Not trying to make a move because we don't want to speak out of turn with those schools or because the future is murky is ridiculous and hyper-beta. Most FCS schools would be happy (or at least completely understand) if we openly pushed to leave.
I've understood the past "don't rock the boat and go public with FBS intentions" stance. In this environment, that stance no longer makes sense. It's musical chairs time now.
exactly! wait until the Power Conferences STOP the FCS money games? then we screwed (as is all of fcs)Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
OK. Name the FBS conference not named CUSA who's taking them on then. Desperation 101.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Right now the only G5 that may be considering/open to FCS members is the CUSA. While i'm not a huge fan of the schools in that conference, at the end of the day they can say that the are FBS and in the G5. Now, if a big change happens and there is a breakaway and the G5 starts to reorganized at least we'd be in the conversation. The G5 however would not need any more schools (as stated earlier). They can do whatever playoff system they like with their 60 or so teams. They will NOT need any FCS teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
In this scenario, NDSU would then be at a point of begging to try to get into the G5. At that point, I hope we're not turned down to forever be in the FCS.
People bitched and moaned about the Great West once upon a time. We made that work and ended up the kings of the best conference in the division.
Just do it again with the CUSA who cares? It's a temporary move to justify a better position. We have to pay our dues. This is how we do it.
Make it happen Lakes.
Food for thought:
I'd love to see head-to-head series today between the MAC and the MVFC.
Seeds/games would be based on final Massey Ratings (all DI CFB) from 2021, namely:
NDSU 42 vs CMU 82
SDSU 81 vs WMU 83
UNI 101 vs NIU 93
Mo St 105 vs Toledo 95
SIU 108 vs Miami 99
USD 111 vs Ball St 109
UND 119 vs Kent 113
YSU 145 vs EMU 118
Ill St 149 vs Buffalo 129
Ind St 160 vs Ohio 141
WIU 168 vs BGSU 151
Murray St 186 vs Akron 179
Murray State isn't MVFC quite yet, but I needed a 12th team.
The Sagarin ranking comparisons are similar (MVFC vs MAC):
NDSU 38 vs CMU 69
SDSU 71 vs WMU 72
UNI 99 vs Toledo 80
MO St 103 vs Miami 87
SIU 109 vs NIU 93
USD 117 vs Ball St 104
UND 119 vs EMU 107
YSU 143 vs Kent 108
Ill St 158 vs Buffalo 125
Ind St 169 vs Ohio 132
WIU 179 vs BGSU 153
Murray St 191 vs Akron 181
The MVFC right now is the "western MAC", without the FBS label (and revenues and expenses).
I see the opposite. When the split happens the NCAA will be in charge of the tournament. All these other G5 schools can claim they would have fan support when tournament time but NDSU has proven they do. NDSU brings in revenue for NCAA. So when the split happens the NCAA will let NDSU drive whatever train they want into the new tier. Wanna start a new conference NDSU. Go ahead. Wanna go independent, go ahead. Want us to pressure the MWC to let you join, we got this.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Just cause most of our fans are fat, ugly and desperate for attention it doesn’t mean the program has to act the same way. They have a vision that most of you refuse to see.
The masters of micromanagement will allow a school to set the mark? Call me doubtful.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamsRams
You may want to add delusional to the list of NDSU fan attributes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamsRams
Moving to the CUSA in it's current state is the desperation I refer too. SHSU is going to be no better off than NDSU when the shit hits the fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
You might be right, but that's because SHSU has so much further to climb. When the shit hits the fan, NDSU in the CUSA is better off than SHSU in the CUSA and better off than NDSU in FCS.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
But I also acknowledge the point is moot. We're not going to the CUSA. We missed that boat. It may well have been only a dinghy compared to most other FBS conferences, but we are sitting on a deflating inner tube right now.
^ Who the hell is this guy? Hey guy (I'll just call you "John", as in John Doe), with this "vision" that the program has, do you think they see their fan base as "fat, ugly, and desperate"?Quote:
Originally Posted by SamsRams
here we goooooo
https://twitter.com/CFBONFOX/status/...V5BpfPgTEebsww
Whaddya think chaps? Big 12 here we come?Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo