Travis Beck Pilloried in the Media

[kab1one]

I got the text

[CAS4127]

Breaking "newd"-->this ought to be interesting!!

[EndZoneQB]

Breaking "newd"-->this ought to be interesting!!

I was JUST going to make a joke about it. Bastid.

[bisonaudit]

I just assume that any misspelling is some newfangled internet meme thing that is hopelessly beyond my ever diminishing capacity to keep abreast of popular culture.

[MNLonghorn10]

just texted lakes...he actually seemed somber in his texts. definitely a different vibe

[TAILG8R]

So there will be nude breasts on bisonation?

[CAS4127]

I just assume that any misspelling is some newfangled internet meme thing that is hopelessly beyond my ever diminishing capacity to keep abreast of popular culture.

:confused::(:hide:

[CAS4127]

Dead serious: What is lakes' website address. He sent me a link awhile back, but I'll be damned if I can find it.

[HerdBot]

This reminds me of the speculation leading up to the Montana State buyout but I actually trust it will be accurate, just wish it was GOOD news

[jack power]

Dead serious: What is lakes' website address. He sent me a link awhile back, but I'll be damned if I can find it.
http://bisonation.serverforumhosting.com/football-f2.html

[HerdBot]

Dead serious: What is lakes' website address. He sent me a link awhile back, but I'll be damned if I can find it.

Http://www.BisoNation.com

[kab1one]

I meant breaking "news"


was sent by phone.

[MN_BISON]

Threads like this are such bullshit, if you know something, post it. If you don't want to post it, don't start some f'n thread about how you know something but can't share it.............. but hey everyone, I got the text.

[CAS4127]

Http://www.BisoNation.com

Found it by clicking on your sigline link--thanks tho!!

Whatever the news is, it can't be good. I'd provide my speculation, but it would be just that.

[bisonaudit]

Why is there a thread here announcing that somebody else maybe has a story that they're not sharing with anyone?

At least when Rob Port is wrong about something he's wrong first and it's about something (even if that something only exists in his imagination). Right now what ever our Mr. Look At Me thinks he has only exists in our imaginations.

[Bison 4 Life]

Why is there a thread here announcing that somebody else maybe has a story that they're not sharing with anyone?

At least when Rob Port is wrong about something he's wrong first and it's about something (even if that something only exists in his imagination). Right now what ever our Mr. Look At Me thinks he has only exists in our imaginations.

I know whatever it is, I'll believe it when I see it on www.bisonation.info

[BisonFan02]

I know whatever it is, I'll believe it when I see it on the NDSU Sports Block

FIFY

Ten char

[Professor Chaos]

Newdity on the interwebs?!?!? I can't believe that no one has thought of this before!

[TAILG8R]

Court records show Travis Beck of Munich, N.D., being charged with aggravated assault. It's a felony charge. Beck is a linebacker for NDSU. - McFeely

Twitter post here (https://twitter.com/MikeMcFeelyKFGO/status/344175199266164736)

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

Court records show Travis Beck of Munich, N.D., being charged with aggravated assault. It's a felony charge. Beck is a linebacker for NDSU. - McFeely

Twitter post here (https://twitter.com/MikeMcFeelyKFGO/status/344175199266164736)

So kicked off the team i presume?

[gumby013]

Beck is in the clink.

http://www.casscountynd.gov/county/depts/sheriff/divisions/corrections/Pages/Current_Inmate-Roster.aspx

[Bison"FANatic"]

This have anything to do with the t lot items and the person found in the theater building this AM?????

[MNLonghorn10]

Well becks done.

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[Bison"FANatic"]

He is also charged with resisting police officer a misdemeanor.

http://publicsearch.ndcourts.gov/Search.aspx?ID=100&NodeID=1%2c110%2c1118%2c1132%2c120%2c1203%2c1205%2 c1210%2c1225%2c1234%2c1235%2c1236%2c1238%2c1240%2c 1248%2c1250%2c210%2c2109%2c2146%2c2149%2c220%2c220 2%2c2211%2c2214%2c2216%2c2220%2c2223%2c2237%2c2239 %2c2241%2c2247%2c2252%2c310%2c3108%2c3115%2c3119%2 c3122%2c3124%2c3126%2c3128%2c3129%2c3130%2c3133%2c 3142%2c3143%2c320%2c3201%2c3204%2c3206%2c3213%2c32 17%2c3221%2c3244%2c3245%2c410%2c4107%2c4112%2c4127 %2c4131%2c4151%2c4153%2c9008%2c9036%2c9045%2c9019% 2c9018%2c9047%2c9108%2c9030%2c9051%2c900%2c9040%2c 9039%2c9009%2c9053%2c9002&NodeDesc=State+of+North+Dakota

[ndsubison1]

so whos the new starter at OLB?

[tony]

so whos the new starter at OLB?

Might want to wait before convicting him. This is America, after all.

Also, I updated the title to better represent reality.

[Bison 4 Life]

Might want to wait before hanging him.

Also, I updated the title to better represent reality.

Any felony is going to be hard to wiggle out from under. Especially the quick hook they gave Jemison.

[ndsubison1]

Might want to wait before convicting him. This is America, after all.

Also, I updated the title to better represent reality.

true. but this doesnt look like something he'll be able to come back from. regardless if he is innocent or not theres a chance he gets kicked off immediately. or maybe suspended indefinitely

[MNLonghorn10]

Any felony is going to be hard to wiggle out from under. Especially the quick hook they gave Jemison.

It's say his past speaks for itself.

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[tony]

Any felony is going to be hard to wiggle out from under. Especially the quick hook they gave Jemison.

Meh. He'll get his day in court. The only way he won't is if the charges are dropped.

[CAS4127]

so whos the new starter at OLB?

ET is my bet!!


Any felony is going to be hard to wiggle out from under. Especially the quick hook they gave Jemison.

Jemison's charge was a misdemeanor FYI. Also, hasn't Beck been in trouble before?! If so-->gonzo. I believe Beck had a chance to avoid this fight, but chose not to.

[runtheoption]

http://kfgo.com/news/articles/2013/jun/10/bison-football-player-charged/

[HoopsBison]

Maybe this will open a chance for Thorton...possible a true freshman.

Too bad for Beck, however it all went down sometimes just got be the bigger person and not put yourself in that situation.

[ndsubison1]

im sure fargo media is all over this right now since an ndsu player is in trouble

[bisonmike2]

Also, I updated the title to better represent reality.

Stop doing that. I was looking all over for the newdity. When someone mentions breaking newdity, I expect to see some tiddies.

[Bison"FANatic"]

So sort of related to this thread but I find it really quite funny.

Lakes posts on his messageboard early this AM that something happened blah blah blah blah.


Then when it breaks he posts "I tried to keep it under wraps....but tv/radio found it on public records searches."


HEEEEELLLLLLLLOOOOOOO if you tried to keep it under wraps why did you start a thread on it??????????????
You can't be the "look at me I know something" guy and also the person who has information but doesn't want put it out there as it may hurt someone.

[Bison 4 Life]

ET is my bet!!



Jemison's charge was a misdemeanor FYI. Also, hasn't Beck been in trouble before?! If so-->gonzo. I believe Beck had a chance to avoid this fight, but chose not to.

My thought was too brief. I meant the threshold for this kind of thing is very low.

[Bison 4 Life]

im sure fargo media is all over this right now since an ndsu player is in trouble

Should they not?

[NorthernBison]

Should have walked away. Can't defend somebody doing dumb things. What's the deal on the plaintiff listed? Is that the attorney representing the other party or was this "assault" against a person who just happens to be a lawyer?

[bisonmike2]

Should they not?

Agreed. One of the few times their coverage is probably warranted. Too bad they like to treat parking tickets and community service with the same level of attention as a felony arrest. No breaking news banner yet, probably because all the editors simultaneously jizzed their pants when then heard the news. They all had to go home and change before they could continue working.

[CAS4127]

Should have walked away. Can't defend somebody doing dumb things. What's the deal on the plaintiff listed? Is that the attorney representing the other party or was this "assault" against a person who just happens to be a lawyer?

@Bold: That's the Cass County Assistant State's Attorney assigned to prosecute the case.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Less than a year after his Minor and Resisting police officer arrest, does not bode well for him being in a Bison uniform in the future.

Next man up !!!!!!!!! Thorton would be my guess also and he has the speed and tools to get the job done.

[BisonNeil]

So, last year I think Gene Taylor set the bar when he was quoted as saying this after the petition fraud case broke:

Taylor: "Felonies, DUI's, violence, theft, things of sexual nature are very different than putting names on a petitions."

Most have been suspended indefinitely, some have been booted permanently, without a day in court so there is no question in my mind Beck is done.

Damn good thing the athletic department brought the former Appy coach to talk to the players about keeping their focus so they could do great things. What really sucks is the summer is very young, lots more crap could happen between now and the start of fall camp :(

http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/68491/

[HerdBot]

I want to know the facts. Charged is not guilty. If he says hes innocent give him his day in court but if he's guilty, even a misdemeanor, he needs a long suspension or to be kicked off the team. As of now its speculation. Wouldn't be the first time someone was wrongfully accused but more times than not they are guilty. Was it self defense? Nobody knows.

I would suspend him until he enters a plea. If its not guilty bring him back. If its guilty, misdemeanor 1 year suspension or felony kick off team

[NorthernBison]

@Bold: That's the Cass County Assistant State's Attorney assigned to prosecute the case.

Duh, that makes sense. Thanks for the info.

[BisonNeil]

Less than a year after his Minor and Resisting police officer arrest, does not bode well for him being in a Bison uniform in the future.

Next man up !!!!!!!!! Thorton would be my guess also and he has the speed and tools to get the job done.

True, but we went from a thin 3 LBs to a less thin 4 LBs for the rotation, now back to 3. Not good...

[Bison bison]

Don't worry guys.

My six-year-old is going to Bison football camp tomorrow.

He will be dressed to impress, baby.

[gumby013]

Heagle to the rescue.

[Bison"FANatic"]

True, but we went from a thin 3 LBs to a less thin 4 LBs for the rotation, now back to 3. Not good...

oh don't get me wrong LB is not a position we could lose someone at. It sucks a Freshman is going to have to step up big time.

[KSBisonFan]

Fire barfights, save season!

[ndsubison1]

Should they not?

thats not my point

[HerdBot]

Less than a year after his Minor and Resisting police officer arrest, does not bode well for him being in a Bison uniform in the future.

Next man up !!!!!!!!! Thorton would be my guess also and he has the speed and tools to get the job done.

Resisting arrest was dropped. Trumped up charges obviously. The question is are these trumped up or self defense? Suspend him until he pleads. If its not guilty give him his day. If its any charge, suspension.

[KSBisonFan]

Does anyone know a good lawyer on this board who could explain what this means?












Aggravated Assault

12.1-17-02
Felony C

[CAS4127]

Resisting arrest was dropped. Trumped up charges obviously. The question is are these trumped up or self defense? Suspend him until he pleads. If its not guilty give him his day. If its any charge, suspension.

How do you know the resisting charge was dropped?! That is a misdemeanor, and would be charged out in Fargo Muncipal Court, not Cass County State District Court. Have you checked Fargo Muni Court records?! Assuming it hasn't been dropped , the case can be transferred to District Court if requested by Beck/his attorney, so that it "tracks" the felony case/charge so that both can be "disposed" of on the same time frame.

[Bison 4 Life]

thats not my point

No your point was to deride the media for their reporting. Fargo is a pretty boring town and when something happens, it gets reported. You can only cover so many 100th birthdays at Bethany.

[EndZoneQB]

Does anyone know a good lawyer on this board who could explain what this means?












Aggravated Assault

12.1-17-02
Felony C



http://www.lawserver.com/law/state/north-dakota/nd-code/north_dakota_code_12-1_17_02

Charge, century code, Level of charge

http://www.legis.nd.gov/cencode/t12-1c32.pdf?20130610153250

[Bison"FANatic"]

CAS

He is talking the one that was charged when he got the MIP not the one this weekend as this is the second time he has been charged with resisting.

[Bison bison]

Man.

I miss the days when players would sit around forging signatures.

[CAS4127]

Does anyone know a good lawyer on this board who could explain what this means?









Aggravated Assault


12.1-17-02

Felony C





Here you go:


12.1-17-02. Aggravated assault.
A person is guilty of a class C felony, except if the victim is under the age of twelve years orthe victim suffers permanent loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member or organ inwhich case the offense is a class B felony, if that person:1. Willfully causes serious bodily injury to another human being;2. Knowingly causes bodily injury or substantial bodily injury to another human being witha dangerous weapon or other weapon, the possession of which under thecircumstances indicates an intent or readiness to inflict serious bodily injury;3. Causes bodily injury or substantial bodily injury to another human being whileattempting to inflict serious bodily injury on any human being; or4. Fires a firearm or hurls a destructive device at another human being.


A C Felony in Nodak carries with it a maximum penalty of up to 5 years in prison, a fine of $5000 or both. There is no minimum mandatpory term of imprisonment, but if he is sentenced to more than a year, if convicted, he would have to serve at least 85%, as this is considered a crime of violence. Also, I understand the alleged victim was knocked out cold, but keep in mind this happened outside the Sport Bar, and drinking can certainly cause someone to get knocked out much easier than when sober.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Pierre Gee Tucker is a name we will have to watch this fall. Go back and watch his video, he could be a good one and play right away at OLB if he has the smarts to pick up the schemes and assignments. A Freshman who could definitely make a difference.

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/401413/highlights/15313373

[EndZoneQB]

Ok, I'm going to say what everyone is already thinking. Who picks a fight with a dude as big as Beck?

[HerdBot]

How do you know the resisting charge was dropped?! That is a misdemeanor, and would be charged out in Fargo Muncipal Court, not Cass County State District Court. Have you checked Fargo Muni Court records?! Assuming it hasn't been dropped , the case can be transferred to District Court if requested by Beck/his attorney, so that it "tracks" the felony case/charge so that both can be "disposed" of on the same time frame.

I'm talking last year. It was reported by media

[CAS4127]

Ok, I'm going to say what everyone is already thinking. Who picks a fight with a dude as big as Beck?

He's only 6' & 210-215 pounds. That's about my size now and when I played, with weight being distributed a bit differently. I had guys start fights with me, and most of the time they were taller and heavier, didn't like NDSU football, and or were trying to impress.


I'm talking last year. It was reported by media

Got it--thanks.

[G_Funky]

I dont condone fighting. Especially bar fights that are either over a girl neither has a chance with or who can fist pump the highest. But whatever happened to two guys getting into a bar scrap, throwing a few incoherent hay-makers, and then walking away with either their head down or up? It's like "you whooped my ass, now I'm calling the cops..."

[EndZoneQB]

He's only 6' & 210-215 pounds. That's about my size now and when I played, with weight being distributed a bit differently. I had guys start fights with me, and most of the time they were taller and heavier, didn't like NDSU football, and or were trying to impress.


Haha, yeah thats true. I guess I look at more than size if there is a possibility of a fight. I've never met Travis, but he doesn't scream "I'm an inflated wuss" like some of the oversized guys I see walking around this town. Same would go for you, I didn't know you back then, but I can't imagine you screamed "come kick my ass" by your outward appearance.

Then again, you can't fix stupid. I hope everything comes out that Travis was merely defending himself. Isn't it true, that if you warn someone that they need to stop doing whatever they are doing because you are going to hit them, it's counted as self defense, even if you swung first?

[HerdBot]

So, last year I think Gene Taylor set the bar when he was quoted as saying this after the petition fraud case broke:

Taylor: "Felonies, DUI's, violence, theft, things of sexual nature are very different than putting names on a petitions."

Most have been suspended indefinitely, some have been booted permanently, without a day in court so there is no question in my mind Beck is done.

Damn good thing the athletic department brought the former Appy coach to talk to the players about keeping their focus so they could do great things. What really sucks is the summer is very young, lots more crap could happen between now and the start of fall camp :(

http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/68491/

The bar is obvious. Felony = kicked off team. Misdemeanor = if meets criteria a suspension. Length varies
The day in court hasn't been consistent over the long haul. Probably depends if Bohl thinks hes guilty or not after talking with the player

[Jonesy]

I dont condone fighting. Especially bar fights that are either over a girl neither has a chance with or who can fist pump the highest. But whatever happened to two guys getting into a bar scrap, throwing a few incoherent hay-makers, and then walking away with either their head down or up? It's like "you whooped my ass, now I'm calling the cops..."

Typically it's a bystander who calls the cops. Or the bar itself that calls it in. I'd assume this took place outside the OB? Too bad he couldn't take the time to calm down and catch his wits as he was being kicked out of the bar (told to take it outside), it would've saved him a lot of trouble.

[EndZoneQB]

Isn't there an old saying or something, and it's about how you have to look out for yourself when you are a player. The guy at the bar doesn't care you are going for a Three-peat so you have to be extra vigilant on walking away. They have a lot more to lose than you or I.

[bisonhp330]

Should have walked away. Can't defend somebody doing dumb things. What's the deal on the plaintiff listed? Is that the attorney representing the other party or was this "assault" against a person who just happens to be a lawyer?

whoa.......no way THAT is illegal now?!?!?

[tony]

Then again, you can't fix stupid. I hope everything comes out that Travis was merely defending himself. Isn't it true, that if you warn someone that they need to stop doing whatever they are doing because you are going to hit them, it's counted as self defense, even if you swung first?

Travis will almost certainly claim self-defense if it goes to trial. However, the prize for winning a bar fight when the other party gets hurt is a trip to jail (correct me if I'm wrong CAS or other lawyer-types.)

He was just lucky that the other guy didn't fall over and hit his head on a curb or he could be looking at even more serious charges, regardless of who did what beforehand. Even if he gets kicked off the team, he'll have that to be thankful for.

Heck, according to Ma, my Dad who was pretty skinny when he was young (we're talking 6' 140-something) knocked out a 300-lb drunk in a bar fight in Buffalo, SD after the guy harrassed Ma and then backed him into a corner. Luckily Dad didn't go to jail because it could have gone very wrong for him since, yeah, he might have been skinny and mild-mannered, but he was also the fourth generation in his family to box.

[CAS4127]

Haha, yeah thats true. I guess I look at more than size if there is a possibility of a fight. I've never met Travis, but he doesn't scream "I'm an inflated wuss" like some of the oversized guys I see walking around this town. Same would go for you, I didn't know you back then, but I can't imagine you screamed "come kick my ass" by your outward appearance.

Then again, you can't fix stupid. I hope everything comes out that Travis was merely defending himself. Isn't it true, that if you warn someone that they need to stop doing whatever they are doing because you are going to hit them, it's counted as self defense, even if you swung first?


Isn't there an old saying or something, and it's about how you have to look out for yourself when you are a player. The guy at the bar doesn't care you are going for a Three-peat so you have to be extra vigilant on walking away. They have a lot more to lose than you or I.

Here's the deal--when you are an NDSU football player, you will rarely, if ever, get a fair shake from anyone involved in the fight; be it the victim, the bystander, the victim's friends, or the bar owner. Everyone wants to blame you whether accurate or not. When you are an NDSU football players and kick someone's ass, nobody is your friend accept your teammates, "true friends" and family. The rest would love to see you go down. It's a fact--trust me--I know. And your last line of second quote almost says its all.

With respect to your question on self-defense, yes, that would be true if that was the case here--can guaraneffingtee you victim's friends, bystanders or others did not "see" it that way even if it was, and cops/prosecutors tend to follow that line of thinking when it comes to NDSU football players. The big question for me is whether ANYONE was sober?! If not, that actually helps from defense side.

[bisonmike2]

whoa.......no way THAT is illegal now?!?!?

I feel like that could have been the plot to the Purge and it would have done even better at the box office. "One night, all crime against lawyers is legal". It would have a pretty good shot at becoming actual law too.

/no offense CAS.

[BisonHorns]

Get out of jail free card?

[Bison 4 Life]

@DomIzzoWDAY
#NDSU HC Craig Bohl has issued a statement regarding Travis Beck; saying he is indefinitely suspended

[Bison bison]

but he was also the fourth generation in his family to box.

the irish do love to fight (and drink)! but i repeat myself (but i repeat myself).

[Montana Bison]

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/402643/

[SDSUAlum08]

I dont condone fighting. Especially bar fights that are either over a girl neither has a chance with or who can fist pump the highest. But whatever happened to two guys getting into a bar scrap, throwing a few incoherent hay-makers, and then walking away with either their head down or up? It's like "you whooped my ass, now I'm calling the cops..."

Lawyers is what happened.

[G_Funky]

Unfortunately, if Beck does get the boot, he will never be remembered as the kid who basically sealed the deal for NDSU's first D1 national championship or for his feisty play as an undersized LB...he will go down as the one who got kicked off the team for fighting at a bar.

Just like everyone else I truly hope there is an explanation that plays to his side, whatever that might be. Not just because he is a dang good ball player but because of what his status meant to the state of ND, to small town kids, and to our in state recruiting. Two high profile players from the state of ND booted in 3 years doesn't boast well for our program.

[jeffaller]

@MikeMcFeelyKFGO
Fargo police say Travis Beck allegedly beat man unconscious outside a downtown bar. Man still hospitalized.

[BadlandsBison]

the irish do love to fight (and drink)! but i repeat myself (but i repeat myself).

Genetic curse or talent?

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[CAS4127]

@MikeMcFeelyKFGO
Fargo police say Travis Beck allegedly beat man unconscious outside a downtown bar. Man still hospitalized.

Not sure if bold is true, but McFooly will say anything when it comes to NDSU football players. Also, part of the problem with fighting someone who is drunk is that internal bleeding can and does often happen given blood-thinning effects of alcohol. That's why you have to be careful and one of the many reasons not to fight, ever, if possible.

[NDSU '96]

@MikeMcFeelyKFGO
Fargo police say Travis Beck allegedly beat man unconscious outside a downtown bar. Man still hospitalized.Congrats Travis...you won.

[devin45k]

Gosh darnit Mr. Beck.....

[G_Funky]

Congrats Travis...you won.

Agreed...recanting my statement about "what ever happened to..."

[tony]

the irish do love to fight (and drink)! but i repeat myself (but i repeat myself).

Funny thing about Dad is that he really didn't like to fight and didn't drink much at all.

Heck, I've never seen him tipsy and have only seen him mad once... er, well, maybe twice. There was another time he may have been angry, but I didn't stick around to find out. When I was a 16 or so, I dumped a bucket of water on him on a hot day, he got up and roared, and I took off with him right on my tail until he got tired. Seriously, about 200 yards into the chase, he came within three feet from catching me or I figure that you'd be reading this message on a Ouija board. Anyway, I assume he was angry that time but I can't claim to know for certain.

Heck, I was so impressed (and terrified) by his speed that I looked up his HS track times. He barely broke 60 seconds in the quarter mile! So, basically, 30 years and 60+ pounds later, he was faster because I know darn well that he covered 200 meters in under 24 seconds.

[NDSU '96]

On top of everything else, is Beck 21 yet?

[roadwarrior]

All of the action probably got recorded live on one of Fargo PD's "big brother" downtown cameras.

[MNLonghorn10]

@MikeMcFeelyKFGO
Fargo police say Travis Beck allegedly beat man unconscious outside a downtown bar. Man still hospitalized.
damn it beck!

http://www.dvafoto.com/wp-content/bushshoes.gif

[344Johnson]

On top of everything else, is Beck 21 yet?

Yep. January 6 if gobison.com is to be believed.

[NDSU '96]

All of the action probably got recorded live on one of Fargo PD's "big brother" downtown cameras.CAS, how would video evidence impact the likelihood of a plea deal?

[HerdBot]

I figure 1 of 3 things happened

1)Maybe Beck was leaving a bar and a guy who was so drunk he was on the verge of falling down punched him and in self defense, he punched him back. Then the guy falls on the cement and hits his head which knocks him unconscious and he's bleeding from the head. Of course that would hospitalize him if it hits the concrete

2) Or maybe he just picked some random guy and beat him silly

3) Or he said something to someone which provoked them to take a swing and he defended himself by beating him up, not knowing his own strength

The truth is usually somewhere in between

My gut says the charges are dropped. Not enough evidence and too many drunk witnesses. A city camera at night won't pick it all up and even if it did, all you can see is who threw the first punch or maybe a guy spit in his face or threatened him and assaulted him in the bar. No way of knowing

[CAS4127]

CAS, how would video evidence impact the likelihood of a plea deal?

Well, that would depend on what it reveals, now wouldn't it?!?! :)

Don't think we want it here IMO.


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[MNLonghorn10]

I figure 1 of 3 things happened

1)Maybe Beck was leaving a bar and a guy who was so drunk he was on the verge of falling down punched him and in self defense, he punched him back. Then the guy falls on the cement and hits his head which knocks him unconscious and he's bleeding from the head. Of course that would hospitalize him if it hits the concrete

2) Or maybe he just picked some random guy and beat him silly

3) Or he said something to someone which provoked them to take a swing and he defended himself by beating him up, not knowing his own strength

The truth is usually somewhere in between

My gut says the charges are dropped. Not enough evidence and too many drunk witnesses. A city camera at night won't pick it all up and even if it did, all you can see is who threw the first punch or maybe a guy spit in his face or threatened him and
assaulted him in the bar. No way of knowing

Dude. he beat someone unconscious. he's done.

[HerdBot]

Dude. he beat someone unconscious. he's done.

Probably but I believed everthing I read we would still be looking for weapons of mass destruction in iraq

[CaBisonFan]

I knew that things had gotten too boring.

[Jonesy]

Probably but I believed everthing I read I would still be looking for weapons of mass destruction in iraq

Puttin on the blinders....

2865

[MNLonghorn10]

Probably but I believed everthing I read I would still be looking for weapons of mass destruction in iraq
Haha. Well when police are stating that he's still in the hospital, that's pretty clear how serious travis beat this guy.

[CAS4127]

Dude. he beat someone unconscious. he's done.

Knocking someone out only takes one punch. It's what happened after that makes the difference. Did he stop?! Also, where the hell were his teammates and friends?! There were many times where I talked a teammate out of doing something stupid and where they did same for me!!


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[KSBisonFan]

I figure 1 of 3 things happened

1)Maybe Beck was leaving a bar and a guy who was so drunk he was on the verge of falling down punched him and in self defense, he punched him back. Then the guy falls on the cement and hits his head which knocks him unconscious and he's bleeding from the head. Of course that would hospitalize him if it hits the concrete

2) Or maybe he just picked some random guy and beat him silly

3) Or he said something to someone which provoked them to take a swing and he defended himself by beating him up, not knowing his own strength

The truth is usually somewhere in between

My gut says the charges are dropped. Not enough evidence and too many drunk witnesses. A city camera at night won't pick it all up and even if it did, all you can see is who threw the first punch or maybe a guy spit in his face or threatened him and assaulted him in the bar. No way of knowing

Thanks, Columbo.

[G_Funky]

Knocking someone out only takes one punch. It's what happened after that makes the difference. Did he stop?! Also, where the hell were his teammates and friends?! There were many times where I talked a teammate out of doing something stupid and where they did same for me!!


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If not there to talk him out of the situation why the hell weren't they yanking him off this guy after he smashed his face a couple times? I was going to mention something about this earlier but refrained bc of the "responsible for your own actions" card...

[EndZoneQB]

Here's the deal--when you are an NDSU football player, you will rarely, if ever, get a fair shake from anyone involved in the fight; be it the victim, the bystander, the victim's friends, or the bar owner. Everyone wants to blame you whether accurate or not. When you are an NDSU football players and kick someone's ass, nobody is your friend accept your teammates, "true friends" and family. The rest would love to see you go down. It's a fact--trust me--I know. And your last line of second quote almost says its all.

With respect to your question on self-defense, yes, that would be true if that was the case here--can guaraneffingtee you victim's friends, bystanders or others did not "see" it that way even if it was, and cops/prosecutors tend to follow that line of thinking when it comes to NDSU football players. The big question for me is whether ANYONE was sober?! If not, that actually helps from defense side.


Right. And I know I'm not involved with the law whatsoever, but from the little time I spent in court sponging up information, it basically sounds like your best bet is unattached witnesses that are able to tell the story. If they are your friends/acquaintances, it doesn't really help you too much because of course friends are going to go with your side of the story. Hopefully a Sports Bar bouncer or something saw the WHOLE thing and doesn't even recognize Travis(but again, this may change now that story came out). Either way, Doesn't look too good.

I hate the "beat man unconscious" wording. He could have hit the kid once and he had a glass jaw. That's not "beating a man unconscious" that's knocking someone out with a single punch. Beating a man unconscious is continually beating him until he's no longer moving IMO. Semantics...who needs them when it involves NDSU.



Haha. Well when police are stating that he's still in the hospital, that's pretty clear how serious travis beat this guy.

Dude. If they kid gets a concussion from the punch or the ground, they aren't going to release him from the hospital.

[NDSU '96]

Knocking someone out only takes one punch. It's what happened after that makes the difference. Did he stop?! Also, where the hell were his teammates and friends?! There were many times where I talked a teammate out of doing something stupid and where they did same for me!!


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWhen your beer goggles are on, your buddies are all over it. Beat a guy unconscious, on your own.

[CAS4127]

When your beer goggles are on, your buddies are all over it. Beat a guy unconscious, on your own.

"Stupid things" includes both IMO.


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[MNLonghorn10]

Right. And I know I'm not involved with the law whatsoever, but from the little time I spent in court sponging up information, it basically sounds like your best bet is unattached witnesses that are able to tell the story. If they are your friends/acquaintances, it doesn't really help you too much because of course friends are going to go with your side of the story. Hopefully a Sports Bar bouncer or something saw the WHOLE thing and doesn't even recognize Travis(but again, this may change now that story came out). Either way, Doesn't look too good.

I hate the "beat man unconscious" wording. He could have hit the kid once and he had a glass jaw. That's not "beating a man unconscious" that's knocking someone out with a single punch. Beating a man unconscious is continually beating him until he's no longer moving IMO. Semantics...who needs them when it involves NDSU.




Dude. If they kid gets a concussion from the punch or the ground, they aren't going to release him from the hospital.
Dude. None of us know how bad he beat him or if it was just from a single throw. Im just agreeing with what you said..doesnt look good

[EndZoneQB]

When your beer goggles are on, your buddies are all over it. Beat a guy unconscious, on your own.

I disagree. I've diffused plenty more fights than I've seen punches thrown with my friends. I would usually push my friends away and get in their face and tell them it's not worth it. You fight in a "hip" bar in Fargo, you're banned from pretty much all of them. It's not worth it for that, it's not worth it for losing a chance at a three-peat. Unless this dude threatened his family or something.

Also, seriously, you guys need to get by the "bet a guy unconscious" thing. We don't know if that was 1 punch or 15. Relax. And yes, it DOES make a difference. It's still dumb, but it's quite different.

[344Johnson]

Dude. he beat someone unconscious. he's done.

Yep. I would like to know what actually went down, but I don't think it will really matter.

[Wally]

Knocking someone out only takes one punch. It's what happened after that makes the difference. Did he stop?! Also, where the hell were his teammates and friends?! There were many times where I talked a teammate out of doing something stupid and where they did same for me!!


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I was just going to ask the same question. Who knows who he was running with that night, but one would like to think he was with people who could have talked some sense into him, even in a drunken state. Yes, easier said than done when booze is involved.

[MNLonghorn10]

they dont even make strong drinks at the sports bar. no chance alcohol was a factor

[CAS4127]

I wonder if he had both of his rings on?! :( I've seen first hand what those can do!!


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[gumby013]

The good news is Beck can now join everyone in the west lot.

[EndZoneQB]

they dont even make strong drinks at the sports bar. no chance alcohol was a factor

Idk man, I got pretty drunk there back in the day lol. I'd say the mistake was not barricading yourself at the pool table in the front. That was the best spot in the house.

[MNLonghorn10]

I'm sure we started at VFW first, got bombed there then ended up at Sports Bar where they continually make weak drinks

[KSBisonFan]

I was just going to ask the same question. Who knows who he was running with that night, but one would like to think he was with people who could have talked some sense into him, even in a drunken state. Yes, easier said than done when booze is involved.

Do we want to know who else was there? I hope this crap is limited to just Beck.

[THEsocalledfan]

The solution is tab being personal bodyguard for players going to the bar. he is clearly expendable

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[tjbison]

So kicked off the team i presume?

I would hope so, dumbass just wrecked his career

[HerdBot]

If not there to talk him out of the situation why the hell weren't they yanking him off this guy after he smashed his face a couple times? I was going to mention something about this earlier but refrained bc of the "responsible for your own actions" card...

See thats the type of speculation that is unwarranted and not fair to Beck

We dont know if he pummeled him over and over. Its quite possible that he punched him ONCE in self defense and the guy fell and bashed his head on the concrete or against a brick building which knocked him out. Most downtown buildings are brick.

Facts. No speculation.

Now if those facts come out that's completely different

[bisonmike2]

this wouldn't have happened if Fargo would just close more bars.

[CAS4127]

The solution is tab being personal bodyguard for players going to the bar. he is clearly expendable

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He'd continuously request group man hugs--not sure that would go over real well.

That said, pretty sure there is more to the story. It's not like one can dance alone--well, accept Tranny--takes two to tango.


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[HerdBot]

Do we want to know who else was there? I hope this crap is limited to just Beck.

We know nothing. I wish people would wait for facts to come out instead of speculating or making them up as we go. This is a 21 year olds reputation that may or may not be tarnished by rumors.

[KSBisonFan]

We know nothing. I wish people would wait for facts to come out instead of speculating or making them up as we go.

Seriously? You've presented an entire set of scenarios based on speculation! Nobody has made up more BS speculation so far than you.

[BadlandsBison]

Probably already mentioned, but kolpack mentions the alleged victim's name. Seems strange that they would release his name if he's still in the hospital

[HerdBot]

Thanks, Columbo.

Well it sure beats making up the story as we go along, now doesn't it?

[56BISON73]

See thats the type of speculation that is unwarranted and not fair to Beck

We dont know if he pummeled him over and over. Its quite possible that he punched him ONCE in self defense and the guy fell and bashed his head on the concrete or against a brick building which knocked him out. Most downtown buildings are brick.

Facts. No speculation.

Now if those facts come out that's completely different

Facts? No speculation????

Posted by Gabe


I figure 1 of 3 things happened

1)Maybe Beck was leaving a bar and a guy who was so drunk he was on the verge of falling down punched him and in self defense, he punched him back. Then the guy falls on the cement and hits his head which knocks him unconscious and he's bleeding from the head. Of course that would hospitalize him if it hits the concrete

2) Or maybe he just picked some random guy and beat him silly

3) Or he said something to someone which provoked them to take a swing and he defended himself by beating him up, not knowing his own strength

The truth is usually somewhere in between

My gut says the charges are dropped. Not enough evidence and too many drunk witnesses. A city camera at night won't pick it all up and even if it did, all you can see is who threw the first punch or maybe a guy spit in his face or threatened him and assaulted him in the bar. No way of knowing

[HerdBot]

Seriously? You've presented an entire set of scenarios based on speculation! Nobody has made up more BS speculation so far than you.

Hopefully some day your not arrested in a big misunderstanding and you don't have to read false information on the internet which ultimately ruins your reputation. It's not fair. All we know is there was an altercation which a guy ended up in the hospital. We don't know if he pounded him like Joe Pesci or if it was in self defense. We don't know if he was alone or with others. We don't even know if he was drinking. Facts only. Just don't speculate. Show some respect. I was just illustrating how the story could really be different than what we think. If and after he's convicted, then we can rip him a new one!

[Bison Fan 17]

Bisonville help me on this.Didn't the Man Bear Pig get himself into a pickle like this last year? Yet he was still playing in Dec and committing game changing penalties:facepalm:

[TNbison]

:facepalm: Enough said

[tjbison]

Hopefully some day your not arrested in a big misunderstanding and you don't have to read false information on the internet which ultimately ruins your reputation. It's not fair. All we know is there was an altercation which a guy ended up in the hospital. We don't know if he pounded him like Joe Pesci or if it was in self defense. We don't know if he was alone or with others. We don't even know if he was drinking. Facts only. Just don't speculate. Show some respect. I was just illustrating how the story could really be different than what we think

dude your blasting a guy for something you have already did in this thread? you gave 3 opinions on what happened but its ok if you did it? wtf

[HerdBot]

dude your blasting a guy for something you have already did in this thread? you gave 3 opinions on what happened but its ok if you did it? wtf

I gave 3 completely different scenenrios illustrating what could have happened. Two would not be a criminal charge at all and the other would. If he's guilty, kick him off the team. But we need facts. Gee, cops and prosecuters are never wrong, huh?

[CAS4127]

dude your blasting a guy for something you have already did in this thread? you gave 3 opinions on what happened but its ok if you did it? wtf

Actually, it was 4--or even more--as he said it was likely "something in between" those 3 scenarios.


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[HerdBot]

well I tried coming back here for a day and once again it sucks. Back to Lakes board.

Hope you apologize publically if it comes out that Beck didn't pummel a guy who was unconsious. Of course who cares it's ok to just make stuff up when it's not you. Put yourself in his shoes if he was defending himself and now people act like he's Joe Pesci on Casino. If he is Joe Pesci than kick em out but let's here the facts first. Like I said before, my 3 scenerios were just a way to illustrate just how different something can be when we jump to conclusions.

[westnodak93bison]

What are the chances Bruce Quick is his attorney?

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[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

Everyone just relax. So he beat the crap out of someone. No big deal. We need him for another 3-peat. Who cares if he is a thug. Just suspend him for the summer and bring him back for fall camp. After all isn't being suspended for the entire summer long enough? We just want to win baby.

Seriously, what a fricken hammerhead. I'm assuming he will be suspended until his day in court and if found guilty he will be kicked off the team. Our athletic dept. really has no choice in the matter. Anything less than being kicked off the team will be viewed as being too soft by the F-M media, especially after the whole petition gate deal. If he is lucky, he might get by with being suspended for a season, but more than likely he will be made an example of and will be kicked off permanently.

It's really too bad. He is a very talented athlete, and had the added bonus of being a small town ND boy. There aren't too many small town ND kids that can excel at this level of play.

Well, time to start looking for his replacement. Thorton hasn't impressed me. He doesn't seem to be able to fight off blocks very well. He seems more suited for strong safety than LB, IMO. Time will tell I guess.

[Bison"FANatic"]

Looks like the other guy got in at least one shot on Beck, it looks like Beck had a shiner and a cut lip in his booking photo.

Or that is all from the witness that punched Beck

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

Don't we have another thread on this?

[tjbison]

this is way to serious to take lightly, if you go on a fit of rage and beat. guy into the hospital it's serious, provoked or not he should know he is in th spotlight and take the high rad and walk away. ANYONE that thinks this is just a 21 yr old being a "kid" is an idiot. He had the world on a platter as far as local FB dreams and shit them right out the door, and personally that's where he should go regardless....out the door.

[KSBisonFan]

well I tried coming back here for a day and once again it sucks. Back to Lakes board.

Hope you apologize publically if it comes out that Beck didn't pummel a guy who was unconsious. Of course who cares it's ok to just make stuff up when it's not you. Put yourself in his shoes if he was defending himself and now people act like he's Joe Pesci on Casino. If he is Joe Pesci than kick em out but let's here the facts first. Like I said before, my 3 scenerios were just a way to illustrate just how different something can be when we jump to conclusions.

Wow, just wow! You're either a woman or Tri-polar because nothing you say makes any sense.

[bisonaudit]

If the info in the police report as described here http://mobile.inforum.com/page/article/id/402643
holds up; he's done.

[Elvis was a Bison]

Hey Gabe,

On the way back to Lakes' board, don't let the door hit you in the ass. BV, as a whole, and I in particular will not miss you or your self-righteousness.

[EndZoneQB]

I definitely recognize the other name. Kids definitely got a little bit of cocky to him in my experience. Hopefully it knocked him down a peg or four. Just wasn't worth losing Beck over it.


Edit: and doesn't make it right

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

Couldn't he be suspended after the KSU game? Would seem appropriate to me. :biggrin:

[A1pigskin]

This is a big loss. I hope the guy in the hospital is ok.

[A1pigskin]

yes................

[WYOBISONMAN]

Damn.......depressing. :(

[tjbison]

Damn.......depressing. :(

no shit I was having a good day and in fact sent in my payment for reserved tailgate spots........SOB on to the liquor I guess

[Bisonwinagn]

Well let the offseason crap begin. Beck is the first Dumb ass and may have cost him his career I wonder who will be next....If the charges are correct he needs to be kicked out of school as well.

[SportsLover]

Well let the offseason crap begin. Beck is the first Dumb ass and may have cost him his career I wonder who will be next....If the charges are correct he needs to be kicked out of school as well.

Wow, so you believe Travis should have his future destroyed because he was at some level intoxicated and made a terrible decision, which I'm guessing he deeply regrets. I truly believe if all is true he should be kicked from the team and go under investigation by student life. But to just automatically kick him out of school I disagree with.

[BisonNation11]

Wow, so you believe Travis should have his future destroyed because he was at some level intoxicated and made a terrible decision, which I'm guessing he deeply regrets. I truly believe if all is true he should be kicked from the team and go under investigation by student life. But to just automatically kick him out of school I disagree with.

This isn't his first run in with the law and this could be a felony. I'm not saying he should be kicked out immediately, but an investigation should be done. It was also a decision to get to that level of intoxication... Everyone makes choices that have consequences and at some point, decisions are made while sober.

[hattonbison]

So this Matt guy played basketball at fargo south with allard, and where did allard go to college? yep that shit school up north. sounds like all the witnesses where matts buddies. I will hold judgement till the whole story comes out, thank you!!!

[344Johnson]

So this Matt guy played basketball at fargo south with allard, and where did allard go to college? yep that shit school up north. sounds like all the witnesses where matts buddies. I will hold judgement till the whole story comes out, thank you!!!

Even if the dude deserved to be punched, or was antagonizing Beck, he still should not have done it. Not that it makes it any better, I wouldn't mind getting Beck's blood alcohol content.

[Bisonwinagn]

So this Matt guy played basketball at fargo south with allard, and where did allard go to college? yep that shit school up north. sounds like all the witnesses where matts buddies. I will hold judgement till the whole story comes out, thank you!!!

Well if this guy was a UND student or associated with that school then I retract my statement and don't see any reason for charges to be filed. Just boys being boys...carry on.

[bisonaudit]

So this Matt guy played basketball at fargo south with allard, and where did allard go to college? yep that shit school up north. sounds like all the witnesses where matts buddies. I will hold judgement till the whole story comes out, thank you!!!

I played baseball with Travis Hafner one summer. I guess I'd better steer clear of the local Red Sox bar, they might mistake me for a Yankee's fan.

[loudsilverado]

Big deal, sh*t happens.

[DjKyRo]

I told myself I wouldn't read the Facebook comments. Goodness knows I tried. Going to go scrub my eyes with bleach now.

[JSUBison]

So this Matt guy played basketball at fargo south with allard, and where did allard go to college? yep that shit school up north. sounds like all the witnesses where matts buddies. I will hold judgement till the whole story comes out, thank you!!!

What it all boils down to is if you are outside a bar at 3am, expect trouble to find you. I don't know what happened, but short of Beck being jumped by three guys in the alley or something like that, he always had an out and it didn't have to be like this.

[BisonFan02]

Nothing good ever happens after 2am....don't put yourself in this situation and it can be avoided...way too much to lose.

[gotts]

well I tried coming back here for a day and once again it sucks. Back to Lakes board.

Hope you apologize publically if it comes out that Beck didn't pummel a guy who was unconsious. Of course who cares it's ok to just make stuff up when it's not you. Put yourself in his shoes if he was defending himself and now people act like he's Joe Pesci on Casino. If he is Joe Pesci than kick em out but let's here the facts first. Like I said before, my 3 scenerios were just a way to illustrate just how different something can be when we jump to conclusions.

You're a moron. For the record, I would have zero problem saying that to you in person.

[56BISON73]

Is school in session?

[BisonNation11]

Is school in session?

The school of life

[North Side]

Nothing good happens at 3AM outside a bar.... Why was Beck there... horrible choice and you can see what happened

[SportsLover]

Could have been waiting for a cab etc....

[loudsilverado]

The charges will be lessened, some probation, sit out a few games. It happens.

[56BISON73]

The school of life

I have never understood how you can discipline a student for something that didnt happen within the school year.

[344Johnson]

Nothing good happens at 3AM outside a bar.... Why was Beck there... horrible choice and you can see what happened

Food maybe...Drunken Noodle or something could be pretty awesome at that itme of night.



I have never understood how you can discipline a student for something that didnt happen within the school year.

I can see where you are coming from on that...but I disagree.

[CAS4127]

Even if the dude deserved to be punched, or was antagonizing Beck, he still should not have done it. Not that it makes it any better, I wouldn't mind getting Beck's blood alcohol content.

I'll say this--and just using your post as segue--sometimes you just get pressed to the point of no return. It happens!! There is more to this story--trust me. Not saying guy deserved to be knocked out, but it does happen in fights, especially when alcohol is involved. Been there done that. I can say this, this was a mutual decision to fight, not Beck's alone. No one at actual scene called it in. Mutual combat. This should get decreased or dismissed, or go to trial. This so-called victim knew what he was getting into and ended up with short end of stick. That happens all the time. He will be just fine, but will have bruised pride and will never eff with anyone again Is my guess. Ya, I am defending Travis because this shit needs to stop--meaning leave us alone!!


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[MAKBison]

Tough to prove assault if it started as a mutual combative situation.

[perthbison]

My gut says the charges are dropped. Not enough evidence and too many drunk witnesses. A city camera at night won't pick it all up and even if it did, all you can see is who threw the first punch or maybe a guy spit in his face or threatened him and assaulted him in the bar. No way of knowingUntil more comes out on this I'm thinking along these lines also. Travis's family has a lot of past affiliation at und so I don't see him going around telling undies that he sees in a bar that they are douches and stuff. My first guess is that he responded to this group of drunkards antagonizing. Not saying that makes it right, but if I were placing a bet on this I'd bet that the hospitalized guy were the provoker.

[CAS4127]

Tough to prove assault if it started as a mutual combative situation.

It did--fact!!


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[MAKBison]

TB needs to show he felt he was in danger and stopped once he believed he was out of danger----it will probably come down to what he told the police....i wonder if he was smart enough to know to NOT talk to the cops.


Until more comes out on this I'm thinking along these lines also. Travis's family has a lot of past affiliation at und so I don't see him going around telling undies that he sees in a bar that they are douches and stuff. My first guess is that he responded to this group of drunkards antagonizing. Not saying that makes it right, but if I were placing a bet on this I'd bet that the hospitalized guy were the provoker.

[MAKBison]

North Dakota Code 12.1-05-03 - Self-defense :: Lawserver

A person is justified in using force upon another person to defend himself against danger of imminent unlawful bodily injury, sexual assault, or detention by such other person, except that:

1. A person is not justified in using force for the purpose of resisting arrest, execution of process, or other performance of duty by a public servant under color of law, but excessive force may be resisted.

2. A person is not justified in using force if:

a. He intentionally provokes unlawful action by another person to cause bodily injury or death to such other person; or

b. He has entered into a mutual combat with another person or is the initial aggressor unless he is resisting force which is clearly excessive in the circumstances. A person's use of defensive force after he withdraws from an encounter and indicates to the other person that he has done so is justified if the latter nevertheless continues or menaces unlawful action.




It did--fact!!


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[Shadowbison]

if this is true, he is off the team. no way to justify or defend this. fighting is reserved for folks with half a brain anyway

[tjbison]

So this Matt guy played basketball at fargo south with allard, and where did allard go to college? yep that shit school up north. sounds like all the witnesses where matts buddies. I will hold judgement till the whole story comes out, thank you!!!

really?? lets not turn this into a UND caused it thread! god the kid f'ed up he made. poor choice that will more than likely cost him a scholarship on a FB team but he should be allowed to finish school.

[westnodak93bison]

if this is true, he is off the team. no way to justify or defend this. fighting is reserved for folks with half a brain anyway

How can you say this? Were you there? What if it was self defense?
He better get a really good attorney and fight this hard if it was self defense.

[56BISON73]

Food maybe...Drunken Noodle or something could be pretty awesome at that itme of night.




I can see where you are coming from on that...but I disagree.

Really? So please tell me why NDSU should have any say over you getting a DUI in the state of Mn or ND in July when you arent in school?

[tjbison]

Really? So please tell me why NDSU should have any say over you getting a DUI in the state of Mn or ND in July when you arent in school?

i guess it probably comes from a point that he is on an athletic scholarship and that means he really is representing and using the State facilities year round? Just my opinion but if your part of a team is it that hard if you want to succeed to keep your nose clean for 5 years? I'm just asking PL but I do feel the University should impose a punishment on a scholarship athlete, but also would a scholarship band member be treated the same?

[Shadowbison]

How can you say this? Were you there? What if it was self defense?
He better get a really good attorney and fight this hard if it was self defense.
i have a hard time believing TB would be bullied by anybody. i wouldnt dare! i said, if its true. it seems there are people trying to bend what they are reading to fit what they want to believe

[G_Funky]

Unless I'm missing something, based on the forum article Beck was defending himself against this guy and what seems to be others and it just so happened to be Beck busted him up pretty bad...is there a limit on how much "defending" one can do when defending themselves?

[Shadowbison]

the bar tender said take the fight outside. sounds pretty mutual to me

[tjbison]

Unless I'm missing something, based on the forum article Beck was defending himself against this guy and what seems to be others and it just so happened to be Beck busted him up pretty bad...is there a limit on how much "defending" one can do when defending themselves?

all comes down to hard evidence, what did the cameras see and what did the by standards see, so far not looking good for Beck

[56BISON73]

Unless I'm missing something, based on the forum article Beck was defending himself against this guy and what seems to be others and it just so happened to be Beck busted him up pretty bad...is there a limit on how much "defending" one can do when defending themselves?

You defend yourself to the point that you know that the other person cant hurt you.

[Bison bison]

why does ndsu care? because it is trying to prepare these young men and women for the future. because ndsu students are part of the ndsu community - even during break!

[HoopsBison]

Peace out Beck, not cool at all.

Next man up.

[Shadowbison]

this! the students represent the university all the time, even after they graduate.

[coldspot]

from what I remember of the other two guys involved back in high school, they were dumb shits that thought they were big shit. and all of a sudden neither of them have facebook pages. but nobody was in the right in this situation.

[G_Funky]

i guess it probably comes from a point that he is on an athletic scholarship and that means he really is representing and using the State facilities year round? Just my opinion but if your part of a team is it that hard if you want to succeed to keep your nose clean for 5 years? I'm just asking PL but I do feel the University should impose a punishment on a scholarship athlete, but also would a scholarship band member be treated the same?

A student athlete isn't considered on scholly during the summer. Unless they are taking summer school they receive no benefits of their scholarship (room/board, meal plan, etc). I'm not sure but I think unless its approved by the athletic dept I don't think they pay for summer classes unless its absolutely necessary for the students degree progress. The summer workouts these guys are participating in are "voluntary" and they really have no contact with any coaches besides the strength and conditioning staff...doesn't justify run ins with the law but he shouldn't have his schooling affected unless the student government finds it fitting that he isn't suited for the school....

[westnodak93bison]

Is it just me or do people usually jump to conclusions based on who "won" the fight?

[loudsilverado]

People need to relax and listen to PL and CAS on this one, they both speak with awesome reasoning.

[tjbison]

A student athlete isn't considered on scholly during the summer. Unless they are taking summer school they receive no benefits of their scholarship (room/board, meal plan, etc). I'm not sure but I think unless its approved by the athletic dept I don't think they pay for summer classes unless its absolutely necessary for the students degree progress. The summer workouts these guys are participating in are "voluntary" and they really have no contact with any coaches besides the strength and conditioning staff...doesn't justify run ins with the law but he shouldn't have his schooling affected unless the student government finds it fitting that he isn't suited for the school....

so a scholarship football player isn't on scholarship when they start fall camp before the actual school year begins??

[G_Funky]

Is it just me or do people usually jump to conclusions based on who "won" the fight?

In this situation especially, the conclusions are purely speculations/assumptions based on the slim amount of info trickling in throughout the day but yeah it seems as tho just bc Beck is considered the "winner" bc he KO'd the kid that means he is the unruly one who deserves all the blame...

[G_Funky]

Sign scholly papers before fall camp starts that initiates the scholarship period until the next year. I guess I shouldn't say that they aren't on scholarship during the summer bc im not 100% on that, they just dont get benefits they receive during the school year...

[Bison bison]

the university considers individuals on break students and members of the community.

even if beck is found innocent in a courtroom, it is possible (likely?) that the university will ask him to take a semester off.

[56BISON73]

i guess it probably comes from a point that he is on an athletic scholarship and that means he really is representing and using the State facilities year round? Just my opinion but if your part of a team is it that hard if you want to succeed to keep your nose clean for 5 years? I'm just asking PL but I do feel the University should impose a punishment on a scholarship athlete, but also would a scholarship band member be treated the same?

Keeping your nose clean as in not willingly breaking any laws I can understand but that should be a team-athletic dept issue if it arises. NDSU shouldnt be involved. Just as NDSU shouldnt be involved if joe schmoe gets in a fight in St Paul during summer vacation.

[56BISON73]

the university considers individuals on break students and members of the community.

even if beck is found innocent in a courtroom, it is possible (likely?) that the university will ask him to take a semester off.

They are then over extending their reach.

[Shadowbison]

half a brain reasoning, seriously? fights happen? thats 8th grade stuff

[MAKBison]

Nothing to do with having a scholarship--- all students that get into trouble while ( ENROLLED) are held accountable to the student code of conduct. It does not matter if its between or during the term. If the school finds out you'll be taking to NW----is she still around?


i guess it probably comes from a point that he is on an athletic scholarship and that means he really is representing and using the State facilities year round? Just my opinion but if your part of a team is it that hard if you want to succeed to keep your nose clean for 5 years? I'm just asking PL but I do feel the University should impose a punishment on a scholarship athlete, but also would a scholarship band member be treated the same?

[56BISON73]

half a brain reasoning, seriously? fights happen? thats 8th grade stuff

Regardless it happens.

[Bison bison]

2866


Yes..............

[tjbison]

Keeping your nose clean as in not willingly breaking any laws I can understand but that should be a team-athletic dept issue if it arises. NDSU shouldnt be involved. Just as NDSU shouldnt be involved if joe schmoe gets in a fight in St Paul during summer vacation.

I definitely see your point, but I still think a scholarship athlete is/should/will be held to a higher standard. I guess I feel that way because my money goes towards them to help them excel and I expect results, so if player x doesn't perform or fails they player Y gets a chance and I feel situations like this are part of it. maybe I'm totally wrong but that's how I feel

[Bison bison]

who cares about scholarship.

going out on a bit of limb, but travis will probably be suspended from ndsu for a year for violating the code of conduct.

[Bisonator98]

With his prior issues he shouldn't have even put himself in this position. Buy your beer and go home! Why is it so hard for some of these guys to stay out of trouble? Good grief!

[Shadowbison]

your representing the U! if joe shmoe got in a fight in st. paul(as an ndsu student), would there be 20 pages of comments? no, there is a higher standard given your role in society. Beck will be missed, but i cant imagine this affecting the outcome of the season at all! we will be 3 time natty champs and beat ksu. we wont even remember this after aug 30th

[G_Funky]

2866


Yes..............

Horrendous memories of meeting with that woman post triple keg...

[Bison bison]

that would be an epic walk of shame.

[MAKBison]

The University's intent is not to harm the student by disciplining them it is to reposition the learner so they can mature and be a better person. TB will have an uphill battle on this one, as this is his second incident of resisting and or putting himself in a bad postilion. Concerning its not the schools prerogative....sure it is and if one decides to attend one is saying they accept this fact----no one forced anyone to go to NDSU



Keeping your nose clean as in not willingly breaking any laws I can understand but that should be a team-athletic dept issue if it arises. NDSU shouldnt be involved. Just as NDSU shouldnt be involved if joe schmoe gets in a fight in St Paul during summer vacation.

[56BISON73]

I definitely see your point, but I still think a scholarship athlete is/should/will be held to a higher standard. I guess I feel that way because my money goes towards them to help them excel and I expect results, so if player x doesn't perform or fails they player Y gets a chance and I feel situations like this are part of it. maybe I'm totally wrong but that's how I feel

I agree. There are team rules and stipulations. If there is an infraction then its handled internally within the Athletic Dept and the team. After all the facts are brought forward then a determination can be made as to what should be done. If anything at all.

[G_Funky]

your representing the U! if joe shmoe got in a fight in st. paul(as an ndsu student), would there be 20 pages of comments? no, there is a higher standard given your role in society. Beck will be missed, but i cant imagine this affecting the outcome of the season at all! we will be 3 time natty champs and beat ksu. we wont even remember this after aug 30th

Unfortunately that's rather hard to believe...Especially if another LB gets the boot/gets hurt...

[MAKBison]

Me too, but looking back she had her points and I see where she was coming form. Being the hard ass she was might have just been a good thing!



Horrendous memories of meeting with that woman post triple keg...

[1st&TennBison]

If this is out of line for this forum, Tony please delete it. My neighbors son ( who for what it is worth is about 25) was outside the bar when the incident was happening. The neighbor kid said he had no idea what happened inside the bar and does not know how long the incident had been going on outside once he came up on it. What he did tell me was that he saw/heard Beck make a verbal gesture to the kid to stop coming at him (which would seem like he ignored) and that after Beck had hit him and the kid was out (down on the ground) that Beck walked away while one of the kids friends tended to the knocked out kid.
Some FYI, I am in no way stating that this is an indication of how the whole incident went down and I or the neighbor son know what happened before or after the fight or what was going on in their heads. Just that this is what he saw for about 30 seconds. Neighbor son did say, that it seemed to him like Beck made some attempt to get the kid to stop, and that once the kid was down and was no longer what most people might consider a threat Beck left him alone and no longer beat on him and walked away. The neighbor kid did speak to the police, but he did say that even though they did listen to him, they never took a statement from him nor did they want/ask him for his information for any further contact. I do realize this is second hand info, so if it is out of line I apologize and will happily delete this post. I do wish to say IMO that players need to be aware of these things and it could have been handled in a better way, but there are time when it is unavoidable. Hope it does not ruin Becks career if he was just defending himself or he was being backed into a corner so to speak.

[MAKBison]

Why should a student athlete not have to jump through the same hoops as the other students. Athlete or not it should be the same discipline handed out be the same group..



I agree. There are team rules and stipulations. If there is an infraction then its handled internally within the Athletic Dept and the team. After all the facts are brought forward then a determination can be made as to what should be done. If anything at all.

[56BISON73]

The University's intent is not to harm the student by disciplining them it is to reposition the learner so they can mature and be a better person. TB will have an uphill battle on this one, as this is his second incident of resisting and or putting himself in a bad postilion. Concerning its not the schools prerogative....sure it is and if one decides to attend one is saying they accept this fact----no one forced anyone to go to NDSU

Intent is an interesting word. Considering that in fact that the actions of the school will cause harm. Just like the intent of the 2cnd party in the altercation intent was to cause harm to TB. IMO its just a bunch of wordsmithing to justify punishment to supposedly modify behavior. So just call it what it is.
I find it all ludicrous especially when the student and school isnt in session.
We will just have to disagree.

[MAKBison]

If this is out of line for this forum, Tony please delete it. My neighbors son ( who for what it is worth is about 25) was outside the bar when the incident was happening. The neighbor kid said he had no idea what happened inside the bar and does not know how long the incident had been going on outside once he came up on it. What he did tell me was that he saw/heard Beck make a verbal gesture to the kid to stop coming at him (which would seem like he ignored) and that after Beck had hit him and the kid was out (down on the ground) that Beck walked away while one of the kids friends tended to the knocked out kid.
Some FYI, I am in no way stating that this is an indication of how the whole incident went down and I or the neighbor son know what happened before or after the fight or what was going on in their heads. Just that this is what he saw for about 30 seconds. Neighbor son did say, that it seemed to him like Beck made some attempt to get the kid to stop, and that once the kid was down and was no longer what most people might consider a threat Beck left him alone and no longer beat on him and walked away. The neighbor kid did speak to the police, but he did say that even though they did listen to him, they never took a statement from him nor did they want/ask him for his information for any further contact. I do realize this is second hand info, so if it is out of line I apologize and will happily delete this post. I do wish to say IMO that players need to be aware of these things and it could have been handled in a better way, but there are time when it is unavoidable. Hope it does not ruin Becks career if he was just defending himself or he was being backed into a corner so to speak.


If thats true I hope it comes out in court. I hope you NK is able to get his statement heard

[Shadowbison]

[/B]

Unfortunately that's rather hard to believe...Especially if another LB gets the boot/gets hurt...
hurt is one thing, there is nothing that can be done. drinking and fighting is his fault, and could have been prevented. If you want to be mad, be mad at him! He needs to take responsibility for his actions. if we lose another LB this year from injury, then Travis will be missed. but, if we are worried about the depth chart because of this(his actions) then we dont have a very good team, nor do we have young men who are learning anything

[MAKBison]

Maybe....I think they want to know first and foremost if you are a future threat to yourself and or other students. at the same time, sometimes removing one is the best thing for them. I would bet that 90% of punishment is continued education and or counselling.


Intent is an interesting word. Considering that in fact that the actions of the school will cause harm. Just like the intent of the 2cnd party in the altercation intent was to cause harm to TB. IMO its just a bunch of wordsmithing to justify punishment. So just call it what it is.
We will just have to disagree.

[unbison]

Fuck it lets party

[tjbison]

If this is out of line for this forum, Tony please delete it. My neighbors son ( who for what it is worth is about 25) was outside the bar when the incident was happening. The neighbor kid said he had no idea what happened inside the bar and does not know how long the incident had been going on outside once he came up on it. What he did tell me was that he saw/heard Beck make a verbal gesture to the kid to stop coming at him (which would seem like he ignored) and that after Beck had hit him and the kid was out (down on the ground) that Beck walked away while one of the kids friends tended to the knocked out kid.
Some FYI, I am in no way stating that this is an indication of how the whole incident went down and I or the neighbor son know what happened before or after the fight or what was going on in their heads. Just that this is what he saw for about 30 seconds. Neighbor son did say, that it seemed to him like Beck made some attempt to get the kid to stop, and that once the kid was down and was no longer what most people might consider a threat Beck left him alone and no longer beat on him and walked away. The neighbor kid did speak to the police, but he did say that even though they did listen to him, they never took a statement from him nor did they want/ask him for his information for any further contact. I do realize this is second hand info, so if it is out of line I apologize and will happily delete this post. I do wish to say IMO that players need to be aware of these things and it could have been handled in a better way, but there are time when it is unavoidable. Hope it does not ruin Becks career if he was just defending himself or he was being backed into a corner so to speak.

ok, I do have a hard time believing the FPD didn't take a statement, I have personally witnessed several bar fights nd if the police show up they try to talk to everyone maybe my experiences are rare but I doubt they only took one sides story as you make it sound.

[1st&TennBison]

Fuck it lets party

Ok, do you know any good sports bars we can go to.

[56BISON73]

If this is out of line for this forum, Tony please delete it. My neighbors son ( who for what it is worth is about 25) was outside the bar when the incident was happening. The neighbor kid said he had no idea what happened inside the bar and does not know how long the incident had been going on outside once he came up on it. What he did tell me was that he saw/heard Beck make a verbal gesture to the kid to stop coming at him (which would seem like he ignored) and that after Beck had hit him and the kid was out (down on the ground) that Beck walked away while one of the kids friends tended to the knocked out kid.
Some FYI, I am in no way stating that this is an indication of how the whole incident went down and I or the neighbor son know what happened before or after the fight or what was going on in their heads. Just that this is what he saw for about 30 seconds. Neighbor son did say, that it seemed to him like Beck made some attempt to get the kid to stop, and that once the kid was down and was no longer what most people might consider a threat Beck left him alone and no longer beat on him and walked away. The neighbor kid did speak to the police, but he did say that even though they did listen to him, they never took a statement from him nor did they want/ask him for his information for any further contact. I do realize this is second hand info, so if it is out of line I apologize and will happily delete this post. I do wish to say IMO that players need to be aware of these things and it could have been handled in a better way, but there are time when it is unavoidable. Hope it does not ruin Becks career if he was just defending himself or he was being backed into a corner so to speak.

Thanks for the info!!!!!!

[tjbison]

Fuck it lets party

wanna fight........

[HoopsBison]

ok, I do have a hard time believing the FPD didn't take a statement, I have personally witnessed several bar fights nd if the police show up they try to talk to everyone maybe my experiences are rare but I doubt they only took one sides story as you make it sound.

Agreed, not trying to call out Tenn, but that seems to be a stretch. A lot of what you said may have happened but seem a little odd.

[tjbison]

Agreed, not trying to call out Tenn, but that seems to be a stretch. A lot of what you said may have happened but seem a little odd.

I should add I'm not saying he is wrong, but if they did that Beck has to have someone to vouch for him

[MAKBison]

ok, I do have a hard time believing the FPD didn't take a statement, I have personally witnessed several bar fights nd if the police show up they try to talk to everyone maybe my experiences are rare but I doubt they only took one sides story as you make it sound.

Maybe, you never know if your going to get the cop who is there as a true public servant or the DB who has an axe to grind because he was teased back in HS.

[Shadowbison]

If this is out of line for this forum, Tony please delete it. My neighbors son ( who for what it is worth is about 25) was outside the bar when the incident was happening. The neighbor kid said he had no idea what happened inside the bar and does not know how long the incident had been going on outside once he came up on it. What he did tell me was that he saw/heard Beck make a verbal gesture to the kid to stop coming at him (which would seem like he ignored) and that after Beck had hit him and the kid was out (down on the ground) that Beck walked away while one of the kids friends tended to the knocked out kid.
Some FYI, I am in no way stating that this is an indication of how the whole incident went down and I or the neighbor son know what happened before or after the fight or what was going on in their heads. Just that this is what he saw for about 30 seconds. Neighbor son did say, that it seemed to him like Beck made some attempt to get the kid to stop, and that once the kid was down and was no longer what most people might consider a threat Beck left him alone and no longer beat on him and walked away. The neighbor kid did speak to the police, but he did say that even though they did listen to him, they never took a statement from him nor did they want/ask him for his information for any further contact. I do realize this is second hand info, so if it is out of line I apologize and will happily delete this post. I do wish to say IMO that players need to be aware of these things and it could have been handled in a better way, but there are time when it is unavoidable. Hope it does not ruin Becks career if he was just defending himself or he was being backed into a corner so to speak.
your not suggesting a conspiracy by fpd? when i think of the oppressed i dont think of starting LB's fom ndsu

[Bison bison]

Updated story...

According to the police report, witnesses said Beck and Aanenson started arguing in the Sports Bar on NP Avenue. They later met outside and continued to argue.


Beck told police Aanenson tried “to push or punch him.” Beck said he hit back until Aanenson fell to the ground, according to the police report.


Beck was also punched and was bleeding from the mouth.
Police said a third man, Mitchell Havig, struck Beck, but said Havig did so to stop Beck from attacking Aanenson.

[MAKBison]

Thanks for the info!!!!!!

Sure old school rules-----fights over when the other person cannot defend themselves and we both laugh about over a beer when we are done.

[tjbison]

Maybe, you never know if your going to get the cop who is there as a true public servant or the DB who has an axe to grind because he was teased back in HS.

well ok, I know it's entirely possible but seems way out there. doesn't matter anyways we will find out after the court date

[1st&TennBison]

ok, I do have a hard time believing the FPD didn't take a statement, I have personally witnessed several bar fights nd if the police show up they try to talk to everyone maybe my experiences are rare but I doubt they only took one sides story as you make it sound.

For all I know, or the neighbors kid knows, the FPD might have gotten the same story from a number of the others who were there who saw or knew the whole story of what happened and figured they had enough statements that said the same thing. I am in now way trying to make anything sound one way or another or am I arguing for one side or another. Just stating what the neighbors kid saw when I talked to him is all. But I do admit it seems to me that a police officer should take every bit of info from everyone by statement and contact information just in case. Neighbor kid did say he thought there were about 15 people who saw the fight outside when he was there.

[Bison bison]

Mr. Havig is an NDSU graduate.

[MAKBison]

well ok, I know it's entirely possible but seems way out there. doesn't matter anyways we will find out after the court date


Yep, kinda what I was thinking.

[tjbison]

For all I know, or the neighbors kid knows, the FPD might have gotten the same story from a number of the others who were there who saw or knew the whole story of what happened and figured they had enough statements that said the same thing. I am in now way trying to make anything sound one way or another or am I arguing for one side or another. Just stating what the neighbors kid saw when I talked to him is all. But I do admit it seems to me that a police officer should take every bit of info from everyone by statement and contact information just in case. Neighbor kid did say he thought there were about 15 people who saw the fight outside when he was there.

trust me I would have posted the same, I'm just having good discussion. if true then I sure hope all witnesses go to court on his behalf but gain not looking good

[G_Funky]

hurt is one thing, there is nothing that can be done. drinking and fighting is his fault, and could have been prevented. If you want to be mad, be mad at him! He needs to take responsibility for his actions. if we lose another LB this year from injury, then Travis will be missed. but, if we are worried about the depth chart because of this(his actions) then we dont have a very good team, nor do we have young men who are learning anything

Hmmm I'm actually not angry with anyone nor do I feel the small amount of info presented to the public is really worth using as a battering ram to beat this dead horse. No one knows what happened. hell, the kid who got busted up doesnt even know what happened. All I'm saying is that when a 2 year starter and MVP of a natty is removed from the squad thinning out an already thin position group, it's not going to be forgotten in a couple months.

I'm also not saying we can't win without Beck, that's absurd but its not going to be a small dent when you lose the 2nd leading tackler on your defense

[AKBison]

This story is as old as time itself and is the result of testosterone. What do you do when you consider yourself to be one bad and tough dude but nobody believes you? Simple, find the toughest guy in town and pick a fight with him. Easy to see that that a well known linebacker on a dI football team fits the bill pretty well. Results will be as expected and you will get your ass beat. As a young man I went through that phase until I ran into my Travis Beck. Moral of the story? There is always someone tougher but unfortunately there is only one way to learn that lesson. As a married man with kids and a wife I kind of miss all that testosterone!

Now, if Beck picked a fight or continued to beat this guy after he was out of the fight then throw him off the team and then throw the book at him.

[The_Sicatoka]

The problem concerns me; what comes after is what I'm interested in.

Mister Beck apparently learned nothing from his past run-ins with the law.

And he's put Misters Bohl, Taylor, and Bresciani in a most uncomfortable position. They didn't need this as a follow-up to the "failed to complete community service" stories (regarding former NDSU players and fraud charges) of recent days.

[tjbison]

This story is as old as time itself and is the result of testosterone. What do you do when you consider yourself to be one bad and tough dude but nobody believes you? Simple, find the toughest guy in town and pick a fight with him. Easy to see that that a well known linebacker on a dI football team fits the bill pretty well. Results will be as expected and you will get your ass beat. As a young man I went through that phase until I ran into my Travis Beck. Moral of the story? There is always someone tougher but unfortunately there is only one way to learn that lesson. As a married man with kids and a wife I kind of miss all that testosterone!

Now, if Beck picked a fight or continued to beat this guy after he was out of the fight then throw him off the team and then throw the book at him.

well lets be honest if the dude was looking for the biggest badass in Fargo he should have come here first not the sports bar

[CaBisonFan]

I've read the title to this thread and it strikes me that there's an exclamation point there.

Should read...Travis Beck Arrested

It's not...End of Travis Beck's Life, Wow!

We used to joke about how Bison players would come to 'The Barn' and clean house.

Man...the world has changed. Not sure if it's better or worse.

If Travis instigated a brutal beating...then he deserves the weight of the law...especially if he makes a habit of it. If he was a part of a mutual fight...man...there's so many potential levels to this thing.

The story...for now...is...a young man was arrested for beating someone up. Big news...

[westnodak93bison]

It appears there were several witnesses. If I witnessed something like this and the cops showed no interest in documenting my side of the story I'd be pissed.
When does the smart phone video of the fight show up on youtube?

[tjbison]

The problem concerns me; what comes after is what I'm interested in.

Mister Beck apparently learned nothing from his past run-ins with the law.

And he's put Misters Bohl, Taylor, and Bresciani in a most uncomfortable position. They didn't need this as a follow-up to the "failed to complete community service" stories (regarding former NDSU players and fraud charges) of recent days.

dude your hockey program isn't any better and you know it published and un-published so it's best you just lay off

[CaBisonFan]

The problem concerns me; what comes after is what I'm interested in.

Mister Beck apparently learned nothing from his past run-ins with the law.

And he's put Misters Bohl, Taylor, and Bresciani in a most uncomfortable position. They didn't need this as a follow-up to the "failed to complete community service" stories (regarding former NDSU players and fraud charges) of recent days.

You have no real interest in the program.

You support a sport that promotes fighting as a part of its culture. Some is faked...some is brutal. The officials mostly ignore it and pull them apart after letting 'the boys' get some emotions out.

[The_Sicatoka]

dude your hockey program isn't any better and you know it published and un-published so it's best you just lay off

I made a similar statement when four UND hockey players had alcohol violations at the end of this school year (after having had issues at the start of the year).

[CAS4127]

If this is out of line for this forum, Tony please delete it. My neighbors son ( who for what it is worth is about 25) was outside the bar when the incident was happening. The neighbor kid said he had no idea what happened inside the bar and does not know how long the incident had been going on outside once he came up on it. What he did tell me was that he saw/heard Beck make a verbal gesture to the kid to stop coming at him (which would seem like he ignored) and that after Beck had hit him and the kid was out (down on the ground) that Beck walked away while one of the kids friends tended to the knocked out kid.
Some FYI, I am in no way stating that this is an indication of how the whole incident went down and I or the neighbor son know what happened before or after the fight or what was going on in their heads. Just that this is what he saw for about 30 seconds. Neighbor son did say, that it seemed to him like Beck made some attempt to get the kid to stop, and that once the kid was down and was no longer what most people might consider a threat Beck left him alone and no longer beat on him and walked away. The neighbor kid did speak to the police, but he did say that even though they did listen to him, they never took a statement from him nor did they want/ask him for his information for any further contact. I do realize this is second hand info, so if it is out of line I apologize and will happily delete this post. I do wish to say IMO that players need to be aware of these things and it could have been handled in a better way, but there are time when it is unavoidable. Hope it does not ruin Becks career if he was just defending himself or he was being backed into a corner so to speak.

This!! He needs to contact Beck's attorney, or let me know via pm of name and I will make connections. Telling you peeps there is way more to story--way more!!


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[CAS4127]

I made a similar statement when four UND hockey players had alcohol violations at the end of this school year (after having had issues at the start of the year).

If I were you, I would stay the eff out of this one--just don't go there!!


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[onbison09]

You have no real interest in the program.

You support a sport that promotes fighting as a part of its culture. Some is faked...some is brutal. The officials mostly ignore it and pull them apart after letting 'the boys' get some emotions out.

That's not true! But whatever.

When does anything good come from fighting?

[CaBisonFan]

Just saying that there are many different levels of fights in hockey. Some are more violent.

[tjbison]

That's not true! But whatever.

When does anything good come from fighting?

I'm not sure but are you missing the point or am I?

[1998braves64]

I'll say this--and just using your post as segue--sometimes you just get pressed to the point of no return. It happens!! There is more to this story--trust me. Not saying guy deserved to be knocked out, but it does happen in fights, especially when alcohol is involved. Been there done that. I can say this, this was a mutual decision to fight, not Beck's alone. No one at actual scene called it in. Mutual combat. This should get decreased or dismissed, or go to trial. This so-called victim knew what he was getting into and ended up with short end of stick. That happens all the time. He will be just fine, but will have bruised pride and will never eff with anyone again Is my guess. Ya, I am defending Travis because this shit needs to stop--meaning leave us alone!!


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This!! He needs to contact Beck's attorney, or let me know via pm of name and I will make connections. Telling you peeps there is way more to story--way more!!


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I would guess CAS has personal experience with this. Seems like the type of guy little testosterone driven young men would be driven to pick on. I could see anyone who is jealous of the attention TB did get and thinking well he's gotten in trouble with drinking before and maybe that is what the argument was about... But I have to imagine as a high profile person in Fargo going into a bar with a bunch of liquored up people who may or may not be your "friend" would put yourself in a situation that would cause a person to lash out. Some of these little man people just don't know when to stop pestering someone... if I pestered someone too much I could see it in their eyes but then I don't drink so I don't have that clouding my judgement. If this was the case and TennBison's grandma's neighbors cat's previous owners son collaborates that story... To me it will come down to whether his lawyer can get the acquittal and he'll be back on the team with "X"? game suspension. If he's proven guilty he's gone no matter his story imo (which is sad). To me some of these punks need to be taught a lesson, unfortunately too many of them are making it into the "real world" now and screwing it up for the rest of us because they seem to have this entitlement of protection for some odd reason... in the end now who really did win the fight? TB or this Matt kid? TB may have won the first battle but these next ones are going to be tough to win (even if the aforementioned story holds water). In the end Matt kid gets off with bruised pride, in the olden days that was a shameful thing now days means nothing.

I say this saying it was a dumb thing to be in a fight at 2:30 am after drinking... or even going drinking without a support group that would keep you from doing something that may reflect badly on you. Either way hope he learned his lesson... yet again. No way to enforce it but dang man you'd think Bohl would start a no alcohol policy until you graduate or stay at home and drink policy. FB team doesn't need this crap every year.

[CAS4127]

I would guess CAS has personal experience with this. Seems like the type of guy little testosterone driven young men would be driven to pick on. I could see anyone who is jealous of the attention TB did get and thinking well he's gotten in trouble with drinking before and maybe that is what the argument was about... But I have to imagine as a high profile person in Fargo going into a bar with a bunch of liquored up people who may or may not be your "friend" would put yourself in a situation that would cause a person to lash out. Some of these little man people just don't know when to stop pestering someone... if I pestered someone too much I could see it in their eyes but then I don't drink so I don't have that clouding my judgement. If this was the case and TennBison's grandma's neighbors cat's previous owners son collaborates that story... To me it will come down to whether his lawyer can get the acquittal and he'll be back on the team with "X"? game suspension. If he's proven guilty he's gone no matter his story imo (which is sad). To me some of these punks need to be taught a lesson, unfortunately too many of them are making it into the "real world" now and screwing it up for the rest of us because they seem to have this entitlement of protection for some odd reason... in the end now who really did win the fight? TB or this Matt kid? TB may have won the first battle but these next ones are going to be tough to win (even if the aforementioned story holds water). In the end Matt kid gets off with bruised pride, in the olden days that was a shameful thing now days means nothing.

I say this saying it was a dumb thing to be in a fight at 2:30 am after drinking... or even going drinking without a support group that would keep you from doing something that may reflect badly on you. Either way hope he learned his lesson... yet again. No way to enforce it but dang man you'd think Bohl would start a no alcohol policy until you graduate or stay at home and drink policy. FB team doesn't need this crap every year.

This--especially the ending!! This shit used to happen to me all the time and, for most part I held off, but not all the time. There are losers out there who will take the beating just to mess things up--sacrificial lambs if you will!!

Ya, as a former LB this pisses me off--wish I would have been there!!


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[onbison09]

I'm not sure but are you missing the point or am I?

I was talking about fighting at a bar. I can defend hockey fights but I'm sure the collective GASF = 0

[CaBisonFan]

I was talking about fighting at a bar. I can defend hockey fights but I'm sure the collective GASF = 0

You can defend hockey fights? If there's a zero-tolerance for fighting or violence outside of the arena for one sport...why is it acceptable in the arena of another sport?

[BisonFan02]

You can defend hockey fights? If there's a zero-tolerance for fighting or violence outside of the arena for one sport...why is it acceptable in the arena of another sport?

You mean like intentionally hitting a batter in baseball? As a former pitcher, I've NEVER done that of course...*






*there is a poster or two on here who could confirm

[344Johnson]

Really? So please tell me why NDSU should have any say over you getting a DUI in the state of Mn or ND in July when you arent in school?

Because my actions as an individual should impact my status as a student at North Dakota State University. If I do something stupid in July, it shouldn't be a big deal, yet my action in August should be? I see your point, I just disagree. I am sure you can punch holes in my way of thinking.


i guess it probably comes from a point that he is on an athletic scholarship and that means he really is representing and using the State facilities year round? Just my opinion but if your part of a team is it that hard if you want to succeed to keep your nose clean for 5 years? I'm just asking PL but I do feel the University should impose a punishment on a scholarship athlete, but also would a scholarship band member be treated the same?

My cousin's girlfriend got a score on her ACT that provides her with a full ride, I can ask her to review her scholarship as far as crimes go. Perhaps she can give me some insight.


You defend yourself to the point that you know that the other person cant hurt you.

I agree to this, at the very least to a certain point, at what point do we know the other person can't hurt us? Get them down on the ground and under control, down on the ground and unconscious, or down on the ground and dead?

[CaBisonFan]

You mean like intentionally hitting a batter in baseball? As a former pitcher, I've NEVER done that of course...*






*there is a poster or two on here who could confirm

I'm agreeing...or like a baseball brawl...

Yeah...I pitched too.

Still...the hockey fights have something a little different about them. People pay big money to see it...and expect it.

[BisonFan02]

I'm agreeing...or like a baseball brawl...

Yeah...I pitched too.

Still...the hockey fights have something a little different about them.

Eliminate the fights, and you would have more liberties taken on star players...that being said, the NHL also markets the violence and it won't be going away any time soon.