Travis Beck Pilloried in the Media

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

Got to go to bed. Up too late again tonight. Will be able to catch more tomorrow when Heitkamp and McFeely have a field day with it. I'm sure they are so giddy over this they won't be able to sleep tonight.

TB will be hard to replace if he gets the boot. This sucks.

On the bright side, I caught bunch of walleye's tonight.

Later...............

[56BISON73]

Got to go to bed. Up too late again tonight. Will be able to catch more tomorrow when Heitkamp and McFeely have a field day with it. I'm sure they are so giddy over this they won't be able to sleep tonight.

TB will be hard to replace if he gets the boot. This sucks.

On the bright side, I caught bunch of walleye's tonight.

Later...............

Where?????

[The Lost Dutchman]

I think some people are missing the boat saying he got arrested for beating someone up. He got arrested for knocking a person unconscious, he didn't just simply beat them up he caused severe bodily harm. If it was a simple fight where punches where just punches were thrown, no one would have gone to jail.

[onbison09]

You can defend hockey fights? If there's a zero-tolerance for fighting or violence outside of the arena for one sport...why is it acceptable in the arena of another sport?

Yep. They can change the momentum of a game and there is a code to them. I've seen many times were guys have said to stop and the other guy did. Plus if another guy doesn't follow the code, the fight will be stopped by the refs. If a guy gets the upper hand, it will be stopped by the refs.

But regardless this is dumb as hell to be arguing about in a thread like this. Apologies to everyone else :hide:. I don't expect people who aren't hockey fans to get it. It's kinda like beaning a player in baseball.

[MontBison]

Not that I'm condoning his behavior but the dude that got "beaten" was at rib Fest Saturday night....

[HerdBot]

Not that I'm condoning his behavior but the dude that got "beaten" was at rib Fest Saturday night....

And according to Lakes, both of the guys involved in the fight mysteriously deleted their Facebook accounts.

[56BISON73]

I think some people are missing the boat saying he got arrested for beating someone up. He got arrested for knocking a person unconscious, he didn't just simply beat them up he caused severe bodily harm. If it was a simple fight where punches where just punches were thrown, no one would have gone to jail.

Simple fight????

[BisonFan02]

And according to Lakes, both of the guys involved in the fight mysteriously deleted their Facebook accounts.

I thought you were taking a break? Call off the amber alert.

[MontBison]

And according to Lakes, both of the guys involved in the fight mysteriously deleted their Facebook accounts.

Well lakes is wrong.

[1998braves64]

I think some people are missing the boat saying he got arrested for beating someone up. He got arrested for knocking a person unconscious, he didn't just simply beat them up he caused severe bodily harm. If it was a simple fight where punches where just punches were thrown, no one would have gone to jail.

Up until maybe 20-30 years ago someone got knocked out in a bar fight they pretty much got left on the curb and considered to have lost the fight the winner moved on with their life. Obviously in this day and age of lawsuits the police can't turn a blind eye anymore because they're not protecting the citizens. How many local cops give kids a ride home if they're caught drinking now days? Hear stories all the time of this happening in the not so distant past.

Really it's a liability thing the cops once called have to do something otherwise they (whoever) run into liability (lawsuits by the family of the "victim") issue. From what the Forum is reporting from police reports is that Beck knocked (1,2 or 3 punches?? doesn't say) him unconscious and walked away, police reports are derived from statement(s). A well conditioned athlete like Beck probably could knock some average joe unconscious with 1 or 2 punches. So no I wouldn't consider that a beating... A beating is when someone gets knocked unconscious and then that person jumps on them on the ground and throws in 10 more punches.

Regardless still a stupid mistake by someone who had a lot to lose and now many of his teammates are going to have to live with that also.

[HerdBot]

I thought you were taking a break? Call off the amber alert.

I got a bunch of PMS from people who apparently like my posts and asked me if I'll keep posting. This topic is too interesting tostay away

[EndZoneQB]

I think some people are missing the boat saying he got arrested for beating someone up. He got arrested for knocking a person unconscious, he didn't just simply beat them up he caused severe bodily harm. If it was a simple fight where punches where just punches were thrown, no one would have gone to jail.

SWINNGGGG and a MISSSSSSSSS. That kid obviously had a glass jaw and fell like a sack of potatoes. Let's call a spade a spade. Fights don't happen like they do in movies with 15 minutes of punches and kicks exchanged. Generally the first straight jaw shot by someone as fit as Beck is enough for a KO. If you know you can't go blow to blow with someone, it's generally a "wrestling match" started with a tackle. Stay out of someone's reach and you won't get KO'd.

Bottom line, I guarantee this wasn't a "beating" on anything other than the other kid's ego. It was only excessive because the dude feel like a tree. It happens. Kids get their ass kicked sometimes. Still doesn't make it ok.


Well lakes is wrong.

Whatever, they made them private then. Same thing.

[56BISON73]

I got a bunch of PMS from people who apparently like my posts and asked me if I'll keep posting. This topic is too interesting tostay away

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[OrygunBison]

I got a bunch of PMS from people who apparently like my posts and asked me if I'll keep posting. This topic is too interesting tostay away

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[BisonFan02]

:rofl::rofl:

See, the amber alert worked...the NDSU Sports Block did their good deed for the day.

[HerdBot]

SWINNGGGG and a MISSSSSSSSS. That kid obviously had a glass jaw and fell like a sack of potatoes. Let's call a spade a spade. Fights don't happen like they do in movies with 15 minutes of punches and kicks exchanged. Generally the first straight jaw shot by someone as fit as Beck is enough for a KO. If you know you can't go blow to blow with someone, it's generally a "wrestling match" started with a tackle. Stay out of someone's reach and you won't get KO'd.

Bottom line, I guarantee this wasn't a "beating" on anything other than the other kid's ego. It was only excessive because the dude feel like a tree.



Whatever, they made them private then. Same thing.

Well put. Maybe Beck didn't realize his own strength.
I wonder why the 3rd guy involved felt the need to "protect" a 6-6 man who used to play center and power forward. Seems odd to me. I would typically worry about the 6-1 guy if I saw some random strangers fighting, unless of course the big guy was my friend. Sounds like Beck was outnumbered in friends who were witnesses

[OrygunBison]

Well put. Maybe Beck didn't realize his own strength.
I wonder why the 3rd guy involved felt the need to "protect" a 6-6 man who used to play center and power forward. Seems odd to me. I would typically worry about the 6-1 guy if I saw some random strangers fighting, unless of course the big guy was my friend. Sounds like Beck was outnumbered in friends who were witnesses

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[tjbison]

Well lakes is wrong.

it can't be.....

[344Johnson]

I sincerely hope the downtown camera shows that Mr. Beck just did what he had to do. Wouldn't that be neat if we were all worrying about nothing eh?

[tjbison]

Well put. Maybe Beck didn't realize his own strength.
I wonder why the 3rd guy involved felt the need to "protect" a 6-6 man who used to play center and power forward. Seems odd to me. I would typically worry about the 6-1 guy if I saw some random strangers fighting, unless of course the big guy was my friend. Sounds like Beck was outnumbered in friends who were witnesses

are you speculating or stating fact?

[56BISON73]

are you speculating or stating fact?

If its a scenario its completely alright.:biggrin:

[OrygunBison]

are you speculating or stating fact?

What he meant to say is " brickcolumnskibbydomebrickremovecolumnsbrickbrickb rick". So that about seals it. Now that Gabe has solved this discussion, we can move on to other things like the indoor practice facility.

[ndsubison1]

"Attempts to talk to Beck during evening visiting hours at the Cass County Jail were unsuccessful."

......................... no shit

[ndsubison1]

Bisonville help me on this.Didn't the Man Bear Pig get himself into a pickle like this last year? Yet he was still playing in Dec and committing game changing penalties:facepalm:

i dont know what this even means...

[ndsubison1]

Wow, so you believe Travis should have his future destroyed because he was at some level intoxicated and made a terrible decision, which I'm guessing he deeply regrets. I truly believe if all is true he should be kicked from the team and go under investigation by student life. But to just automatically kick him out of school I disagree with.

i dont care if he's a starter. i dont care if the guy threatened his family this whole thing reminds me of the Luke Martinez incident in Wyoming. There should be some consequences

[56BISON73]

i dont care if he's a starter. i dont care if the guy threatened his family. he beat a guy unconscious. this whole thing reminds me of the Luke Martinez incident in Wyoming. He should never see the field for NDSU again

So it would have been better to let the other guy beat him unconscious? And its Becks fault because the other guy couldnt take a punch?

[ndsubison1]

I have never understood how you can discipline a student for something that didnt happen within the school year.

cuz theyre still a student

[56BISON73]

cuz theyre still a student

So what???? How does the school have the reach to monitor a kid when hes home for the summer?

[ndsubison1]

The problem concerns me; what comes after is what I'm interested in.

Mister Beck apparently learned nothing from his past run-ins with the law.

And he's put Misters Bohl, Taylor, and Bresciani in a most uncomfortable position. They didn't need this as a follow-up to the "failed to complete community service" stories (regarding former NDSU players and fraud charges) of recent days.

i agree they put them in an uncomfortable postition. except none of those failed community service guys are current players

[ndsubison1]

So what???? How does the school have the reach to monitor a kid when hes home for the summer?


cuz hes enrolled in classes in the fall.... oh yeah and hes an athlete

[56BISON73]

cuz hes enrolled in classes in the fall.... oh yeah and hes an athlete

This isnt the fall semester, so what is the legal PRECEDENCE that allows a school to have oversight of students actions when school isnt in session?

[ndsubison1]

So it would have been better to let the other guy beat him unconscious? And its Becks fault because the other guy couldnt take a punch?

what??????

[56BISON73]

what??????

You cant read?

[ndsubison1]

This isnt the fall semester, so what is the legal PRECEDENCE that allows a school to have oversight of students actions when school isnt in session?

no. it's the summer. but hes enrolled. if a teacher commits a serious crime but isnt teaching in the summer ndsu has no right to fire them? same thing................................. /argument

[ndsubison1]

You cant read?

what???????

[56BISON73]

no. it's the summer. but hes enrolled. if a teacher commits a serious crime but isnt teaching in the summer ndsu has no right to fire them? same thing................................. /argument

No its not the same thing and you know it.

Again---- Please state the legal PRECEDENCE to have that power over the students. If you dont know what PRECEDENCE means I will help you out.

[tjbison]

No its not the same thing and you know it.

Again---- Please state the legal PRECEDENCE to have that power over the students. If you dont know what PRECEDENCE means I will help you out.


PL are you really defending him??

[Elvis was a Bison]

I got a bunch of PMS from people who apparently like my posts and asked me if I'll keep posting. This topic is too interesting tostay away

I call "bullshit" on this one.

[Grizzled]

This isnt the fall semester, so what is the legal PRECEDENCE that allows a school to have oversight of students actions when school isnt in session?

I don't know if there is a legal precedence but a Bison football player is part of the team year round. They respresent the team year round, you don't seperate them from that when the season is over. If this was Beck's first run in I'd be ok but it seems lately that those we read about in the papers as "Bison Football Players" have been in there before. The lesson is not being learned the first time and thats disappointing.

And PL if your suggesting that during the summer the players should be allowed to do what they want without punishment, I can't agree with that. If he is found guilty and the school comes out and says they cant punish him because it was summer, I will know where Gene and Craig stand on some of these issues.

[Bison Dan]

I made a similar statement when four UND hockey players had alcohol violations at the end of this school year (after having had issues at the start of the year).You mean the hazing incident that the police, school and AD dept overlooked. Sad - someone actually was hurt and when to the hospital.

[G_Funky]

I don't know if there is a legal precedence but a Bison football player is part of the team year round. They respresent the team year round, you don't seperate them from that when the season is over. If this was Beck's first run in I'd be ok but it seems lately that those we read about in the papers as "Bison Football Players" have been in there before. The lesson is not being learned the first time and thats disappointing.

And PL if your suggesting that during the summer the players should be allowed to do what they want without punishment, I can't agree with that. If he is found guilty and the school comes out and says they cant punish him because it was summer, I will know where Gene and Craig stand on some of these issues.

I haven't found a post saying there shouldnt be action taken by the athletic dept, as a matter of fact most people are calling for his head if he is guilty (booted from the team, permanently kicked off, etc)...the issue at hand is the authority the school has to remove a student from the university when the student is not currently taking classes. I know Beck is an athlete and a high profile one at that, but athletics and academics are two separate entities that should not collaborate on a decision like this when school is not in session...

[daddy daycare]

i dont care if he's a starter. i dont care if the guy threatened his family. he beat a guy unconscious. this whole thing reminds me of the Luke Martinez incident in Wyoming. He should never see the field for NDSU again

Martinez booted a guys head who had been laying there knocked out for awhile. That's garbage on all accounts. If beck one punched a kid wo then fell to the ground and let it be its a whole new deal.

Not defending just waiting for the details to emerge.

[daddy daycare]

By the way, any word on how the kid is doing?

[gotts]

Bisonville help me on this.Didn't the Man Bear Pig get himself into a pickle like this last year? Yet he was still playing in Dec and committing game changing penalties:facepalm:


i dont know what this even means...

Brent Russell?

http://savannahnow.com/sports/2012-11-05/georgia-southerns-brent-russell-arrested-suspended-football-team-indefinitely

It should be noted, though, that Russell only faced charges of disorderly conduct and obstruction of a law officer.

[GCWaters]

This isnt the fall semester, so what is the legal PRECEDENCE that allows a school to have oversight of students actions when school isnt in session?

Student code of content is pretty broad on this:

For. the. purpose. of. this. document,. “student”. is. de- fined.as.any.individual.who.has.been.admitted.to.t he. university,. was. previously. enrolled. in. the. university,.
uses. university. resources. for. purposes. related. to. the. university’s. educational. mission,. including,. but. not. limited. to,. performing. research. and. taking. classes.. Visitors. attending. an. on-campus. event. also. may. be. covered.under.this.code..Students.no.longer.enroll ed. in.the.university.may.be.held.accountable.under.th is. code. for. those. offenses. committed. after. they. were. admitted. and. before. they. left. the. university.. Student. organizations. are. held. to. the. same. behavioral. stan- dards.that.apply.to.individual.students.

[GCWaters]

Sorry for the periods!!

[NDSUstudent]

So what???? How does the school have the reach to monitor a kid when hes home for the summer?

PL if a student becomes a felon over the summer it is a pretty big deal and the university has every right to punish them how they see fit. Of course Beck still hasn't had his day in court so I'll put down my torch and pitchfork and wait to see how it plays out. But if convicted he should gone from the team and the university.

[NorthernBison]

By the way, any word on how the kid is doing?

The Forum story said he was no longer a patient at Sanford as of yesterday afternoon. So, he's not in a coma or anything like that.

I find it odd that he remembers NOTHING about the incident. Really? He was a primary participant. His friend, who punched Travis in the face, seems to be the primary witness here. Although it does say there are several witnesses who described Travis as the aggressor. That might make sense if there were two people squaring off against you in a parking lot.

I guess we'll see what happens. The Police have video so I expect them to figure it out.

Finally, Travis will NOT get railroaded by the system on this. IF he has any legitimate legal defense, he has the attorney that will make sure of that.

[perthbison]

By the way, any word on how the kid is doing?He was a big, dumb trouble maker a week ago and he still is now.:biggrin:

[CAS4127]

Northern: Who did Travis hire, Bruce Quick?


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[EndZoneQB]

Northern: Who did Travis hire, Bruce Quick?


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Lol, that'd be my guess as well.

[devin45k]

I personally know Mr. Havig and from past experiences drinking with him, I know that he acts pretty obnoxious when he drinks.

[NorthernBison]

Northern: Who did Travis hire, Bruce Quick?


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Sorry if I made it sound like I have any inside knowledge. I assumed Bruce since he represented him last Summer/Fall.

[bisonaudit]

There were some non sense hockey analogies overnight but I didn't see this one raised re: Mr. Havig

46.16 Third Man In - A game misconduct penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, shall be imposed on any player who is the first to intervene (third man in) in an altercation already in progress except when a match penalty is being imposed in the original altercation. This penalty is in addition to any other penalties incurred in the same incident.

[runtheoption]

There were some non sense hockey analogies overnight but I didn't see this one raised re: Mr. Havig

46.16 Third Man In - A game misconduct penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, shall be imposed on any player who is the first to intervene (third man in) in an altercation already in progress except when a match penalty is being imposed in the original altercation. This penalty is in addition to any other penalties incurred in the same incident. Stunt c*ck?

[KSBisonFan]

I got a bunch of PMS from people who apparently like my posts and asked me if I'll keep posting. This topic is too interesting to stay away

Again with the speculation. Someday, when I grow up, I hope I'm as smart and important as you....

[CaBisonFan]

There were some non sense hockey analogies overnight but I didn't see this one raised re: Mr. Havig

46.16 Third Man In - A game misconduct penalty, at the discretion of the Referee, shall be imposed on any player who is the first to intervene (third man in) in an altercation already in progress except when a match penalty is being imposed in the original altercation. This penalty is in addition to any other penalties incurred in the same incident.

......nonsense......

[CaBisonFan]

Yep. They can change the momentum of a game and there is a code to them. I've seen many times were guys have said to stop and the other guy did. Plus if another guy doesn't follow the code, the fight will be stopped by the refs. If a guy gets the upper hand, it will be stopped by the refs.

But regardless this is dumb as hell to be arguing about in a thread like this. Apologies to everyone else :hide:. I don't expect people who aren't hockey fans to get it. It's kinda like beaning a player in baseball.

Was responding to a und puck. It requires a certain level of stupidity.

[CAS4127]

For all I know, or the neighbors kid knows, the FPD might have gotten the same story from a number of the others who were there who saw or knew the whole story of what happened and figured they had enough statements that said the same thing. I am in now way trying to make anything sound one way or another or am I arguing for one side or another. Just stating what the neighbors kid saw when I talked to him is all. But I do admit it seems to me that a police officer should take every bit of info from everyone by statement and contact information just in case. Neighbor kid did say he thought there were about 15 people who saw the fight outside when he was there.

Don't assume anything, period.

[bisonmike2]

Sorry if I made it sound like I have any inside knowledge. I assumed Bruce since he represented him last Summer/Fall.

Maybe he has a buy one get one free defense groupon or something?

[Bison"FANatic"]

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out on the legal side once all the facts are learned. More than likely dropped down to a misdemeanor.

Unfortunately he still made the decision to "take it outside" and I don't see Bohl and Taylor looking to highly of that.

[NDSU '96]

Percent chance Beck plays a down in the 2013 season?

[CAS4127]

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out on the legal side once all the facts are learned. More than likely dropped down to a misdemeanor.

Unfortunately he still made the decision to "take it outside" and I don't see Bohl and Taylor looking to highly of that.

Bar was closing.

[Bison Dan]

Coach Bohl has a thing about his players fighting. Beck better be in the right or he's done.

[JSUBison]

Coach Bohl has a thing about his players fighting. Beck better be in the right or he's done.

Even if he is in the right on knocking that guy the fugg out, I think the misdemeanor resisting the cop charge could be what does him in. A bit harder to defend that I think.

[MNLonghorn10]

Percent chance Beck plays a down in the 2013 season?

0.0

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[BisonJD]

I don't why everyone is so upset. Our transition to D-1 is now complete! We are finally recruiting the athletes we need to compete at the highest level of CFB! 80s Miami, 90s Nebraska, and SMU - you are all on notice.

[MontBison]

By the way, any word on how the kid is doing?

He was at Rib Fest Saturday night. I'd say he got one punched

[NDSU '96]

Even if he is in the right on knocking that guy the fugg out, I think the misdemeanor resisting the cop charge could be what does him in. A bit harder to defend that I think.You may be right, although I'm skeptical GT or Bohl will be eager to enter into a public debate about the rightness of a bison player, under the influence of alcohol, knocking out another drunk guy on the street.

[bri-dog]

Well, I've kept quiet through 319 posts, mostly because I don't have anything to say right now (I know that doesn't stop a few of you):duel::biggrin:

But a couple points:

BisonFan02, I never saw you pitch, but since I played baseball with your dad in Midgets, Pee Wee, Babe Ruth, High School, and Legion, and knowing that the apple never falls far from the tree -- I can imagine you brushed back a hitter or two.

And Shadowbison, you seem positive that Travis started the fight just because you can't imagine him being bullied. Well, I wouldn't mess with him either, but hey, I'm a pacifist. But one thing I've learned in my 53 years, and more than a few times in bars over the last 36 years, is that no matter how big a guy is or how "tough" he's perceived, it's NEVER hard to find someone who thinks he's tougher.

Interesting topic for sure, but I'm not going to defend OR condemn TB until I hear more details.

And that's all I have to say about that. [/ Forrest Gump]

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

Percent chance Beck plays a down in the 2013 season?

9.93% according to my calculations

[NorthernBison]

Percent chance Beck plays a down in the 2013 season?

I'll go to the other extreme. 100%.

[G_Funky]

What do you think happens to Beck if the charges are reduced or dropped all together?

Im sure if the charges are reduced there will be a rather hefty punishment...I assume the whole season but could see 5-6 games. If the charges are dropped I still see some type of suspension coming his way but it will be interesting to see how long. Personally I think a 3-4 game suspension would be fair. Based on what GT said after the petition gate issue, this situation seems to fall right in with the "unacceptable" behavior he listed off. Even if all charges are dropped, he still KO'd a kid...Outside of actual playing time I think the athletic dept/football staff should take a hard look at what they can do to keep him out of trouble if/when he is reinstated (required to stay on campus, morning breathalizers, random walk throughs by the coaches, curfew checks, etc)

[EricB]

Coach Bohl has a thing about his players fighting. Beck better be in the right or he's done.
Felony Assault... Knocked someone out, this one is going to be hard to make right, this is going to be a media night mare for the Bison football team.

[BisonNeil]

I have never understood how you can discipline a student for something that didnt happen within the school year.

Excerpted from the NDSU Student Code of Conduct, which all students sign and agree to adhere to when they matriculate:

Purpose:
Respect for the Protection and Rights of Others
A community respecting the protection and rights of others is necessary to provide a positive
and enriching educational environment. Behaviors that inhibit the educational process are of
concern, whether they occur on or off university premises.

5. Respect for the Protection
and Rights of Others
The purpose of this section is to communicate the
value the university places on respect for the protection
and rights of others.

5.4 Aggravated Assault
Aggravated assault, an unwanted touching by one
person upon another in which the offender uses a
form of weapon or displays it in a threatening manner,
or the victim suffers obvious severe or aggravated
bodily injury, is prohibited.

[BisonNeil]

Really? So please tell me why NDSU should have any say over you getting a DUI in the state of Mn or ND in July when you arent in school?

If he is paticipating in summer workouts, he is enrolled in a PE class, which is why the strength coaches are allowed to work eith them. So, Beck was enrolled in summer school if he was participating in summer work outs.

[Bison Dan]

IMO charges will be dropped. Heard the video shows the other guy as the aggressor with Beck holding his hands up and backing away. It's a funny world we live in that if you get into a fight and win - you lose. How come the loser never goes to jail?

[NorthernBison]

IMO charges will be dropped. Heard the video shows the other guy as the aggressor with Beck holding his hands up and backing away. It's a funny world we live in that if you get into a fight and win - you lose. How come the loser never goes to jail?

If that's true, this better be ended QUICKLY.

[Bisonator98]

IMO charges will be dropped. Heard the video shows the other guy as the aggressor with Beck holding his hands up and backing away. It's a funny world we live in that if you get into a fight and win - you lose. How come the loser never goes to jail?

If that is indeed true, I don't see how he could be charged in the first place.

[THEsocalledfan]

IMO charges will be dropped. Heard the video shows the other guy as the aggressor with Beck holding his hands up and backing away. It's a funny world we live in that if you get into a fight and win - you lose. How come the loser never goes to jail?

It sure would be nice to have some good news for a change. But, I will only believe this when the charges are dropped and Beck is reinstated; nothing ever goes this well for NDSU.

[tony]

IMO charges will be dropped. Heard the video shows the other guy as the aggressor with Beck holding his hands up and backing away. It's a funny world we live in that if you get into a fight and win - you lose. How come the loser never goes to jail?

That's why you don't get into bar fights if you can possibly avoid it.

If you win, you go to jail.
If you lose, you go to the hospital.
If you tie, you both get disorderly conducts.

[westnodak93bison]

If it was self defense then he shouldn't be suspended at all IMHO.

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[tjbison]

If that is indeed true, I don't see how he could be charged in the first place.

way off topic here, but with the news we found out today I vote you change your username

carry on.....

[onbison09]

IMO charges will be dropped. Heard the video shows the other guy as the aggressor with Beck holding his hands up and backing away. It's a funny world we live in that if you get into a fight and win - you lose. How come the loser never goes to jail?

Nobody wins in bar fights.

[BisonNeil]

USA Today on Beck arrest:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/mvc/2013/06/10/north-dakota-state-travis-beck-arrest/2410129/

ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9363390/north-dakota-state-lb-charged-aggravated-assault

SI:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130610/north-dakota-state-player-charged-with-assault.ap/?sct=uk_t2_a10

TSN:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/news/news.aspx?id=4600200

Looks like the SportingNews is one of the few that has not yet covered it.

[Bisonator98]

way off topic here, but with the news we found out today I vote you change your username

carry on.....

Did I miss something?

[MNLonghorn10]

USA Today on Beck arrest:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/mvc/2013/06/10/north-dakota-state-travis-beck-arrest/2410129/

ESPN:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9363390/north-dakota-state-lb-charged-aggravated-assault

SI:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130610/north-dakota-state-player-charged-with-assault.ap/?sct=uk_t2_a10

TSN:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/news/news.aspx?id=4600200

Looks like the SportingNews is one of the few that has not yet covered it.

Pretty sure those are the same articles

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[EndZoneQB]

If that is indeed true, I don't see how he could be charged in the first place.

That is NOT the PD's job to determine.

[onbison09]

Did I miss something?

http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?30383-TheBisonator

[tony]

way off topic here, but with the news we found out today I vote you change your username

carry on.....

I'd hate to see that happen (i.e. Bisonator98 changing his username.) There will always only be one TheBisonator, just as there will always only be one Bisonator98.

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

What do you think happens if they figure it was the guy in the hospital that instigated it and Beck is not at blame???

[Bisonator98]

http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?30383-TheBisonator

My condolences to his family.

Still not sure what that has to do with my username though. I'm quite sure there are other usernames like it.

[Bisonator98]

What do you think happens if they figure it was the guy in the hospital that instigated it and Beck is not at blame???

I still think he gets suspended for a couple games, but that would definitely be the "best case scenario".

[GOBISON123]

We standby our bison, hell or highwater.

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

We standby our bison, hell or highwater.
You hit the jackpot with that statement.

[BisonAccountant44]

IMO charges will be dropped. Heard the video shows the other guy as the aggressor with Beck holding his hands up and backing away. It's a funny world we live in that if you get into a fight and win - you lose. How come the loser never goes to jail?

The sad part is, even if this is 100% true, now that this has happened what most of the Fargo public is going think/remember is that "some NDSU football player beat a guy up and got away with it."

It could probably be argued that for DB, GT, and even CB's sake that it would be easier in the big picture for Travis to be guilty. That way, after petition gate, they could show that "stars" are punished when they deserve it.

In no way does that mean that I hope or want TB to be guilty of the charges against him, it is the complete opposite, I'm just pointing out again how much of a lose lose situation the entire athletic department and University have been put into just because this happened in the first place.

[BisonNeil]

Pretty sure those are the same articles

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Of course they are, for the most part, but that's not the point. Nearly every major college football site within the major sport news websites is carrying the story. Most, if not all, rarely cover anything other than BCS football with occasional FBS football. But, they couldn't resist this story because it is about the two-time FCS champion. In other words, now the whole college football world knows NDSUs problems. It's just too bad, especially if it all goes away with video evidence.

[EndZoneQB]

Of course they are, for the most part, but that's not the point. Nearly every major college football site within the major sport news websites is carrying the story. Most, if not all, rarely cover anything other than BCS football with occasional FBS football. But, they couldn't resist this story because it is about the two-time FCS champion. In other words, now the whole college football world knows NDSUs problems. It's just too bad, especially if it all goes away with video evidence.

Relax. A ton of stories of ours get picked up on the AP wire, you just don't go searching around for it because why would you waste your time 99% of the time?

[56BISON73]

I don't know if there is a legal precedence but a Bison football player is part of the team year round. They respresent the team year round, you don't seperate them from that when the season is over. If this was Beck's first run in I'd be ok but it seems lately that those we read about in the papers as "Bison Football Players" have been in there before. The lesson is not being learned the first time and thats disappointing.

And PL if your suggesting that during the summer the players should be allowed to do what they want without punishment, I can't agree with that. If he is found guilty and the school comes out and says they cant punish him because it was summer, I will know where Gene and Craig stand on some of these issues.

As Ive posted before. This is a team and athletic dept issue. Not NDSU.

[Gully]

As Ive posted before. This is a team and athletic dept issue. Not NDSU.

That is your opinion of how it should be and I might tend to agree with you........but that's not how it is.

[td577]

I say we wait until this plays out in he legal system and hope the school will publicly state there is nothing to talk about until the courts have run their course.


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[Bisonator98]

So when will the video hit the net?

[tjamz]

SWINNGGGG and a MISSSSSSSSS. That kid obviously had a glass jaw and fell like a sack of potatoes. Let's call a spade a spade. Fights don't happen like they do in movies with 15 minutes of punches and kicks exchanged. Generally the first straight jaw shot by someone as fit as Beck is enough for a KO. If you know you can't go blow to blow with someone, it's generally a "wrestling match" started with a tackle. Stay out of someone's reach and you won't get KO'd.

Bottom line, I guarantee this wasn't a "beating" on anything other than the other kid's ego. It was only excessive because the dude feel like a tree. It happens. Kids get their ass kicked sometimes. Still doesn't make it ok.

Exactly. How many first round KO's do you see in MMA/Boxing? Answer: LOTS! And these are guys that are sober and trained to take a hard punch to the head.

http://youtu.be/Zhgglh_D-vE

A KO is not an indication of a beating. In fact, I'd argue one could get KO'ed and not show signs of even being in a fight the next day.

[MNLonghorn10]

Of course they are, for the most part, but that's not the point. Nearly every major college football site within the major sport news websites is carrying the story. Most, if not all, rarely cover anything other than BCS football with occasional FBS football. But, they couldn't resist this story because it is about the two-time FCS champion. In other words, now the whole college football world knows NDSUs problems. It's just too bad, especially if it all goes away with video evidence.
Pretty sure nobody in the big time university fandom even will remember who Beck is in 2 days. Nor do they remember who the past 2 national champions in the FCS are as well.

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

Pretty sure nobody in the big time university fandom even will remember who Beck is in 2 days. Nor do they remember who the past 2 national champions in the FCS are as well.
^This. Were not Alabama here.

[CAS4127]

^This. Were not Alabama here.

What does 'Bama have to do with anything?!?!

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

What does 'Bama have to do with anything?!?!
Talking about if this happened to a big time university, like Longhorn said above. And to their national titles.

[G_Funky]

What does 'Bama have to do with anything?!?!

Um we beat a team, twice, who played 'Bama tough for a quarter...duh

[CAS4127]

Talking about if this happened to a big time university, like Longhorn said above. And to their national titles.

I know, I was just trying to imply that I didn't remember who won the BCS title game the last two years (should have used the purple). Also, I am waiting for my slow-ass secretary to get some documents back to me, so have a little time on my hands.

[Bison bison]

dammit, cas.

you ruined my joke with your hypen.

[Bison bison]

Today on Jay at 2:10: Should NDSU Linebacker Travis Beck be kicked off the team for his alleged involvement in a weekend bar fight? The Jay Thomas Show discusses the issue and takes your calls at 701-293-9000 or 1-888-970-WDAY (9329) (http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/81926/group/homepage/)

[MNLonghorn10]

I know, I was just trying to imply that I didn't remember who won the BCS title game the last two years (should have used the purple). Also, I am waiting for my slow-ass secretary to get some documents back to me, so have a little time on my hands.

99.9% of the college football nation remembers that bama won besides you I guess

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[CAS4127]

99.9% of the college football nation remembers that bama won besides you I guess

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Ummm, did you miss the word "imply" in my post there Mhorn!!

Hey, I saw a shirt once that said something like this:

The Good-->TX Longhorns

The Bad--> A&M Aggies

The Ugly--> OK Sooners.

Anyone heard whether the video is out yet?!?!?

[G_Funky]

Pretty sure nobody in the big time university fandom even will remember who Beck is in 2 days. Nor do they remember who the past 2 national champions in the FCS are as well.

Does the size of the school really have much to do with disciplinary action unless its a high profile case? The OSU tattoo scandal was a huge deal bc it involved some high profile athletes. And even with that I can only remember Terrelle Pryor as a player involved in that situation. On the other hand, a receiver from FSU was suspended yesterday after being charged with rape and I cant remember his name for the life of me. I agree no one will remember Beck's name nor really care but I also dont think unless AJ McCarron gets busted smoking dope that any discipline issues in 'Bama country will be remembered or really cared about...

[T-Funk]

Podcast from last night's Dizzo's Den discussing the Beck arrest with Kolpack: http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/81914/

[Hammerhead]

I assume that isn't the same Jay Thomas show on SiriusXM with the actor who played Eddie LeBec on Cheers. His show is full of language you can't use on terrestrial radio.


Today on Jay at 2:10: Should NDSU Linebacker Travis Beck be kicked off the team for his alleged involvement in a weekend bar fight? The Jay Thomas Show discusses the issue and takes your calls at 701-293-9000 or 1-888-970-WDAY (9329) (http://www.wday.com/event/article/id/81926/group/homepage/)

[MontBison]

Idk if it matters but I'm pretty sure the guy who got knocked out doesn't even live here and was visiting for the weekend.

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

Idk if it matters but I'm pretty sure the guy who got knocked out doesn't even live here and was visiting for the weekend.
Either way he broke the law.

[bisonaudit]

Does the size of the school really have much to do with disciplinary action unless its a high profile case? The OSU tattoo scandal was a huge deal bc it involved some high profile athletes. And even with that I can only remember Terrelle Pryor as a player involved in that situation. On the other hand, a receiver from FSU was suspended yesterday after being charged with rape and I cant remember his name for the life of me. I agree no one will remember Beck's name nor really care but I also dont think unless AJ McCarron gets busted smoking dope that any discipline issues in 'Bama country will be remembered or really cared about...

AJ McCarron got busted getting a smoke job from another woman.

[Jim Puetz]

Beck is a f___ing outside linebacker on the best defense in FCS. He's supposed to knock someone out when they are bugging the crap out of him. Those are the kind of guys you want on your team.

[G_Funky]

Beck is a f___ing outside linebacker on the best defense in FCS. He's supposed to knock someone out when they are bugging the crap out of him. Those are the kind of guys you want on your team.

True...yet you would hope they know to do it in pads, between the whistle, and to another player wearing a different jersey...

[CaBisonFan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eT4naBLJUKg

[TAILG8R]

Attorney: Accused linebacker’s conduct 'entirely defensible' in bar fight that left man unconscious (http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/402754/group/homepage/)

[Professor Chaos]

Attorney: Accused linebacker’s conduct 'entirely defensible' in bar fight that left man unconscious (http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/402754/group/homepage/)
Slick lawyer talk may score him points in a court of law but it won't in the court of Bohl. What isn't defensible is his disregard for the responsibility he has as a high profile athlete to keep himself out of that type of situation or surround himself with people who will help him keep out of that type of situation. Sad to see a young man with so much talent on the field throw it away off of it.

[CAS4127]

Attorney: Accused linebacker’s conduct 'entirely defensible' in bar fight that left man unconscious (http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/402754/group/homepage/)

There we go! Just wait and see folks.
Plus, Bruce will be staying in close contact with NDSU peeps as well. Like I said early on, way more to story.


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[MAKBison]

Slick lawyer talk may score him points in a court of law but it won't in the court of Bohl. What isn't defensible is his disregard for the responsibility he has as a high profile athlete to keep himself out of that type of situation or surround himself with people who will help him keep out of that type of situation. Sad to see a young man with so much talent on the field throw it away off of it.

We do not know that yet...how do we know Beck was leaving so as not to get in a fight and the guy followed him out---left TB with no other option? one can go to a bar, one can drink beer, one has the right to defend himself until he is safe. At this point in time no one knows how this really went down, thus better off not to condemn.

[HoopsBison]

Well Beck's got one of the best attorneys defending him in this case, that bodes well for him.

Interested to see how this plays out and what the facts really are.

[MAKBison]

who is the attorney?

[HoopsBison]

who is the attorney?

Bruce Quick

[56BISON73]

We do not know that yet...how do we know Beck was leaving so as not to get in a fight and the guy followed him out---left TB with no other option? one can go to a bar, one can drink beer, one has the right to defend himself until he is safe. At this point in time no one knows how this really went down, thus better off not to condemn.

Now we can agree!!!!

[MontBison]

Either way he broke the law.

No shit? I was thinking more along the lines of this never goin to trial because the dude it's going to fly up for the thing. Aka drop the charges?

[Professor Chaos]

We do not know that yet...how do we know Beck was leaving so as not to get in a fight and the guy followed him out---left TB with no other option? one can go to a bar, one can drink beer, one has the right to defend himself until he is safe. At this point in time no one knows how this really went down, thus better off not to condemn.
There's always another option, maybe there wasn't by the time they left the bar (which is still a pretty big reach) but there definitely was an option at some point during the whole kerfuffle to walk away because there's nothing good that would come out of a situation like that. Ignorance may work as an excuse in court but IMO it shouldn't work as an excuse to keep him on the football team.

[tony]

There's always another option, maybe there wasn't by the time they left the bar (which is still a pretty big reach) but there definitely was an option at some point during the whole kerfuffle to walk away because there's nothing good that would come out of a situation like that. Ignorance may work as an excuse in court but IMO it shouldn't work as an excuse to keep him on the football team.

Where'd you go to school? Sure as heck wasn't Mandan. The bold part is patently untrue unless "taking a beating" is an option.

If it was self-defense, then not only is there no crime, there is no reason to kick Travis off the team. Then again, I don't like two-on-one fights (I'll believe that somebody is trying to stop a fight by punching another person in the face at some point after hell freezes over.)

[MAKBison]

There's always another option, maybe there wasn't by the time they left the bar (which is still a pretty big reach) but there definitely was an option at some point during the whole kerfuffle to walk away because there's nothing good that would come out of a situation like that. Ignorance may work as an excuse in court but IMO it shouldn't work as an excuse to keep him on the football team.

I am not disagreeing with your premise in general, what I am saying is legally you have the right to protect yourself and sometimes it is not reality to walk away form the issue,. It could be that TB was in the act of walking away and the guy came after him...followed him out the door TB said leave me alone, the guy started pushing and punching him, which left TB no recourse, but to punch back for the sake of his own safety.

At this point we do not know what happened. All we know is an altercation happened and one side says TB was to blame the other says he was justified. As TJ said, we will see what was what when the court date rolls around.

[Bison 4 Life]

Was the other guy charged? If not they must have had evidence to charge only one of the belligerents. Video must be the x factor.

[02Bison]

Just another reason to avoid most downtown bars any night of the week...was at the Sports Bar about a month ago....smelled like piss inside and wasn't even room to stand anywhere...needless to say we left and haven't been back....the place smelled better 11 years ago when smoking was still allowed in public establishments....needless to say I don't plan on going back there anytime soon

[MNLonghorn10]

is anyone watching POV on VNL? this show is so stupid. you, the people of ND, should be livid @ brescani for not coming on the show, or donating 5 minutes of his time...even though you pay him 320,000 of his salary

[MNLonghorn10]

rob port is on now with berg, via skype. What a circus

[coldspot]

rob port is on now with berg, via skype. What a circus

my TV has a weight limit, therefore I will not be tuning in to watch that fat ass.

[GOBISON123]

TB did not break the law, he broke the guy's jaw.

a) The aggressor is an out of town punk trying to act smart in Bison town.
b) TB was attacked by not one, but two people, Matthew Aanenson & Mitchell Havig

Our boy TB did what he does the best, this is not his fault. They should charge, Matthew Aanenson & Mitchell Havig for disturbing the peace.

http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/content/ndsu-football-player-charged-felony-after-fight-0

[EndZoneQB]

Was the other guy charged? If not they must have had evidence to charge only one of the belligerents. Video must be the x factor.

You don't get how things like this work. When the police show up and see one guy involved in a fight laying unconscious and one walking around, they are only going to charge the one that's obvious. That's not their job to determine the whole thing. They are just there to diffuse and arrest for SUSPECTED crimes. It's up to the DA/Prosecutor to get decide what, if any, charges are brought upon the parties. Police jump to conclusions, that's their job. Prosecutors are paid to charge people with crimes. Once they review all of the evidence, they will decide what happens.

And for the record, it's already been said the video shows Beck with his arms up in the air trying to walk away with the other kid being the obvious aggressor. Hold on to your butts, folks.

[perthbison]

Was the other guy charged? If not they must have had evidence to charge only one of the belligerents. Video must be the x factor.I think it was in the Hearld where I sounded nas if the police only took statements from two people, the victim and the puncher. It sounded like poor or biased police work.

[Bison 4 Life]

You don't get how things like this work. When the police show up and see one guy involved in a fight laying unconscious and one walking around, they are only going to charge the one that's obvious. That's not their job to determine the whole thing. They are just there to diffuse and arrest for SUSPECTED crimes. It's up to the DA/Prosecutor to get decide what, if any, charges are brought upon the parties. Police jump to conclusions, that's their job. Prosecutors are paid to charge people with crimes. Once they review all of the evidence, they will decide what happens.

And for the record, it's already been said the video shows Beck with his arms up in the air trying to walk away with the other kid being the obvious aggressor. Hold on to your butts, folks.

By whom? Is that another Bisonation.com exclusive?

[Wally]

rob port is on now with berg, via skype. What a circus


I'm sure that was a great interview.

[EndZoneQB]

By whom? Is that another Bisonation.com exclusive?

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. You can keep the wool over your eyes as long as you want, but do yourself a favor and look back at what you've "second guessed" from a small number of us and see how many times "we" were wrong. I can't speak for everyone else, but I don't say it to toot my own horn. Just so you know, it was stated back a page or so right here on good ole Bisonville.

[BisonNation11]

http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/content/ndsu-football-player-charged-felony-after-fight-0

So according to a line in the article, the guy doesn't remember a thing about the assault. I guess my questions would be for CAS on this. So now it's the witnesses' word against Beck's? Who's the one pressing charges since he doesn't remember anything? Wouldn't look too good to go to court and be put on the stand with the excellent defense of "Um, I don't remember what happened." The whole thing just seems messed up to me. I'm saying charges are dropped or they go to court and he's found not guilty. Can't wait to see #52 lace 'em up on Aug. 30.

[LITTLEGUYSINGREEN]

"Fire Aanenson and Havig, save season!"

I think Beck should be suspended for the Mont. State game.

[TransAmBison]

Looking better and better for our boy, Beck. I'd hate to be the people on here who jumped to conclusions and abandoned a member of the Herd before all the facts were out.

[td577]

So according to a line in the article, the guy doesn't remember a thing about the assault. I guess my questions would be for CAS on this. So now it's the witnesses' word against Beck's? Who's the one pressing charges since he doesn't remember anything? Wouldn't look too good to go to court and be put on the stand with the excellent defense of "Um, I don't remember what happened." The whole thing just seems messed up to me. I'm saying charges are dropped or they go to court and he's found not guilty. Can't wait to see #52 lace 'em up on Aug. 30.

I think the prosecuting attorney can press charges. They don't need the victim to press on any type of assault. It is also very difficult to prosecute without a reliable victim.

TB will get his day in court, somewhere along the line the real story of everything that happened will come out, and justice will be properly served. I like to think that happens more often than not and we only hear about the screwed up cases and not the ultra majority that get handled properly.

We are in a era now that when the police are called for anything, someone is going to jail. Just the way it is. "Yes officer I heard someone outside." "Yeah, it must be that guy walking his dog." In this day, at the very least the dog is going to jail. The legal system can sort it out later.

[GOBISON123]

So according to a line in the article, the guy doesn't remember a thing about the assault. I guess my questions would be for CAS on this. So now it's the witnesses' word against Beck's? Who's the one pressing charges since he doesn't remember anything? Wouldn't look too good to go to court and be put on the stand with the excellent defense of "Um, I don't remember what happened." The whole thing just seems messed up to me. I'm saying charges are dropped or they go to court and he's found not guilty. Can't wait to see #52 lace 'em up on Aug. 30.

Two guys attacking one guy ? And the cops arrest our guy TB...:mad:

[Professor Chaos]

Where'd you go to school? Sure as heck wasn't Mandan. The bold part is patently untrue unless "taking a beating" is an option.

If it was self-defense, then not only is there no crime, there is no reason to kick Travis off the team. Then again, I don't like two-on-one fights (I'll believe that somebody is trying to stop a fight by punching another person in the face at some point after hell freezes over.)
I went to school in a small town near Minot and I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I don't buy that he had no other option throughout the entire course of event.

I'm not rooting for him to get kicked off the team, I just think it's a bad precedent to set to allow a player involved in a bar brawl to continue playing just because the other guy threw the first punch. And I'm not talking because he had a prior offense, regardless of that he's gotta be the bigger man in this scenario because he's the one under the microscope and he's the one who's gonna get his mugshot plastered on the front page of the Forum if he's involved in a bar brawl. I just think there's different standards that need to be taken when you're a representative of your team and the university as compared to a member of society. As a member of society he's well within his rights to defend himself if some dipshit is egging him on and comes at him with fists. As a member of the highest profile sport at a D1 university he has to realize the same rules don't apply, he should've swallowed his pride and gotten out of there before this thing escalated to the point it got to.

Regardless of whether he continues playing or not, he'll always be a Bison and I wish him the very best. He's given a tremendous amount to the team and the fans over the last 2+ years, I just wish he would've used better judgement in this scenario.

[1998braves64]

I went to school in a small town near Minot and I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I don't buy that he had no other option throughout the entire course of event.

I'm not rooting for him to get kicked off the team, I just think it's a bad precedent to set to allow a player involved in a bar brawl to continue playing just because the other guy threw the first punch. And I'm not talking because he had a prior offense, regardless of that he's gotta be the bigger man in this scenario because he's the one under the microscope and who's gonna get his mugshot on the front page of the Forum if he's involved in a bar brawl. I just think there's different standards that need to be taken when your a representative of your team and the university as compared to a member of society. As a member of society he's well within his rights to defend himself if another is egging him on. As a member of the highest profile sport at a D1 university he has to realize the same rules don't apply.

I'm guessing he's suspended some games at minimum (probably only way he isn't suspended is if all charges are dropped and not guilty of anything which I'm guessing isn't going to be the case). No football player wants to miss games... because what happens if your backup steps up and performs well, you will be riding pine the rest of the season perhaps.

[MAKBison]

Two guys attacking one guy ? And the cops arrest our guy TB...:mad:


MY bet----not cooperating witht he police had a bit of doing in who was charged...that tends to piss them off

[MAKBison]

(Prof. C)

I agree with most of what you say, but if someone is physically trying to harm you, I don't care who you are, you have the right to defend yourself. Again, who knows what the real story will be. Me personally I am just not going to concede there is always a way out. I will speculate that TB had a higher likelihood of being the one charged because he did not cooperate with the law. NOTE---when in doubt, be polite, be nonaggression and ask for a lawyer.


FYI---I really do get what you are saying. Same reason why some hire personal security----speaking of Minot I used to do a bit of PS around there back in the day.

[HerdBot]

MY bet----not cooperating witht he police had a bigger hand in who was charged...that tends to piss them off

I agree completely. I'm a moments notice he made a decision. You couple that with the adrenaline/emotion of just getting in a fight and a few drinks, and he made the wrong one. Who knows what his state of mind was. Anyone who has ever been in a fight knows the feeling... nervousness, adrenaline, and your so fired up your almost shaking. Not a good state of mind to make a decision. Not saying its an excuse but its reality for most

[MAKBison]

I agree completely. I'm a moments notice he made a decision. You couple that with the adrenaline/emotion of just getting in a fight and a few drinks, and he made the wrong one. Who knows what his state of mind was. Anyone who has ever been in a fight knows the feeling... nervousness, adrenaline, and your so fired up your almost shaking. Not a good state of mind to make a decision. Not saying its an excuse but its reality for most

True, but you loose every-time no matter whats going on if you run form the cops.

(in saying that, he was punched in the face by some guy so maybe he was disorientated and did not know what was going on. Thought the cops were part of the gang trying to beat him down. Once his cognition returned he cooperated----anything is plausible)

[Grizzled]

I agree completely. I'm a moments notice he made a decision. You couple that with the adrenaline/emotion of just getting in a fight and a few drinks, and he made the wrong one. Who knows what his state of mind was. Anyone who has ever been in a fight knows the feeling... nervousness, adrenaline, and your so fired up your almost shaking. Not a good state of mind to make a decision. Not saying its an excuse but its reality for most

Is this the 2nd time he has fled from an officer?

[MAKBison]

Is this the 2nd time he has fled from an officer?

I think it is. If I recall there was some weird circumstance last time. Not trying to diminish it at all.


My bet is that even if he is not guilty NW is going to say that he keeps putting himself in bad situations and the common factor is Alcohol. My bet is he will have to got through SU's program before he can rejoin the team. (that might not be such a bad thing for him)

[56BISON73]

I went to school in a small town near Minot and I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I don't buy that he had no other option throughout the entire course of event.

I'm not rooting for him to get kicked off the team, I just think it's a bad precedent to set to allow a player involved in a bar brawl to continue playing just because the other guy threw the first punch. And I'm not talking because he had a prior offense, regardless of that he's gotta be the bigger man in this scenario because he's the one under the microscope and he's the one who's gonna get his mugshot plastered on the front page of the Forum if he's involved in a bar brawl. I just think there's different standards that need to be taken when you're a representative of your team and the university as compared to a member of society. As a member of society he's well within his rights to defend himself if some dipshit is egging him on and comes at him with fists. As a member of the highest profile sport at a D1 university he has to realize the same rules don't apply, he should've swallowed his pride and gotten out of there before this thing escalated to the point it got to.

Regardless of whether he continues playing or not, he'll always be a Bison and I wish him the very best. He's given a tremendous amount to the team and the fans over the last 2+ years, I just wish he would've used better judgement in this scenario.

Everything you say is so easy when you arent the one being attacked. I was in the bar business for many years. Ive seen people swallow their pride and walk out the door only to have the asshole follow him outside. There is a point where you know the shit is going to happen. You can only back up so far when the other person is bent on getting physical. At that point the best defense is going on the offense so you dont get hurt.

[MAKBison]

[56BISON73]Everything you say is so easy when you arent the one being attacked. Ive was in the bar business for many years. Ive seen people swallow their pride and walk out the door only to have the asshole follow him outside. There is a point where you know the shit is going to happen. You can only back up so far when the other person is bent on getting physical. At that point the best defense is going on the offense so you dont get hurt.


ditto that^^^^^^

[GOBISON123]

Everything you say is so easy when you arent the one being attacked. Ive was in the bar business for many years. Ive seen people swallow their pride and walk out the door only to have the asshole follow him outside. There is a point where you know the shit is going to happen. You can only back up so far when the other person is bent on getting physical. At that point the best defense is going on the offense so you dont get hurt.


I agree with 56BISON73, many years ago i was on a city bus once and two guys were drunk and talking shit, I decided not to get into an argument and get down at the next stop even though that was not my stop just so that I can avoid any potential trouble, while i was getting down from the bus i got kicked on my ass and i fell down face first. So fuck you if you think TB should have walked out, I know what it is to be in that situation. What TB did was doggone right. May be he was dazed and did not respond to the cop but what he did to those guys was purely an act of self defense. Shame on you all , trying to abandon our boy.

You mess with one bean you get the whole burrito boy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LU8DDYz68kM

[ndsubison1]

Just another reason to avoid most downtown bars any night of the week...was at the Sports Bar about a month ago....smelled like piss inside and wasn't even room to stand anywhere...needless to say we left and haven't been back....the place smelled better 11 years ago when smoking was still allowed in public establishments....needless to say I don't plan on going back there anytime soon

seems like there is always a fight at sports bar. happens more there than any bar ive been to in fargo

[BisonNation11]

You can only back up so far when the other person is bent on getting physical. At that point the best defense is going on the offense so you dont get hurt.

True this. I've only been in one bar brawl but the guy was looking for it. He pushed the wrong person and I went on the offensive. Choked him out while my buddies beat down his buddies. Cops came and got them. We went back to drinking. I apologize to the Foolum for not being high enough on the social ladder to run my name through the mud.

[bincitysioux]

Obviously, I have no idea of the circumstances surrounding this. I believe a guy has a right to defend himself, though. If Travis Beck punched me once or twice, I'd probably be unconscious too. If i was the one who started it, I would have deserved it.

The red flag in my eyes is that he apparently ran from police.

I also woudn't sweep a year old MIP conviction under the rug when as a 21 year old he is engaging in bar fights at 3:00 in the morning a year later.

[Hammersmith]

Everything you say is so easy when you arent the one being attacked. I was in the bar business for many years. Ive seen people swallow their pride and walk out the door only to have the asshole follow him outside. There is a point where you know the shit is going to happen. You can only back up so far when the other person is bent on getting physical. At that point the best defense is going on the offense so you dont get hurt.
On one level I agree with you. But you can normally find another way to handle the situation.

I like this one: If you think you can't get out of a physical situation, first, don't leave the bar; you want impartial witnesses(bartender, bouncers, others). Next, move so that only the guy can see your mouth; your back is to the witnesses. Be as non-confrontational with your body language as you can while loudly telling the guy to calm down and be cool. Mixed in with that, very quietly say or lightly mouth to the guy the most offensive things you can think of in a way that no one else can tell, all the while making it look like you're trying to calm him down. If he's so much of an a--hole to have pushed the situation to this point, it shouldn't take too long from him to lose it and throw a punch. Let it hit you. If you can, move back a bit as the blow lands to absorb the energy and lessen any damage(although a bloody nose, split lip or black eye would be a small price to pay). Don't hit back. Loudly try to defuse the situation while smirking at him as much as you can get away with. Hopefully he will try another punch. Avoid this one if you can and then drill him so hard that it's imprinted on his DNA and ten generations later the first words spoken by any descendant will be: "What the f--k was that!?!" You get the pleasure of beating down an a--hole while it looks to all the world like you did everything you could to defuse the situation. Win-win. If you're really lucky, the other guy will end up with an assault charge if the cops are called(be extremely polite and cooperative when they get there). Win-win-win.

Fight smart, not stupid.


Now I'm too much of a wimp to actually make use of a technique like this, but I also rarely do the bar scene - and I go to non-threatening places like Gastropub where the worst thing you'll run into is a senile Montana State fan or two. But also remember this little tip: closed-fist punches to the jaw are a very bad idea. The jawbone is big, the bones in your fingers are small. Your fingers will lose. Strike with the heel of your hand or the flat area between the base of your pinky and your wrist. More damage to them, less damage to you. Everyone (that matters) is happy.

[BisonFan02]

On one level I agree with you. But you can normally find another way to handle the situation.

I like this one: If you think you can't get out of a physical situation, first, don't leave the bar; you want impartial witnesses(bartender, bouncers, others). Next, move so that only the guy can see your mouth; your back is to the witnesses. Be as non-confrontational with your body language as you can while loudly telling the guy to calm down and be cool. Mixed in with that, very quietly say or lightly mouth to the guy the most offensive things you can think of in a way that no one else can tell, all the while making it look like you're trying to calm him down. If he's so much of an a--hole to have pushed the situation to this point, it shouldn't take too long from him to lose it and throw a punch. Let it hit you. If you can, move back a bit as the blow lands to absorb the energy and lessen any damage(although a bloody nose, split lip or black eye would be a small price to pay). Don't hit back. Loudly try to defuse the situation while smirking at him as much as you can get away with. Hopefully he will try another punch. Avoid this one if you can and then drill him so hard that it's imprinted on his DNA and ten generations later the first words spoken by any descendant will be: "What the f--k was that!?!" You get the pleasure of beating down an a--hole while it looks to all the world like you did everything you could to defuse the situation. Win-win. If you're really lucky, the other guy will end up with an assault charge if the cops are called(be extremely polite and cooperative when they get there). Win-win-win.

Fight smart, not stupid.


Now I'm too much of a wimp to actually make use of a technique like this, but I also rarely do the bar scene - and I go to non-threatening places like Gastropub where the worst thing you'll run into is a senile Montana State fan or two. But also remember this little tip: closed-fist punches to the jaw are a very bad idea. The jawbone is big, the bones in your fingers are small. Your fingers will lose. Strike with the heel of your hand or the flat area between the base of your pinky and your wrist. More damage to them, less damage to you. Everyone (that matters) is happy.

I don't think it even needs to be said how dangerous the Gastropub would be if words were like sticks and stones. :D

[344Johnson]

Obviously, I have no idea of the circumstances surrounding this. I believe a guy has a right to defend himself, though. If Travis Beck punched me once or twice, I'd probably be unconscious too. If i was the one who started it, I would have deserved it.

The red flag in my eyes is that he apparently ran from police.

I also woudn't sweep a year old MIP conviction under the rug when as a 21 year old he is engaging in bar fights at 3:00 in the morning a year later.

This seems well reasoned.


On one level I agree with you. But you can normally find another way to handle the situation.

I like this one: If you think you can't get out of a physical situation, first, don't leave the bar; you want impartial witnesses(bartender, bouncers, others). Next, move so that only the guy can see your mouth; your back is to the witnesses. Be as non-confrontational with your body language as you can while loudly telling the guy to calm down and be cool. Mixed in with that, very quietly say or lightly mouth to the guy the most offensive things you can think of in a way that no one else can tell, all the while making it look like you're trying to calm him down. If he's so much of an a--hole to have pushed the situation to this point, it shouldn't take too long from him to lose it and throw a punch. Let it hit you. If you can, move back a bit as the blow lands to absorb the energy and lessen any damage(although a bloody nose, split lip or black eye would be a small price to pay). Don't hit back. Loudly try to defuse the situation while smirking at him as much as you can get away with. Hopefully he will try another punch. Avoid this one if you can and then drill him so hard that it's imprinted on his DNA and ten generations later the first words spoken by any descendant will be: "What the f--k was that!?!" You get the pleasure of beating down an a--hole while it looks to all the world like you did everything you could to defuse the situation. Win-win. If you're really lucky, the other guy will end up with an assault charge if the cops are called(be extremely polite and cooperative when they get there). Win-win-win.

Fight smart, not stupid.


Now I'm too much of a wimp to actually make use of a technique like this, but I also rarely do the bar scene - and I go to non-threatening places like Gastropub where the worst thing you'll run into is a senile Montana State fan or two. But also remember this little tip: closed-fist punches to the jaw are a very bad idea. The jawbone is big, the bones in your fingers are small. Your fingers will lose. Strike with the heel of your hand or the flat area between the base of your pinky and your wrist. More damage to them, less damage to you. Everyone (that matters) is happy.

That seems very soberly thought out. A little bit of the recent Sherlock Holmes films....asking a lot of an intoxicated person!

[HerdBot]

I went to school in a small town near Minot and I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I don't buy that he had no other option throughout the entire course of event.

I'm not rooting for him to get kicked off the team, I just think it's a bad precedent to set to allow a player involved in a bar brawl to continue playing just because the other guy threw the first punch. And I'm not talking because he had a prior offense, regardless of that he's gotta be the bigger man in this scenario because he's the one under the microscope and he's the one who's gonna get his mugshot plastered on the front page of the Forum if he's involved in a bar brawl. I just think there's different standards that need to be taken when you're a representative of your team and the university as compared to a member of society. As a member of society he's well within his rights to defend himself if some dipshit is egging him on and comes at him with fists. As a member of the highest profile sport at a D1 university he has to realize the same rules don't apply, he should've swallowed his pride and gotten out of there before this thing escalated to the point it got to.

Regardless of whether he continues playing or not, he'll always be a Bison and I wish him the very best. He's given a tremendous amount to the team and the fans over the last 2+ years, I just wish he would've used better judgement in this scenario.

The same rules do apply to him but the media coverage is there. The team, or any organization shouldn't apply when your defending yourself. What are they going to do, ban legal adults from drinking? If your at a bar and some guy tries to kick your ass and you fight back, should you lose your job?(assuming your innocent, guilty different story)

What if he doesn't fight back and he ends up with a serious injury?

But in reality if your a star player for the Bison you should avoid any confrontation. Its a skill many young people haven't mastered.

[Hammersmith]

That seems very soberly thought out. A little bit of the recent Sherlock Holmes films....asking a lot of an intoxicated person!
That's why you do these two things. First, consider what might happen while you're out drinking and consider possible solutions like the above long in advance. Maybe toss around ideas with peers(teammates) until you find a few you like. By making plans ahead of time, you're not struggling to come up with a solution in the heat of the moment. Second, don't get wasted in public. I mean intoxicated enough that you can't enact your plans. If you do get that wasted, make sure you have a couple friends with you that don't get that wasted and can take your place in any confrontation; kind of like a designated driver of sorts. The two worst situations are to be wasted and alone or in a group where everyone is wasted. Nothing good will come of those and potentially a lot of bad.

BTW, that wasn't my idea; just a modification of someone else's. Same with the DNA/baby's first words. Wish I had come up with that one on my own.

[344Johnson]

That's why you do these two things. First, consider what might happen while you're out drinking and consider possible solutions like the above long in advance. Maybe toss around ideas with peers(teammates) until you find a few you like. By making plans ahead of time, you're not struggling to come up with a solution in the heat of the moment. Second, don't get wasted in public. I mean intoxicated enough that you can't enact your plans. If you do get that wasted, make sure you have a couple friends with you that don't get that wasted and can take your place in any confrontation; kind of like a designated driver of sorts. The two worst situations are to be wasted and alone or in a group where everyone is wasted. Nothing good will come of those and potentially a lot of bad.

BTW, that wasn't my idea; just a modification of someone else's. Same with the DNA/baby's first words. Wish I had come up with that one on my own.

Just seems like a lot to ask of a 21 year old. Speaking as one, we feel as though we should be able to go out and have fun without worrying. Obviously Mr. Beck's situation is different than mine but still, same premise.

[dewey]

Maybe this is more of a quesion for former players but did you guys travel in groups to make sure nothing like this happened? Another way to lookout for each other? Because I am sure there are guys out their that want to try and prove how tough they are by fighting an NDSU football player. I have know idea if this happened but I would imagine that former players have had this happen before.

Dewey

[BisonTeacher]

Maybe this is more of a quesion for former players but did you guys travel in groups to make sure nothing like this happened? Another way to lookout for each other? Because I am sure there are guys out their that want to try and prove how tough they are by fighting an NDSU football player. I have know idea if this happened but I would imagine that former players have had this happen before.

Dewey

even if they do its not all the time. Say for example a player is out with a girl. Im guessing he doesnt want the rest of the team around.

[bisonaudit]

even if they do its not all the time. Say for example a player is out with a girl. Im guessing he doesnt want the rest of the team around.

Who's taking their girl to Sports Bar?

[MNLonghorn10]

beats 8 dollar morgan night at the HoDo

[NorthernBison]

I have a bad feeling that facts have become immaterial in this thing. The torches and pitchforks are out. McFeely is stirring the pot on Social Media big time and the comments are flying fast and furious.

[TAILG8R]

beats 8 dollar morgan night at the HoDo

No, no it doesn't.

[BadlandsBison]

Who's taking their girl to Sports Bar?

Are you implying ownership? Maybe she's taking you as a mobile ATM

[Professor Chaos]

The same rules do apply to him but the media coverage is there. The team, or any organization shouldn't apply when your defending yourself. What are they going to do, ban legal adults from drinking? If your at a bar and some guy tries to kick your ass and you fight back, should you lose your job?(assuming your innocent, guilty different story)

What if he doesn't fight back and he ends up with a serious injury?

But in reality if your a star player for the Bison you should avoid any confrontation. Its a skill many young people haven't mastered.
I'm not saying he shouldn't defend himself when attacked, by that point the proverbial Rubicon has been crossed and he's in a fight whether he wanted to be or not. What I'm saying is that I think there were opportunities for him to use better judgement earlier in the night when he could've left before things turned to fisticuffs. I may be wrong because I wasn't there and know nothing more than what I've read about it. But I think it's very unlikely that he did nothing to escalate the situation prior to being attacked if that is indeed what happened.

Regardless, I'd say we've probably seen the last active Bison football player that will frequent Sports Bar for a while.

[Rockbear99]

My Mom gave me this advice when I was growing up. Never start a fight but make sure you finnish it. Words I still live by today. There are only a few ways now a days that I will fight those are if you touch my wife and daughter or act like a asshole to them, then we got issues, another is if I see someone beating on a woman and she can not defend herself then I may step in depending on the situation. You can call me any name in book and it wont bother me, but you come at me and we will see.

[Bison 4 Life]

I'm not saying he shouldn't defend himself when attacked, by that point the proverbial Rubicon has been crossed and he's in a fight whether he wanted to be or not. What I'm saying is that I think there were opportunities for him to use better judgement earlier in the night when he could've left before things turned to fisticuffs. I may be wrong because I wasn't there and know nothing more than what I've read about it. But I think it's very unlikely that he did nothing to escalate the situation prior to being attacked if that is indeed what happened.

Regardless, I'd say we've probably seen the last active Bison football player that will frequent Sports Bar for a while.

Personally, I don't know who hangs out in the Sports Bar any more. We used to call it "the hallway" either to or from Rooters/Lauermans and the OB.

How old am I? We were at Sports when we saw the report on the TV of Mike Tyson biting Evander Holyfield's ear off.

[NDSU '96]

It's only by the grace of God Beck isn't in this position. The only good option is to walk away. http://theadvocate.com/news/police/6029315-123/br-man-wanted-for-murder

[tony]

I went to school in a small town near Minot and I guess we'll have to agree to disagree because I don't buy that he had no other option throughout the entire course of event.

Based on what? You can't say with certainty unless you are omniscient. People cannot always avoid confrontation. I mean, people get randomly beat up all the time and often it happens in these many v one situations. For another example, what did Kolpack do to get knocked out in downtown MSP? (hint: Nothing.)

Of course, circumstantially, Beck doesn't seem like a guy that any sane person would mess with, but it's better to wait for the facts than to prejudge these things even if you are 90% certain that Beck is at fault.

[Professor Chaos]

Based on what? You can't say with certainty unless you are omniscient. People cannot always avoid confrontation. I mean, people get randomly beat up all the time and often it happens in these many v one situations. For another example, what did Kolpack do to get knocked out in downtown MSP? (hint: Nothing.)

Of course, circumstantially, Beck doesn't seem like a guy that any sane person would mess with, but it's better to wait for the facts than to prejudge these things even if you are 90% certain that Beck is at fault.
You're right, I can't say it with certainty and neither can anyone else. I just think it's very unlikely he had no part in escalating the situation to the point that it got physical. Thus I think it's likely he had the opportunity to diffuse the situation by leaving before that.

I'm also not saying he's at fault anymore than the other guy(s), I'm saying he needs to use better judgement because he has more to lose than pretty much anyone else he'd be fighting with.

[BisonTeacher]

Who's taking their girl to Sports Bar?

no idea...I havent been there in almost 10 years. I was referring to dewey's post asking if football players went out in groups. I was taking it as he meant in general and not just this incident. Im sure they do sometimes, but not all the time.

[thundarsdaddy]

Maybe...just MAY?BE, TB got bullied? In this day and age of anti-bullying, inst anyone in the media going to look at this possibility? But those in the media, especially McFeely, automatically assume any Bison athlete(TB or anyone else) is guilty! With all of the trash-talk that has gone on towards Bison Football players in the past year, I can envision some major trash-talking happening to TB in a bar! doesnt even have to have been in a bar either, maybe anywhere in public. I am not just assuming TB is not-guilty, but Maybe...just MAYBE, some person, or person's BULLIED TB verbally, to a point where he reacted? No one knows do they? But one things for sure, all this trash talk about Bison FB players HAS to end, especially in the so-called Media!!

[CAS4127]

Maybe this is more of a quesion for former players but did you guys travel in groups to make sure nothing like this happened? Another way to lookout for each other? Because I am sure there are guys out their that want to try and prove how tough they are by fighting an NDSU football player. I have know idea if this happened but I would imagine that former players have had this happen before.

Dewey

Yes, we hung out in groups and or usually went out with at least one teammate--not so much for a "lookout/protect" thing but, rather, we were all friends for the most part. That said, ya, you always had it in the back of your mind that something could happen. I will also say this: You are correct that there are people out there who want to test themselves, but there are way more who just want to try to get players in trouble because of jealousy or because they don't like the attention players get over them. It is just a fact--and it sucked.

That said, I see Travis' preliminary hearing (issue being whether probable cause exists to bind him over for trial) is scheduled for July 10th. Many times the prelim is waived, but if there is a legit defense here, the prelim may very well take place. Not saying the judge will dismiss (although that could happen), but having the prelim could certainly change public opinion in a good way. Keep in mind that Travis' will not be able to raise all of his defenses/evidence at the prelim, because officers can testify based on hearsay (meaning actual witnesses and or the victim do no have to testify. The officers can testify as to what the witnesses told them). The cool thing about a prelim is that the defense can expose weaknesses in the case, which oftentimes results in a plea bargain down to lessor offense. IMO, all three of the guys involved should just be charged with disorderly conduct, and that should be it.

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

Maybe...just MAY?BE, TB got bullied? In this day and age of anti-bullying, inst anyone in the media going to look at this possibility? But those in the media, especially McFeely, automatically assume any Bison athlete(TB or anyone else) is guilty! With all of the trash-talk that has gone on towards Bison Football players in the past year, I can envision some major trash-talking happening to TB in a bar! doesnt even have to have been in a bar either, maybe anywhere in public. I am not just assuming TB is not-guilty, but Maybe...just MAYBE, some person, or person's BULLIED TB verbally, to a point where he reacted? No one knows do they? But one things for sure, all this trash talk about Bison FB players HAS to end, especially in the so-called Media!!
He could've reacted differently though, non-violently. He could've gone straight to the FPD, also still could've walked away and just taken the BS that was given to him if that is what happened.

[MNLonghorn10]

No, no it doesn't.

You like the hodo?

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[ndsubison1]

Who's taking their girl to Sports Bar?

guys who want their gf hit on by other guys

[wow]

Maybe...just MAY?BE, TB got bullied? In this day and age of anti-bullying, inst anyone in the media going to look at this possibility? But those in the media, especially McFeely, automatically assume any Bison athlete(TB or anyone else) is guilty! With all of the trash-talk that has gone on towards Bison Football players in the past year, I can envision some major trash-talking happening to TB in a bar! doesnt even have to have been in a bar either, maybe anywhere in public. I am not just assuming TB is not-guilty, but Maybe...just MAYBE, some person, or person's BULLIED TB verbally, to a point where he reacted? No one knows do they? But one things for sure, all this trash talk about Bison FB players HAS to end, especially in the so-called Media!!

LOL, seriously? Bullying is a real problem, don't get me wrong. But are you honestly using a "he hurt my feelings" defense for a 21 year old adult who physically beat someone unconscious?

I can see the courtroom now. "But your honor, this guy was talking serious trash. He was being a big meanie. He called me a dum-dum muscle head jock. He even said my mommy was fat and easy to get in the sack."

Self defense is the only justifiable reason for the alleged actions of Travis Beck. His attorney knows it, and it sounds like that is how they are building his defense.

I have no doubt due process will happen for Travis Beck, and I'm trying not to pass judgement against him at this point. But its ridiculous to suggest that trash talk excuses physically assaulting another person.

[KSBisonFan]

Attorney: NDSU linebacker's conduct 'defensible'

http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/attorney-ndsu-linebacker-s-conduct-defensible/article_5fc3d8b6-d363-11e2-862e-0019bb2963f4.html#.UbiDqZYa2BI.email (http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/attorney-ndsu-linebacker-s-conduct-defensible/article_5fc3d8b6-d363-11e2-862e-0019bb2963f4.html#.UbiDqZYa2BI.email)

[MNLonghorn10]

guys who want their gf hit on by other guys

Haha true that.

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[thundarsdaddy]

http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/attorney-ndsu-linebacker-s-conduct-defensible/article_5fc3d8b6-d363-11e2-862e-0019bb2963f4.html#.UbiDqZYa2BI.email (http://bismarcktribune.com/news/state-and-regional/attorney-ndsu-linebacker-s-conduct-defensible/article_5fc3d8b6-d363-11e2-862e-0019bb2963f4.html#.UbiDqZYa2BI.email)

Thanks for posting this!

[NorthernBison]

Maybe...just MAY?BE, TB got bullied? In this day and age of anti-bullying, inst anyone in the media going to look at this possibility? But those in the media, especially McFeely, automatically assume any Bison athlete(TB or anyone else) is guilty! With all of the trash-talk that has gone on towards Bison Football players in the past year, I can envision some major trash-talking happening to TB in a bar! doesnt even have to have been in a bar either, maybe anywhere in public. I am not just assuming TB is not-guilty, but Maybe...just MAYBE, some person, or person's BULLIED TB verbally, to a point where he reacted? No one knows do they? But one things for sure, all this trash talk about Bison FB players HAS to end, especially in the so-called Media!!

Anybody who knows Travis is well aware that he's not a big talker. He's quiet to the point of being hard to talk to at times. I've never known him to go looking for trouble and that is backed up by people who have been around him every day.

That said, he wouldn't be scared to stand up to anybody trying to trash talk him. That attitude would also make him seem cocky and smug to anybody trying to get him riled up. The point being, his confident attitude would not help to dial down a confrontation as it would infuriate a bully.

[G_Funky]

so, realistically the only facts we know at this point is the Sports Bar is a trash hole? Gabe?

[CAS4127]

Anybody who knows Travis is well aware that he's not a big talker. He's quiet to the point of being hard to talk to at times. I've never known him to go looking for trouble and that is backed up by people who have been around him every day.

That said, he wouldn't be scared to stand up to anybody trying to trash talk him. That attitude would also make him seem cocky and smug to anybody trying to get him riled up. The point being, his confident attitude would not help to dial down a confrontation as it would infuriate a bully.

Well said, and your description of Travis describes 99% of our players!!!!

[dewey]

Yes, we hung out in groups and or usually went out with at least one teammate--not so much for a "lookout/protect" thing but, rather, we were all friends for the most part. That said, ya, you always had it in the back of your mind that something could happen. I will also say this: You are correct that there are people out there who want to test themselves, but there are way more who just want to try to get players in trouble because of jealousy or because they don't like the attention players get over them. It is just a fact--and it sucked.

That said, I see Travis' preliminary hearing (issue being whether probable cause exists to bind him over for trial) is scheduled for July 10th. Many times the prelim is waived, but if there is a legit defense here, the prelim may very well take place. Not saying the judge will dismiss (although that could happen), but having the prelim could certainly change public opinion in a good way. Keep in mind that Travis' will not be able to raise all of his defenses/evidence at the prelim, because officers can testify based on hearsay (meaning actual witnesses and or the victim do no have to testify. The officers can testify as to what the witnesses told them). The cool thing about a prelim is that the defense can expose weaknesses in the case, which oftentimes results in a plea bargain down to lessor offense. IMO, all three of the guys involved should just be charged with disorderly conduct, and that should be it.

Thanks for the thoughts CAS.

Dewey

[TAILG8R]

You like the hodo?

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I would pay $8 for a crappy Morgan at the Hodo before I sat in the Sports Bar and drank for free.

[EndZoneQB]

I would pay $8 for a crappy Morgan at the Hodo before I sat in the Sports Bar and drank for free.

Man, I've always had a good time at Sports Bar. You get that little spot up front by the pool table and you are golden. Then again, this was 3-4 years ago.

[MNLonghorn10]

I would pay $8 for a crappy Morgan at the Hodo before I sat in the Sports Bar and drank for free.

Both are cramped. Depends if you want to surround yourself with important people or college kids

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[TAILG8R]

Both are cramped. Depends if you want to surround yourself with important people or college kids

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Yeah and wanting to be around college kids stopped for me about 10-15 years ago.

[EndZoneQB]

Yeah and wanting to be around college kids stopped for me about 10-15 years ago.

College dudes, definitely. College chicks? That's ever increasing lol

[devin45k]

I would pay $8 for a crappy Morgan at the Hodo before I sat in the Sports Bar and drank for free.


I am only 25 but I already don't like to hang around "college" bars anymore.

[MNLonghorn10]

I am only 25 but I already don't like to hang around "college" bars anymore.

I'm 27 and I could go-to rooters,sz or sb and not feel weird..not ob. Now if we're on an ndsu football roadtrip...all rules are thrown out

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[HerdBot]

I'm not saying he shouldn't defend himself when attacked, by that point the proverbial Rubicon has been crossed and he's in a fight whether he wanted to be or not. What I'm saying is that I think there were opportunities for him to use better judgement earlier in the night when he could've left before things turned to fisticuffs. I may be wrong because I wasn't there and know nothing more than what I've read about it. But I think it's very unlikely that he did nothing to escalate the situation prior to being attacked if that is indeed what happened.

Regardless, I'd say we've probably seen the last active Bison football player that will frequent Sports Bar for a while.

I agree. In my younger days I would have stuck around. In my older days I would have gotten the hell out of there. Its not illegal to stick around but its not smart.

Then again I guarantee you that Travis Beck can do a better job of taking care of himself than I can so he probably doesn't worry about getting into a physical altercation

[Rockbear99]

Then again I guarantee you that Travis Beck can do a better job of taking care of himself than I can so he probably doesn't worry about getting into a physical altercation

Maybe you should think about putting a little weight on so you can defend yourself better if need be.

[tony]

Maybe you should think about putting a little weight on so you can defend yourself better if need be.

I'm more of the opposite. I'm working on speed so I can run away faster.

[THEsocalledfan]

I'm more of the opposite. I'm working on speed so I can run away faster.

Which is, ironically, what Beck and any other players in this situation should do. But, it isn't very manly is it?

[56BISON73]

Maybe this is more of a quesion for former players but did you guys travel in groups to make sure nothing like this happened? Another way to lookout for each other? Because I am sure there are guys out their that want to try and prove how tough they are by fighting an NDSU football player. I have know idea if this happened but I would imagine that former players have had this happen before.

Dewey


I wouldnt say we traveled in groups. Guys would get together because he was a teammate and had a car. There was no worry about shit like that happening. If it did happen when a fight was over that was the end of it. Not the BS pussy ramifications like today.
Plus when we hung out it was at The OLD Sports Bar. It was a jock bar at the time and nobody else went there except working class dudes who had been regulars for years. So there were no problems there and if there was it was amongst teammates.

[runtheoption]

That's why you do these two things. First, consider what might happen while you're out drinking and consider possible solutions like the above long in advance. Maybe toss around ideas with peers(teammates) until you find a few you like. By making plans ahead of time, you're not struggling to come up with a solution in the heat of the moment. Second, don't get wasted in public. I mean intoxicated enough that you can't enact your plans. If you do get that wasted, make sure you have a couple friends with you that don't get that wasted and can take your place in any confrontation; kind of like a designated driver of sorts. The two worst situations are to be wasted and alone or in a group where everyone is wasted. Nothing good will come of those and potentially a lot of bad. Yep. You gotta do your thinkin' before you do your drinkin'.

[Bison 4 Life]

I wouldnt say we traveled in groups. Guys would get together because he was a teammate and had a car. There was no worry about shit like that happening. If it did happen when a fight was over that was the end of it. Not the BS pussy ramifications like today.


That was before the OB opened. Did you guys go down NP back then?

[GradBison]

I wouldnt say we traveled in groups. Guys would get together because he was a teammate and had a car. There was no worry about shit like that happening. If it did happen when a fight was over that was the end of it. Not the BS pussy ramifications like today.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-loYYqK5KlhQ/TtjT44cLIRI/AAAAAAAAAbg/GuT2UihtdWw/s1600/No+BS.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YTTuGBoVyHc/TQogfaab1yI/AAAAAAAAAtw/0eAHIkB8ayo/s400/adorable_kitten_cute.jpg http://www.moviequoter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/stache-ramathorn1.jpg ?

[56BISON73]

That was before the OB opened. Did you guys go down NP back then?

Not much if at all. Sometimes the Gaslight if you had a date. You have to remember there werent any college bars in the area back in those days except for the Dirty Bird. And it became kind of a college bar when MN turned 18 in the summer of 73.

[Bisonator98]

Maybe this was GT idea for getting everyone off his back about the schedule?

[Bison 4 Life]

Not much if at all. Sometimes the Gaslight if you had a date. You have to remember there werent any college bars in the area back in those days except for the Dirty Bird. And it became kind of a college bar when MN turned 18 in the summer of 73.

I think I heard of the Gaslight. Never heard of the Dirty Bird.

[tony]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-loYYqK5KlhQ/TtjT44cLIRI/AAAAAAAAAbg/GuT2UihtdWw/s1600/No+BS.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YTTuGBoVyHc/TQogfaab1yI/AAAAAAAAAtw/0eAHIkB8ayo/s400/adorable_kitten_cute.jpg http://www.moviequoter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/stache-ramathorn1.jpg ?

Awarding my first rebus rep.

[KSBisonFan]

Maybe this was GT idea for getting everyone off his back about the schedule?

I'll just assume we'll hear something on Friday like every week the last couple months. Only difference is this Friday when we don't hear anything, I'll have my beer in the cryowave so it's ice cold and ready to go instead of waiting 5 minutes for the ice to cool it down. /no purple font

[Bisonator98]

I'm curious about the releasing of the video in TB's case. The PD says they can't release the video in this case because it's an on-going investigation. Yet they release video or photos in other cases when they want the publics help in finding a suspect. Is it legal for them to with hold the video from media requests?

[G_Funky]

I'm curious about the releasing of the video in TB's case. The PD says they can't release the video in this case because it's an on-going investigation. Yet they release video or photos in other cases when they want the publics help in finding a suspect. Is it legal for them to with hold the video from media requests?

Im not sure about the legality of withholding the vid but you would think it were illegal the media would have their hands all over it...

[CAS4127]

I'm curious about the releasing of the video in TB's case. The PD says they can't release the video in this case because it's an on-going investigation. Yet they release video or photos in other cases when they want the publics help in finding a suspect. Is it legal for them to with hold the video from media requests?


Im not sure about the legality of withholding the vid but you would think it were illegal the media would have their hands all over it...

Ongoing investigation and pending criminal charges-->yep, they can legalally withhold it from public for now. Will be interesting if it gets played/viewed at the Preliminary Hearing scheduled for July 10th?!?!?!? Can't imagine there won't be requests for "expanded media coverage" on this case. Also, if it's real good for Travis, there is always the possibility it slips out somehow . . . funny how that happens sometimes.

[tjbison]

Ongoing investigation and pending criminal charges-->yep, they can legalally withhold it from public for now. Will be interesting if it gets played/viewed at the Preliminary Hearing scheduled for July 10th?!?!?!? Can't imagine there won't be requests for "expanded media coverage" on this case. Also, if it's real good for Travis, there is always the possibility it slips out somehow . . . funny how that happens sometimes.

the longer it stays unreleased would seem there is evidence in Beckstead favor wouldn't it?

[CAS4127]

the longer it stays unreleased would seem there is evidence in Beckstead favor wouldn't it?

Oh, IDK!! If we were in a major media area, major city and this was a major story about a bigtime athlete, then probably yes. Those same principals don't apply to us way up and isolated in Nodak-->that's bigtime stuff!

[Bisonator98]

It's safe to say Travis's attorney has seen said video right?

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

It's safe to say Travis's attorney has seen said video right?

A dozen times I would say.

[THEsocalledfan]

It's safe to say Travis's attorney has seen said video right?

PRAYING it shows a guy taking a swing at him, and he retaliates with a couple punches and the guy goes down and he quits......please, please, please.....

[CAS4127]

It's safe to say Travis's attorney has seen said video right?


A dozen times I would say.

This IS NOT CSI or NCIS or whatever other stupid effing shows that are on TV relating to criminal investigations. It actually takes a week or more for the prosecution to get disclosures/discovery to the defense attorney. I know-->hard to believe isn't it?!?

I would strike both of you from my jury pool just for watching those shows btw!!!! /kinda purple (Salmon?!?!?!?)

[56BISON73]

I think I heard of the Gaslight. Never heard of the Dirty Bird.

Its where bww is in mh. It had 3 bars at one time. What's the OB?

[Bisonator98]

This IS NOT CSI or NCIS or whatever other stupid effing shows that are on TV relating to criminal investigations. It actually takes a week or more for the prosecution to get disclosures/discovery to the defense attorney. I know-->hard to believe isn't it?!?

I would strike both of you from my jury pool just for watching those shows btw!!!! /kinda purple (Salmon?!?!?!?)

You would think his attorney would not have made a comment until seeing all the evidence first.

[#1BISONFAN ASHLEY]

You would think his attorney would not have made a comment until seeing all the evidence first.
That is where i was getting at.......

[CAS4127]

You would think his attorney would not have made a comment until seeing all the evidence first.

I'm sure he talked to Travis and, keep this in mind, the report the media and everyone else has seen/read about IS NOT THE FULL REPORT, it's not even the investigating officer's report. The report is from the officer who assisted and arrested Travis based upon what the investigating office told him to do. Ya, he talked to Travis in the squad car, but that is about it. Like I have said repeatedly, way more to the story.

For example, everyone points out the witnesses said Travis was the aggressor. That can mean several things, one of which is Travis was the more aggressive fighter involved. Well, no sh#t, but that does not mean he was the one who started the fight. Did he respond and fight more "aggressively"?!?! We know the answer because we know the outcome, right?!?!

[G_Funky]

This IS NOT CSI or NCIS or whatever other stupid effing shows that are on TV relating to criminal investigations. It actually takes a week or more for the prosecution to get disclosures/discovery to the defense attorney. I know-->hard to believe isn't it?!?

I would strike both of you from my jury pool just for watching those shows btw!!!! /kinda purple (Salmon?!?!?!?)

You cant be trying to tell us those shows are fictional? You're saying there is not a database with every finger print, of every person whoever lived, from whatever country...EVER!? Not buying it...

[THEsocalledfan]

I'm sure he talked to Travis and, keep this in mind, the report the media and everyone else has seen/read about IS NOT THE FULL REPORT, it's not even the investigating officer's report. The report is from the officer who assisted and arrested Travis based upon what the investigating office told him to do. Ya, he talked to Travis in the squad car, but that is about it. Like I have said repeatedly, way more to the story.

For example, everyone points out the witnesses said Travis was the aggressor. That can mean several things, one of which is Travis was the more aggressive fighter involved. Well, no sh#t, but that does not mean he was the one who started the fight. Did he respond and fight more "aggressively"?!?! We know the answer because we know the outcome, right?!?!

So, the real question is if Beck fought you, who would win? That is the important question we all want to know. D1 national champion vs. D2 linebacker from what is considered the greatest of great bison teams. I'd pay for admission.

[MAKBison]

Yes, we hung out in groups and or usually went out with at least one teammate--not so much for a "lookout/protect" thing but, rather, we were all friends for the most part. That said, ya, you always had it in the back of your mind that something could happen. I will also say this: You are correct that there are people out there who want to test themselves, but there are way more who just want to try to get players in trouble because of jealousy or because they don't like the attention players get over them. It is just a fact--and it sucked.

That said, I see Travis' preliminary hearing (issue being whether probable cause exists to bind him over for trial) is scheduled for July 10th. Many times the prelim is waived, but if there is a legit defense here, the prelim may very well take place. Not saying the judge will dismiss (although that could happen), but having the prelim could certainly change public opinion in a good way. Keep in mind that Travis' will not be able to raise all of his defenses/evidence at the prelim, because officers can testify based on hearsay (meaning actual witnesses and or the victim do no have to testify. The officers can testify as to what the witnesses told them). The cool thing about a prelim is that the defense can expose weaknesses in the case, which oftentimes results in a plea bargain down to lessor offense. IMO, all three of the guys involved should just be charged with disorderly conduct, and that should be it.


MO, all three of the guys involved should just be charged with disorderly conduct, and that should be it.

Agreed!!!! seems very much like a MC situation and was over once the one kid could no longer consent to the fight.

[CAS4127]

So, the real question is if Beck fought you, who would win? That is the important question we all want to know. D1 national champion vs. D2 linebacker from what is considered the greatest of great bison teams. I'd pay for admission.

Can I hit rewind on my body to when I was in my early 20's?!


You cant be trying to tell us those shows are fictional? You're saying there is not a database with every finger print, of every person whoever lived, from whatever country...EVER!? Not buying it...

GASP, no, no there isn't. And sometime autopsies take well over an hour to be preformed and reported on./light salmon


MO, all three of the guys involved should just be charged with disorderly conduct, and that should be it.

Agreed!!!! seems very much like a MC situation and was over once the one kid could no longer consent to the fight.

That's exactly what I am saying!!

That all said: I checked the court records and I don't see where Quick has even requested discovery or even officially noted his appearance on behalf of Travis. Consequently, he likely does not have any reports yet-->do the math on why he said what he did.

[56BISON73]

This IS NOT CSI or NCIS or whatever other stupid effing shows that are on TV relating to criminal investigations. It actually takes a week or more for the prosecution to get disclosures/discovery to the defense attorney. I know-->hard to believe isn't it?!?

I would strike both of you from my jury pool just for watching those shows btw!!!! /kinda purple (Salmon?!?!?!?)

What? Wait till Gibbs gets a hold of your bedazzled azz.

[EndZoneQB]

Its where bww is in mh. It had 3 bars at one time. What's the OB?

Old Broadway.


You would think his attorney would not have made a comment until seeing all the evidence first.

Who says he hasn't seen ENOUGH?

[westnodak93bison]

MO, all three of the guys involved should just be charged with disorderly conduct, and that should be it.

Agreed!!!! seems very much like a MC situation and was over once the one kid could no longer consent to the fight.

If someone is merely defending himself why should he be charged?

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[CAS4127]

If someone is merely defending himself why should he be charged?

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Well there is the arguing and making a public scene in both the bar and outside = disorderly conduct!!

[westnodak93bison]

Well there is the arguing and making a public scene in both the bar and outside = disorderly conduct!!

OK. Maybe that was the case. Does anyone know if the police where called when they were inside and how long where they outside before the cops showed up?

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[CAS4127]

OK. Maybe that was the case. Does anyone know if the police where called when they were inside and how long where they outside before the cops showed up?

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Police not called by anyone at the bar or outside. Passing cabby called it in when he noticed what looked like "something" going on. Bar closes at 2, and arrest was at 2:45.

[thebigund]

I'm sure he talked to Travis and, keep this in mind, the report the media and everyone else has seen/read about IS NOT THE FULL REPORT, it's not even the investigating officer's report. The report is from the officer who assisted and arrested Travis based upon what the investigating office told him to do. Ya, he talked to Travis in the squad car, but that is about it. Like I have said repeatedly, way more to the story.

For example, everyone points out the witnesses said Travis was the aggressor. That can mean several things, one of which is Travis was the more aggressive fighter involved. Well, no sh#t, but that does not mean he was the one who started the fight. Did he respond and fight more "aggressively"?!?! We know the answer because we know the outcome, right?!?!
An interesting read that also points out how inaccurate the human memory can be and how events can be perceived as reality when they are very far from.

http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Papers/Py104/loftus.mem.html

Another reason they could be calling Mr. Beck the aggressor is because they know what he does to people on the football field, he has long hair, and is a well built dude. I don't put much value in what people 'see' or 'think' about a situation that happens very fast and is full of emotion.

[jack power]

An interesting read that also points out how inaccurate the human memory can be and how events can be perceived as reality when they are very far from.

http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Papers/Py104/loftus.mem.html

Another reason they could be calling Mr. Beck the aggressor is because they know what he does to people on the football field, he has long hair, and is a well built dude. I don't put much value in what people 'see' or 'think' about a situation that happens very fast and is full of emotion.
What do you put value in?

[tjbison]

An interesting read that also points out how inaccurate the human memory can be and how events can be perceived as reality when they are very far from.

http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Papers/Py104/loftus.mem.html

Another reason they could be calling Mr. Beck the aggressor is because they know what he does to people on the football field, he has long hair, and is a well built dude. I don't put much value in what people 'see' or 'think' about a situation that happens very fast and is full of DRUNK emotion.

holy shiat I agree with you


I really really hope Beck is proven not guilty so I can eat crow, but I still wish he didn't get involved at all....

[bisonaudit]

Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable.

The cops showed up it looked like he was leaving, he apparently didn't come back when they called for him and he apparently resisted when they pursued him. That's not winning him any favors in the eyes of the officers on the scene. But that's why he's got an attorney and why we have the process that we do.

[thebigund]

What do you put value in?
Definitely not eye witness reports from a bunch of wound up drunk ass college kids who just witnessed a fight.

[CAS4127]

An interesting read that also points out how inaccurate the human memory can be and how events can be perceived as reality when they are very far from.

http://users.ecs.soton.ac.uk/harnad/Papers/Py104/loftus.mem.html

Another reason they could be calling Mr. Beck the aggressor is because they know what he does to people on the football field, he has long hair, and is a well built dude. I don't put much value in what people 'see' or 'think' about a situation that happens very fast and is full of emotion.

There also studies indicating that eyewitness testimony is not the most reliable--kinda in line with your link.

Also, and think about this, do any of you really believe any of the witnesses used the term "aggressor"?! No way!! That was a conclusion by the officer based upon what witnesses told him based on their perceptions, biases etc.


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[NorthernBison]

I'm bothered a bit by the time between 2:00 and 2:45.

Other than that, I can't see Travis "picking a fight" but I also don't see him running away either. I feel pretty sick about this whole situation.

[G_Funky]

I'm bothered a bit by the time between 2:00 and 2:45.

Other than that, I can't see Travis "picking a fight" but I also don't see him running away either. I feel pretty sick about this whole situation.

The small amount of info released and the wording used by different media outlets has everyone in a tizzy, myself included. The whole story seems to resemble swiss cheese...

[CAS4127]

I'm bothered a bit by the time between 2:00 and 2:45.

Other than that, I can't see Travis "picking a fight" but I also don't see him running away either. I feel pretty sick about this whole situation.

Arrest was at 2:45. Oftentimes an arrest is not made for many minutes, or longer, after police arrive. My guess, fight doesn't start till 2:10 or so, over in 5 minutes max, and cops show up almost immediately after fight.


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[jack power]

Definitely not eye witness reports from a bunch of wound up drunk ass college kids who just witnessed a fight.
That doesn't answer my question. BTW, how do you know the eye witness(s) were drunk or college kids?