Sagarin says

[thebootfitter]

How much ratings value does NDSU add? I.E., what would be MVC rating without NDSU? Conversely, what would each non Big 5 conference rating be if NDSU was in each conference? I would be very interested to see how much NDSU would inflate the MAC and Sun Belt's rankings.

Check Hammersmith's post 1352 for Sagarin's conference weighting methodology. I haven't punched the numbers, but MVFC without NDSU probably wouldn't change a lot.

[Hammersmith]

How much ratings value does NDSU add? I.E., what would be MVC rating without NDSU? Conversely, what would each non Big 5 conference rating be if NDSU was in each conference? I would be very interested to see how much NDSU would inflate the MAC and Sun Belt's rankings.

The answer to all your questions is almost nothing at all. Since NDSU is the top team of the MVFC and would be the top team of every G5 conference, we have very little impact. And the larger the conference, the smaller the impact.

MVFC: 1/30 of the conference rating
AAC: 1/36
SBC: 1/36
MWC: 1/42
C-USA: 1/49
MAC: 1/49


For instance, the 13-team MAC w/o NDSU is 57.36. A 13-team MAC with the top team replaced w/ NDSU is 57.57. A 14-team MAC w/ NDSU is 58.34.

Since the next conference above the MAC is C-USA at 60.19, you can see that even the best case doesn't make that much of a difference. And even most of the jump in the last number isn't actually coming directly from NDSU. It's really coming from NDSU bumping the top half MAC teams down into slots that are worth more, and bumping the bottom half MAC teams into slots that count less.

[Tatanka]

Ahhhh, but I think the harder question to answer is what boost conference teams get from playing the bison and playing teams that play the bison... I agree with you on your conference weighting however I'm pretty sure even the middle teams get a boost from the bison on their schedule, don't they?
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[bisonaudit]

Ahhhh, but I think the harder question to answer is what boost conference teams get from playing the bison and playing teams that play the bison... I agree with you on your conference weighting however I'm pretty sure even the middle teams get a boost from the bison on their schedule, don't they?
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Only if they play well. SOS is more of an output than in input.

[IzzyFlexion]

I suddenly feel blissful for some reason.

[SoCalBison]

An impressive jump from 34 last week to 28 this week for the Bison. Bison are one of just two teams with 9-0 records--Coastal Carolina (#85) is the other. Just three teams have 8-0 records: Mississippi State (5), Florida State (13) and Marshall (36).

Let the analysis begin!

[westnodak93bison]

An impressive jump from 34 last week to 28 this week for the Bison. Bison are one of just two teams with 9-0 records--Coastal Carolina (#85) is the other. Just three teams have 8-0 records: Mississippi State (5), Florida State (13) and Marshall (36).

Let the analysis begin!

Sounds like we must go FBS!

[NDSU1980]

Sounds like we must go FBS!

You forgot the purple!

[Bison bison]

Not really.

Where would they go? The MAC?

[Hammersmith]

Probably my last one of these. Someone else can take over if they want. Over the last few months, coming to BV has become more like a chore to me than something I actually enjoy. So I think I'm going to walk away for awhile. Maybe a few weeks, maybe more. I left ss for the same reason after the missing NDSU student incident. I wasn't going to say anything, but I realized a few people might be expecting the weekly sagarin update and it would be rude to disappear without saying anything. So someone else can pick this up if they want; it's not exactly rocket science. Takes about a half hour each Sunday morning to do the whole thing.

Sagarin's Week 11 Predictions

			       Sagarin	  Predict    Result	 Diff
 28	North Dakota State	79.93			
 61	Iowa State		70.06      +6.70     +20.00	+13.30
210	Weber State		39.80	  +36.96     +17.00	-19.96
234	Incarnate Word		28.92	  +54.18     +58.00	 +3.82
131	Montana			56.30	  +26.80     +12.00	-14.80
145	Western Illinois	53.90	  +22.86      +7.00	-15.86
106	Southern Illinois	61.58	  +21.52     +28.00	 +6.48
 98	Indiana State		62.53	  +20.57     +17.00	 -3.57
171	South Dakota		49.03	  +27.73     +40.00	+12.27
 87	South Dakota State	65.01	  +18.09     +20.00	 +1.91
 77	Northern Iowa		67.22	   +9.54		
115	Missouri State		60.04	  +16.72		
110	Youngstown State	61.11	  +21.99		
					
 62	Illinois State		69.94			
						Total Diff:	-16.41
	Home Field		 3.17

Sagarin FCS Top-25

 1   28  North Dakota State
 2   62  Illinois State
 3   66  Jacksonville State
 4   73  New Hampshire
 5   77  Northern Iowa
 6   82  Villanova
 7   85  Coastal Carolina
 8   87  South Dakota State
 9   88  Harvard
10   89  Chattanooga
11   94  Richmond
12   96  Eastern Washington
13   97  Liberty
14   98  Indiana State
15  110  Youngstown State
16  108  SE Louisiana
17  115  Missouri State
18  101  Sam Houston State
19  100  McNeese State
20  106  Southern Illinois
21  113  Fordham
22  120  Samford
23  121  Idaho State
24  122  Eastern Illinois
25  127  Eastern Kentucky

Sagarin Top-5 FCS Conferences

1.  MVFC	62.76
2.  Colonial	50.27
3.  Southern	49.62
4.  Big South   49.88
5.  Southland	49.14

FBS Comparisons

#1 in the AAC, C-USA, MAC, MWC, & Sun Belt
#4 in the ACC
#5 in the Big Ten
#6 in the Big 12
#7 in the PAC-12
#9 in the SEC

Non-P5 Top 10 Conferences

1.  AAC		64.20
2.  MWC		63.54
3.  MVFC	62.76
4.  C-USA	59.37
5.  MAC		57.32
6.  SBC		56.29
7.  CAA 	50.27
8.  SoCon 	49.62
9.  Big South   49.88
10. SLC		49.14