lets drop baseball and add hockey

[abc123]

The budget UND spends is similar, but has UND ever been a football power? No, they've had good teams and good stretches, but one championship vs. 8 championships? Not a comparison.
Basketball, UND's team, is terrible. Traditionally, I have zero idea about them but watching them play the Herd in the dome, they sucked. Losing the second half by....28 or something? To an average Bison team? Embarassing.

Maybe we were just spoiled, throughout our transition to D1 we had solid basketball and maybe the best FCS team in the country. I don't know. And just like how NDSU has mostly football fans, UND has mostly hockey, don't try and kid yourself. Obviously they have about 6-7 thousand football fans. Don't say, oh we had a bad year. When the herd had a bad season, they still were getting 14-15 thousand people. UND fans are not as supportive of lesser sports as the Bison are. Its just how it goes. Not saying that makes them bad or wrong. Just different.

My thoughts exactly. You went over to siouxsports.com and made an idiot of yourself with your lack of knowledge and yet it hasn't stopped you.

[344Johnson]

My thoughts exactly. You went over to siouxsports.com and made an idiot of yourself with your lack of knowledge and yet it hasn't stopped you.

You are defending that basketball team? They were bad

[DjKyRo]

You are defending that basketball team? They were bad

I think he's defending you making rash generalizations about their athletic programs without having actually checked to see if you were right. I think UND blows as much as anyone but how about you check up on the facts first? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Sioux_football

NCC Champs = 24
Overall record = 595-353-30 (.624) (believe that's accurate to a year ago)

Again, the Siouxage are super lame but you sound straight-up stupid assuming they have a bad history. Very competitive teams all throughout the era of Bison dominance, we just won more championships. We're the better program but they were by no means poor.

[lakesbison]

they havent been above 300 RPI in years.

[344Johnson]

I think he's defending you making rash generalizations about their athletic programs without having actually checked to see if you were right. I think UND blows as much as anyone but how about you check up on the facts first? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Sioux_football

NCC Champs = 24
Overall record = 595-353-30 (.624) (believe that's accurate to a year ago)

Again, the Siouxage are super lame but you sound straight-up stupid assuming they have a bad history. Very competitive teams all throughout the era of Bison dominance, we just won more championships. We're the better program but they were by no means poor.

Oh, never assumed they had a bad history. Just nothing special either. Very competitive throughout all the years of dominance? One of those games was something like 63-12. There is a difference between the simdorn, beachy administrations and the Bentrim "Reagan" Administration.

[344Johnson]

My thoughts exactly. You went over to siouxsports.com and made an idiot of yourself with your lack of knowledge and yet it hasn't stopped you.

And had you kept reading you would have noticed I said THIS YEAR, they were bad. Truly terrible. I didn't say any word about the history of their basketball team other than the 2010-2011 season. It happens, we have bad years in sports too. Don't sweat it.

[TheBisonator]

I think he's defending you making rash generalizations about their athletic programs without having actually checked to see if you were right. I think UND blows as much as anyone but how about you check up on the facts first? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Sioux_football

NCC Champs = 24
Overall record = 595-353-30 (.624) (believe that's accurate to a year ago)

Again, the Siouxage are super lame but you sound straight-up stupid assuming they have a bad history. Very competitive teams all throughout the era of Bison dominance, we just won more championships. We're the better program but they were by no means poor.

If I recall from looking at the archives, UND football has had stretch runs of seasons in the latter half of the 20th century where they did HORRIBLY, like winning 2 or 3 or 4 games a year. And these weren't just a season here or there, they were like anti-dynasties full of bad, losing seasons.

By contrast, NDSU has only had THREE seasons of 3 wins or less since 1964. And two of them happened in the last decade!! Even in the years from 1993-2003 (the years sue fans like to rip on us for losing all the time to them), we were competing for conference championships almost every year. I think the exceptions were 2002 and 2001 (I think, it was the 5-6 year right after the year we played on the kitty litter at Delta State).

UND was PITIFUL throughout the 80's. Yeah, NDSU was also pitiful in the late 50's and early 60's, but that was long enough in the past, and we've managed not to have anything like that happen again. We were almost ALWAYS in a better position than them to win the conference and playoffs or win a championship in football from the 1960's to 2003.

As for UND basketball?? They've been a complete nothing for the past 10 years, and that's all I care about or am willing to go back for.

So in summation, to say that UND football and basketball has this rich, outstanding tradition of winning that can be built upon - I don't buy it.

[344Johnson]

If I recall from looking at the archives, UND football has had stretch runs of seasons in the latter half of the 20th century where they did HORRIBLY, like winning 2 or 3 or 4 games a year. And these weren't just a season here or there, they were like anti-dynasties full of bad, losing seasons.

By contrast, NDSU has only had THREE seasons of 3 wins or less since 1964. And two of them happened in the last decade!! Even in the years from 1993-2003 (the years sue fans like to rip on us for losing all the time to them), we were competing for conference championships almost every year. I think the exceptions were 2002 and 2001 (I think, it was the 5-6 year right after the year we played on the kitty litter at Delta State).

UND was PITIFUL throughout the 80's. Yeah, NDSU was also pitiful in the late 50's and early 60's, but that was long enough in the past, and we've managed not to have anything like that happen again. We were almost ALWAYS in a better position than them to win the conference and playoffs or win a championship in football from the 1960's to 2003.
As for UND basketball?? They've been a complete nothing for the past 10 years, and that's all I care about or am willing to go back for.

So in summation, to say that UND football and basketball has this rich, outstanding tradition of winning that can be built upon - I don't buy it.

THANK YOU! It gets old when people say we should respect UND's great football tradition, What tradition? Oh all of those conference championships.....alright cool. What about National Championships? In 85 or 86 I think the Bison beat them 63-12. Football teams with tradition don't get rocked like that.

When I talk to siouxage fans, I usually mention that NDSU has had the better teams for the past 50 years or so, including the rough run in 93-03. They say that a worse team can't beat better ones consistently like that. One day perhaps they will understand how the great game of football works.

[abc123]

THANK YOU! It gets old when people say we should respect UND's great football tradition, What tradition? Oh all of those conference championships.....alright cool. What about National Championships? In 85 or 86 I think the Bison beat them 63-12. Football teams with tradition don't get rocked like that.

When I talk to siouxage fans, I usually mention that NDSU has had the better teams for the past 50 years or so, including the rough run in 93-03. They say that a worse team can't beat better ones consistently like that. One day perhaps they will understand how the great game of football works.

Weird how you have those conversations with people but already admitted that you didn't know anything about UND football or its history.
http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/1...47#entry501247

[344Johnson]

History, being anything before the 80's. I take peoples word who were around when they say 60's is when NDSU started turning it on especially against UND. Can I personally confirm it or do I know the statistics other than 8 championships against 1 for UND? No, not at all. In fact I was very surprised to hear UND has had that many conference titles and a pretty good of a winning percentage, but thats still not football tradition. Tradition is what we have. Or on a bigger scale, what Oklahoma, Alabama, USC, Nebraska, etc. have. UND is a little harder to compare...maybe a Colorado or something? Sometimes pretty good, but not a whole lot to show for it.