lets drop baseball and add hockey

[344Johnson]

Another peculiar post from "344Johnson"...Buthockey?

I am but a poser of Buthockey. The Robin to his Batman!

[coldspot]

I am but a poser of Buthockey. The Robin to his Batman!

Batman and Robin "played for the other team" NSFW

not sure how that works with buthockey, those hockey players are such suave gentlemen, except for that sean avery guy, he's questionable with the whole purse thing.

[bisonpride]

I am fairly involved with Fargo youth hockey and I will pass along some numbers. We anticipate close to 1,000 kids next year (boys and girls) playing hockey from the termite( age 4,5,6,) - bantams ( 9th/10th grade). These kids are growing up in Fargo (which is in the Great state of North Dakota). Think about it. Btw, this does not include West Fargo. This is valid information. I know many of you dislike hockey but the growing numbers are certainly showing that once kids play it becomes their sport of choice.

Ages 8-15 Fargo Babe Ruth Only (no West Fargo or Moorhead) over 900 kids. That does not include ages 4-7 who play park board ball.

South and Shanley had to co-op to have a Varsity/JV for Hockey. Their are over 90 kids out for baseball between the 2 schools.

The numbers dont even come close to comparing.

[CAS4127]

Why does NDSU need hockey, why??!!! Answer, we don't. First, IMO, it would be detrimental to our other programs, and, second, we ALL already know how to "flip the bird" to someone we are pissed at.

I get the "NDSU should start D1 hockey" from most of my UND hockey friends. When I ask why, I get some bumbling, stumbling almost incoherent (and, no, they aren't all necessarily drunk at the time) response that results in my conclusion that they want us to start hockey so that they have sport they can consistently beat us in. Do we really want that?! If we were to go the hockey route, then we would get even more "butthockey" responses. For example, we could continue to rub FB and BB into their faces, and we would get a, "butthockey" response even more so then we do now.

Sorry, that's not for me!

[skolbrother]

Ages 8-15 Fargo Babe Ruth Only (no West Fargo or Moorhead) over 900 kids. That does not include ages 4-7 who play park board ball.

South and Shanley had to co-op to have a Varsity/JV for Hockey. Their are over 90 kids out for baseball between the 2 schools.

The numbers dont even come close to comparing.

You are right at the high school level. The 3rd high school created a bit of a demographics problem for South.

That said, at the termite and mite level they are setting records for participation.

I am just giving you the numbers and the growing levels of participation at the youth level. I have specific numbers but my point was if kids are playing hockey and enjoying it and growing up in North Dakota they are going to typically choose a team to cheer for at the college level.

[344Johnson]

You are right at the high school level. The 3rd high school created a bit of a demographics problem for South.

That said, at the termite and mite level they are setting records for participation.

I am just giving you the numbers and the growing levels of participation at the youth level. I have specific numbers but my point was if kids are playing hockey and enjoying it and growing up in North Dakota they are going to typically choose a team to cheer for at the college level.

I can see what you are saying. But a lot of kids can be seen at wrestling tournements sporting some sioux clothing. The Sioux dont have wrestling...haven't for awhile. Granted, you do see more NDSU and Univ. of Mary than UND stuff but still.

[abc123]

NCAA FINAL FOUR - KENTUCKY/UCONN CBS Sat 8:57 PM 16,715,000 MILLION


http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...her-more/88799

Thursday top 10 Cable Ratings.

#1 swamp people 3.5 million
#10 terminator .625 million

frozen 4 not even in top 20.

***********************************************


Saturday

#1 Masters 7.7million
#2Nascar 3.5million
#8 NCAA hockey .3million

8 PM Shows:
The Mentalist (CBS) [repeat] – 4.1 million
Harry’s Law (NBC) [repeat] – 3.5 million

9 PM Shows:
Criminal Minds: Suspect Behavior (CBS) [repeat] – 4.3 million
Law & Order: Los Angeles (NBC) [repeat] – 3.8 million

10 PM Show:
Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (NBC) [repeat] – 5.1 million


NO ONE CARES ABOUT COLLEGE HOCKEY IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY

While the numbers aren't even close to in the same neighborhood as the basketball tournament, the NCAA is reporting via twitter that the semi-final games were the highest rated and most watched ever and the 2011 Frozen Four tournament itself was second-highest rated of all time with 3.2 million watching. I'm assuming that's combined for all three games, though I can't find anything to verify that. If that is the case, and the average is over 1 million per game, not bad for a regional sport that no one cares about. Lakes, I'm not sure how that matches up with your numbers above, but it seems taht something doesn't match up.

[lakesbison]

well, I dont see those #'s anywhere.


http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/201...and-more/89086

top 25 cable for that week, they arent in the top 25.


however, 3 Million could be for all 3 games, that would make sense, But I cant see it anywhere, ill keep lookin. 750,000 for each semi and 1.5 for finale?? could be.

[abc123]

Out of every 1,000 Sioux Hockey fans in F-M (and in general throughout the region, for that matter), I would bet that less than 50 of them are fans of their football and basketball. And I'm probably being be generous when I say 50. As a matter of fact, I'm being incredibly generous. Look at the # of posts on the SS board. Their hockey forum grinds out activity and posts non-stop, 24/7 365. Their football forum can go days without a new post. Look, UND has created a brand around HOCKEY, but it's HOCKEY ONLY. I get sick and tired of seeing the dumbass posts on the SS board (especially from that star guy) about thinking that non-hockey sports can benefit and piggyback from hockey's popularity up north. NEWS FLASH: Your attendances in FB and BB suggest otherwise. (And recent NDSU beatdowns of UND in the other sports don't help your cause).

UND, despite what some of the winged monkeys in SS claim, has put all their eggs in the hockey basket. They have a cracked shell in the FB basket and a drop of yolk in the hoops basket. That's fine by me, honestly. I personally think it's better that they're known for a sport that we don't have. This region (ND and Western MN) is too small in population for each school's accomplishments to not have a negative effect on the other. In other words, this region is too small for the NDSU/UND battle to not be a zero-sum game. It's a zero-sum game, and it always will be. What's good for NDSU is bad for UND, and vice-versa. This is why I think that NDSU being successful in FB and BB takes away prestige and support from UND's FB and BB, especially when you consider that UND's hockey is always really good. Back in the DII days, it was possible for both schools to be really good in FB and BB and have major accomplishments and fan followings, but this is DI. The pie hasn't gotten much bigger, but the stakes have gotten WAY higher.

UND being really good in hockey and NDSU dominating the FB and BB sports is just like a cosmic balance when you think about it. It's almost the natural order of things. If NDSU tries to duplicate what UND is doing in hockey, that throws off the whole balance at a detriment to NDSU's FB and BB programs. I'm more worried than anything about the balance being distrupted, cause I'm not willing to be a fan of a school that competes well in hockey and goes 3-8 in football and does terrible in basketball.

There are a whole lot of interesting comments, suggestions and mostly opinion in this ramble.

To say that there is one Sioux football/basketball fan for every 20 hockey fans is wrong. Is hockey the biggest sport and most popular sport? At this point in time, yes. But not long ago, that wasn’t the case. The majority of Sioux fans are fans of all sports, not just hockey. Your point of there being just hockey fans is true, but the same can be said of NDSU and its football fans and how many of those don’t care about basketball.

No doubt that football and basketball are down right now and with that goes interest. But, I’m not sure where you get the idea that all the eggs for UND are in the hockey basket either. UND’s budget for both FB and BB programs are in the same neighborhood as NDSU, though you could easily argue at this point in time, the return they are getting isn’t that great, but that will change.

And you are absolutely incorrect on the zero-sum game idea. People support a winner. If your theory was right, explain to me where all the basketball fans that cheered for NDSU during its tournament run went? If it was a true zero-sum, they would be UND fans, because attendance is down at the BSA. Since attendance is down at both schools, it can’t be zero-sum. My guess is you don’t understand what a zero-sum game is.

I’m curious about your comment about NDSU dominating FB and BB and it being cosmic balance? Are you talking in general or just against UND?

As for your last comment about being 3-8 in football and terrible in basketball? I assume you were trying to slam UND, but you pick a record that NDSU had in 2010 when NDSU’s basketball team wasn’t all that great either but I'm sure you still supported them?

[344Johnson]

There are a whole lot of interesting comments, suggestions and mostly opinion in this ramble.

To say that there is one Sioux football/basketball fan for every 20 hockey fans is wrong. Is hockey the biggest sport and most popular sport? At this point in time, yes. But not long ago, that wasn’t the case. The majority of Sioux fans are fans of all sports, not just hockey. Your point of there being just hockey fans is true, but the same can be said of NDSU and its football fans and how many of those don’t care about basketball.

No doubt that football and basketball are down right now and with that goes interest. But, I’m not sure where you get the idea that all the eggs for UND are in the hockey basket either. UND’s budget for both FB and BB programs are in the same neighborhood as NDSU, though you could easily argue at this point in time, the return they are getting isn’t that great, but that will change.

And you are absolutely incorrect on the zero-sum game idea. People support a winner. If your theory was right, explain to me where all the basketball fans that cheered for NDSU during its tournament run went? If it was a true zero-sum, they would be UND fans, because attendance is down at the BSA. Since attendance is down at both schools, it can’t be zero-sum. My guess is you don’t understand what a zero-sum game is.

I’m curious about your comment about NDSU dominating FB and BB and it being cosmic balance? Are you talking in general or just against UND?

As for your last comment about being 3-8 in football and terrible in basketball? I assume you were trying to slam UND, but you pick a record that NDSU had in 2010 when NDSU’s basketball team wasn’t all that great either but I'm sure you still supported them?

The budget UND spends is similar, but has UND ever been a football power? No, they've had good teams and good stretches, but one championship vs. 8 championships? Not a comparison.
Basketball, UND's team, is terrible. Traditionally, I have zero idea about them but watching them play the Herd in the dome, they sucked. Losing the second half by....28 or something? To an average Bison team? Embarassing.

Maybe we were just spoiled, throughout our transition to D1 we had solid basketball and maybe the best FCS team in the country. I don't know. And just like how NDSU has mostly football fans, UND has mostly hockey, don't try and kid yourself. Obviously they have about 6-7 thousand football fans. Don't say, oh we had a bad year. When the herd had a bad season, they still were getting 14-15 thousand people. UND fans are not as supportive of lesser sports as the Bison are. Its just how it goes. Not saying that makes them bad or wrong. Just different.