A new and better FBS thread

[Bisonator98]

The whole thing needs to be tore down and rebuilt. These super conferences are ruining the sport. Get it back to 9 teams per conference and a legit playoff format. Nobody wants a Maryland traveling across the country to play USC or Oregon traveling to play Rutgers FFS! Bring back the rivalries! Make college FB great again!

[ByeSonBusiness]

The whole thing needs to be tore down and rebuilt. These super conferences are ruining the sport. Get it back to 9 teams per conference and a legit playoff format. Nobody wants a Maryland traveling across the country to play USC or Oregon traveling to play Rutgers FFS! Bring back the rivalries! Make college FB great again!

When was 9 teams the model? Big Ten had 10 teams until the 90's. SEC had ten teams until 1990. Big 8 became Big 12 in the 90's. Etc.

I'm fine with 8-12 team conferences. These giant ones are stupid for all the reasons people have expressed over the past few years. I'd love if they collapsed, but I don't think the old bands are every getting back together.

[BigHorns]

What is happening with P2 is consolidation of the Power schools (Texas, Oregon, UCLA, etc) into two large conferences that can eventually separate and operate like a mini NFL. (AFC vs NFC). Its become pretty clear this is the intent. They want to dominate the market and take 95% of the media money. They don't wish to share the wealth or play nice with others.

Whoever is left out will be scrapping over peanuts, and that is why there has been a mad dash for P4, and now P2 invites.

[BigLakeBison]

What is happening with P2 is consolidation of the Power schools (Texas, Oregon, UCLA, etc) into two large conferences that can eventually separate and operate like a mini NFL. (AFC vs NFC). Its become pretty clear this is the intent. They want to dominate the market and take 95% of the media money. They don't wish to share the wealth or play nice with others.

Whoever is left out will be scrapping over peanuts, and that is why there has been a mad dash for P4, and now P2 invites.

I know you like to project yourself as some kind of plugged in type that knows what's going on in all of this but I don't think the P2 really even knows. Feels like they're winging it a bit. I'd agree that the P2 is trying to monopolize the money and thus the power but I think even they know that if they separate completely from the rest of college football and become semi-pro leagues their likely to see a decline in the sport. They need the casual eyeballs to make it go. If it becomes NFL lite those casual eyeballs likely just go more to the NFL. College football and basketball always had a separate niche compared to the NFL and NBA because there was the school/state loyalty aspect, the pageantry and the tradition. NFL lite loses some of that niche. I think they're testing out how far the casual fans will let them go before the drop off comes. In my opinion that is a bit short of separating completely into an NFL lite. They need the fans of the smaller schools to buy into the idea that their schools are in the same class and have a chance to knock off the big dogs, even if it is a slim chance. Without that, it feels like the wider casual fan appeal starts to fall apart.

[BigHorns]

Some of this is incredibly obvious on the surface, other parts become obvious if you talk to people at power programs and read various articles on how this is developing in places like the Athletic.

The P2/4 have more than telegraphed their intentions. There was an actual NCAA proposal already to split P4 and G5/6 into two subdivisions.

They didn’t have the voting power at that time, and were still busy sorting out the House settlement. Sure looks like all of NCAA is about to hand them the keys to D1 governance.

If the August 5 D1 vote goes as expected, there will be no stopping the train. On the football side with CFP it’s all about whether P2 want to allocate fixed number of bids between themselves and B12/ACC or if they want at larges to fight over. Everyone else outside P4 is an afterthought.

[IndyBison]

What is happening with P2 is consolidation of the Power schools (Texas, Oregon, UCLA, etc) into two large conferences that can eventually separate and operate like a mini NFL. (AFC vs NFC). Its become pretty clear this is the intent. They want to dominate the market and take 95% of the media money. They don't wish to share the wealth or play nice with others.

Whoever is left out will be scrapping over peanuts, and that is why there has been a mad dash for P4, and now P2 invites.

85% of NCAA revenue comes from one event... men's basketball tournament. Football is not a revenue generator for NCAA so splitting off for football changes nothing on the financial side. They may lobby for different rules regarding transfers, recruiting, NIL, etc. I would be curious to see what happens to the tournament if they make it P2 only or even the basketball P6. Any financial difference works impact FCS championship since they are somewhat underwritten by the basketball money.

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[BigHorns]

85% of NCAA revenue comes from one event... men's basketball tournament. Football is not a revenue generator for NCAA so splitting off for football changes nothing on the financial side. They may lobby for different rules regarding transfers, recruiting, NIL, etc. I would be curious to see what happens to the tournament if they make it P2 only or even the basketball P6. Any financial difference works impact FCS championship since they are somewhat underwritten by the basketball money.

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Here's the problem ... P4 + Big East (a basketball "P5") will now control governance and how revenue is allocated for basketball as well from what I am reading.

Seems like the deal with the devil got passed, P4 now control D1 governance with 65% of voting power.
Look for the new Basketball P5 to become a lot more stingy with that revenue, with the option to put up new barriers or split also.

That was seen as a "compromise" with P4 who wanted 100% control, sigh.

https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1952807875006611573

https://x.com/bportnoy15/status/1945...d-1013490.html

[BigHorns]

Interesting blog article by Dennis Dodd on Missouri St

https://dennisdodd2019.substack.com/...c-4358a6006d98

[KC_Hats]

Interesting blog article by Dennis Dodd on Missouri St

https://dennisdodd2019.substack.com/...c-4358a6006d98

Missouri State is never going to be good in football. The students and the town don't care about them. They should have dropped football. That would be their biggest success in football. Not losing anymore because they don't have a program.

[BigHorns]

Missouri State is never going to be good in football. The students and the town don't care about them. They should have dropped football. That would be their biggest success in football. Not losing anymore because they don't have a program.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree, they lost to a not great Ark St 70-7 lol.

The article was still interesting in terms of how the process works, and what motivates it. Reinforced that these moves are largely about location and money rather than football performance (merit). And as the article said CUSA just needed "warm bodies" in their geographic region.

Lots of little nuggets in the article like McCaw saying "We kind of view them as a middle as an upper middle program in CUSA." What does that say about CUSA overall?

Article also mentioned how their AD said "I think the dollars and cents are just going to work themselves out.”, when in reality only 20 FBS schools are profitable, and it sure looks like they will lose even more money in the short term.

The whole thing for Missouri St feels like part moon shot, and part a fool's mission. They are among the schools that could easily be squeezed out as costs escalate. Or alternatively, perhaps they spend as little as possible, and simply remain cellar dwellers for life.