A new and better FBS thread

[BigHorns]

If the original relegation plan presented by the Boise Deputy AD were to go into effect, it would mean 3 conferences of 8 schools each. It would be 24 school divided into three separate levels. You would have 8 in the Pac, tier 2 would have 8 in the MW and tier 3 would be 8 in ...CUSA. That would be the conference you would likely start out in.

Define Irony..

There is zero chance of that.

1) No current MWC or PAC school is going to support the idea they could be demoted to cusa level and earn even less.
2) No Northwest team is going to want to travel to the far Southeast to play conference games.
3) You are misrepresenting what was in the original proposal. If it went to 24 teams, they would invite REGIONAL teams from the Central, Mountain and Pacific timezones. That could include inviting some "regional teams from the AAC, Conference USA or WAC" according to the proposal. They were talking about a couple schools like UTEP and NMSU along with Tulane, UNT, UTSA from AAC potentially, not FIU and KSU, or the entire conference.

[MWC]

There is zero chance of that.

1) No current MWC or PAC school is going to support the idea they could be demoted to cusa level and earn even less.
2) No Northwest team is going to want to travel to the far Southeast to play conference games.
3) You are misrepresenting what was in the original proposal. If it went to 24 teams, they would invite REGIONAL teams from the Central, Mountain and Pacific timezones. That could include inviting some "regional teams from the AAC, Conference USA or WAC" according to the proposal. They were talking about a couple schools like UTEP and NMSU along with Tulane, UNT, UTSA from AAC potentially, not FIU and KSU, or the entire conference.

As I said before..Nobody is voting their own school to make less money. There is no chance AAC schools would pay an exit fee and maybe find themselves in a lower paying tier. To get to 24 schools it would by definition "not" be regional. NDSU and SDSU are not even close to regional with Pacific time zone schools. Whatever the mix for the 3rd tier was going to be it would be far flung. They could have called the lowest tier conference anything..I just picked CUSA because there would likely be a number of CUSA schools willing to sign on to what would be a horrible situation for a tiny chance to move up.

Interesting idea but no chance of happening. It was not an idea cooked up by the Pac 2. Just Boise being Boise.

At this point I am not even sure OSU/WSU will be involved with the MW at all. I believe they want to buy their way into the Big 12 because there is no upside to G5 status.

Still lots of balls in the air.

[reformedUNDfan]

As I said before..Nobody is voting their own school to make less money. There is no chance AAC schools would pay an exit fee and maybe find themselves in a lower paying tier. To get to 24 schools it would by definition "not" be regional. NDSU and SDSU are not even close to regional with Pacific time zone schools. Whatever the mix for the 3rd tier was going to be it would be far flung. They could have called the lowest tier conference anything..I just picked CUSA because there would likely be a number of CUSA schools willing to sign on to what would be a horrible situation for a tiny chance to move up.

Interesting idea but no chance of happening. It was not an idea cooked up by the Pac 2. Just Boise being Boise.

At this point I am not even sure OSU/WSU will be involved with the MW at all. I believe they want to buy their way into the Big 12 because there is no upside to G5 status.

Still lots of balls in the air.

Fargo is as far from Pullman as San Diego or Colorado Springs is from Pullman. It's closer than UNM NMSU or UTEP. In any case it's a charter jet ride.

[BigHorns]

I just picked CUSA because there would likely be a number of CUSA schools willing to signon to what would be a horrible situation for a tiny chance to move up.

Interesting idea but no chance of happening. It was not an idea cooked up by the Pac 2. Just Boise being Boise.

At this point I am not even sure OSU/WSU will be involved with the MW at all. I believe they want to buy their way into the Big 12 because there is no upside to G5 status.

Exactly, you pulled that out of your ass, and passed it off as though it was part of the Boise proposal. It wasn't. Tons of other schools would be first in line.

Big 12 is a hard no on OSU/WSU, so they only have 3 options:

1) Work with MWC in some type of merger process.
2) Poach from MWC and others to rebuild PAC.
3) Go indy.

They would prefer to poach, if they can. Indy would be a last resort. They aren't remotely going to consider other G5 conferences, AAC is out, and there is zero chance they consider MAC or CUSA.

I also believe OSU/WSU would prefer Promotion/Relegation over a full merger. It allows them to be part of the "upper tier" of MWC schools. If that doesn't happen, its only a matter of time until the upper tier of MWC breaks away on their own. Boise and SDSU already have one foot out.

[heffray]

I leave you alone for one evening—ONE. EVENING. —and you guys fill the entire MWC’s Bisonville account with red chiclets… how are we supposed to go FBS now?!

[runtheoption]

Still lots of balls in the air.

Just barely...the Bisonville demographic is pretty old.

[runtheoption]

I think Trump should be the MWC commissioner.

"I would build a great conference, and nobody builds conferences better than me. I will build a great great conference on our western border and I'll have the PAC-2 pay for that conference."

[MWC]

Exactly, you pulled that out of your ass, and passed it off as though it was part of the Boise proposal. It wasn't. Tons of other schools would be first in line.

Big 12 is a hard no on OSU/WSU, so they only have 3 options:

1) Work with MWC in some type of merger process.
2) Poach from MWC and others to rebuild PAC.
3) Go indy.

They would prefer to poach, if they can. Indy would be a last resort. They aren't remotely going to consider other G5 conferences, AAC is out, and there is zero chance they consider MAC or CUSA.

I also believe OSU/WSU would prefer Promotion/Relegation over a full merger. It allows them to be part of the "upper tier" of MWC schools. If that doesn't happen, its only a matter of time until the upper tier of MWC breaks away on their own. Boise and SDSU already have one foot out.

You are banging on about something that won't happen. The Boise plan is DOA. The Pac 2 poaching teams is a nice dream but neither OSU or Wazzu is a draw. And the exit fees are steep.

The Pac2 is going to sue to get all the remaining assets. I don't know if they will win or not but if they do; They get the entire Pac 12 Network. They get all the basketball credits. They get the Pac 12 stake in the Rose Bowl. Those are sellable assets and they would hope to use that to get into the Big 12. They could live off the funds and offer to play for no tv money in the Big 12 ala the SMU plan. Will it work? Who knows. The Pac 2 will not feel good about any of this even if they get to be in the top tier of a mid major conference.

It takes 9 votes to dissolve the MW. If schools want to breakaway to form what would still be a G5 playing under a small tv deal, they can. If the conference is dissolved, groovy. If not the exit fee is 17 million per school with 2 years notice. It is 34 million with 1 year's notice. SDSU and Boise don't want to form a new conference. Like all G5's they would like an invitation to a Power conference. Those slots are dwindling. A best of the rest is still G5 and not particularly valuable.

As I said before, with or without the Pac 2, the MW is heading towards a performance based tv deal. Have a good year, you get a bigger slice. Fall off, you get a smaller cut. There's a quasi relegation plan right there.

As for NDSU. If the MW/Pac/whatever wants you they will invite you. But, Fargo is not regional to the schools out west at all. You are fairly close to some MW mountain schools. If, as you say, the idea is to be regional that hurts your chances. The original idea was for 3 separate conferences and 3 tiers. By it's very existence it does away with 'regional' because it would be far flung. Say Hawaii was in tier two and got relegated to tier 3. Does that make any sense on any level? You could have the primo tier 3 matchup in the south east somewhere against some school from that area. No one is watching that game. Unworkable..

[The_Sicatoka]

It takes 9 votes to dissolve the MW.

Pretty sure USU, UWyo, and UNM are hard no. Where would they ever get a better gig?

The rest are "options" based; however, most won't have better options.
SDSU might have great options in coming years.
But where else would Nevada go.

[MWC]

Pretty sure USU, UWyo, and UNM are hard no. Where would they ever get a better gig?

The rest are "options" based; however, most won't have better options.
SDSU might have great options in coming years.
But where else would Nevada go.

I would guess they would form a western flank of CUSA, though probably just for football.

It took at least 9 votes to set the very expensive exit fees. I have heard it was unanimous though I am unconvinced it was. Still, it passed.

The AAC also passed significant exit fees.

If there is some merger with the Pac 2 it will likely involve all the MW schools. If the newly merged unit is under the Pac 14 banner, then the MW would have to be dissolved so that their assets would move too. That would end the MW exit fees too. If the northwest twins join the MW outright the Pac2 dissolves.

That brings us to a couple of sticking points. Do the MW schools take on some of the Pac12 debt? Do the Pac2 schools get a share of MW assets and vice versa. Because the PAC 2 would like to be flexible in case they get an invitation to a better conference along with SDSU, CSU etc..they would probably prefer much smaller exit fees. The schools who aren't shooting for the moon would want larger ones.

The Pac 2 is in a pickle.