A new and better FBS thread

[BigHorns]

I'm not saying you're wrong. I just don't see how they are going to pull that off without a revolt. I understand that money is the driving force in this but if they don't acknowledge that a good portion of that money is coming from fans of the Universities outside of the top 40 or so programs than they are completely missing the mark on what I think makes college football so popular. They've totally leaned into the other way of thinking on the basketball side of things and realize that giving all conferences a path to the tournament makes the entire thing more popular, even if the majority of mid-major or below teams have really no chance of getting past the first round. The interest is greater and generates more money because of this. They could have a 16 team tournament of all at large picks that would likely result in a similar outcome, but the casual interest outside of the 16 teams would be reduced greatly. I just don't see how essentially the same decision makers (Presidents and ADs) can go entirely in the opposite direction with Football and be so arrogant as to think that by excluding that number of fans that they are going to continue to generate the overall interest. Makes no sense to me, but what do I know.

Don't know if this will succeed long term or not. Will all the walmart fans of the top 30-50 schools keep them on prime time television with all the money being funneled their way?

If you listen to interviews with power conference presidents, ADs, and coaches - almost all of them say this is where things are going, and they are going all out to make the cut and not be left out. FSU is calling it an existential crisis for them to remain in the ACC with "only" $35-40m payouts. They are busy raising $200-300m so they can leave ACC and join SEC or B1G. Every school seems to see SEC/B1G as the final 2 life boats out.

[NDSU92]

I'm not saying you're wrong. I just don't see how they are going to pull that off without a revolt. I understand that money is the driving force in this but if they don't acknowledge that a good portion of that money is coming from fans of the Universities outside of the top 40 or so programs than they are completely missing the mark on what I think makes college football so popular. They've totally leaned into the other way of thinking on the basketball side of things and realize that giving all conferences a path to the tournament makes the entire thing more popular, even if the majority of mid-major or below teams have really no chance of getting past the first round. The interest is greater and generates more money because of this. They could have a 16 team tournament of all at large picks that would likely result in a similar outcome, but the casual interest outside of the 16 teams would be reduced greatly. I just don't see how essentially the same decision makers (Presidents and ADs) can go entirely in the opposite direction with Football and be so arrogant as to think that by excluding that number of fans that they are going to continue to generate the overall interest. Makes no sense to me, but what do I know.

Basketball has infinitely more parity and a history of all the schools being involved. Football has had like 3 unique champions in the last decade and a history of a ridiculously exclusive bowl system.

Like I said, with as broken as they’ve made the landscape people are already begging for someone to fix it. Look no further than the schools who have the most money and power to make sure they’re the ones saving the day with a system that gives them the most money.

For the record I agree with you, I think it has a good chance of failing. Large part of the reason there’s so much money in TV is because Mr. Fresno State fan wants to watch the championship game of “his division”. I’m just telling you what they’re trying to accomplish with all of this funny business.

[BigLakeBison]

Basketball has infinitely more parity and a history of all the schools being involved. Football has had like 3 unique champions in the last decade and a history of a ridiculously exclusive bowl system.

Like I said, with as broken as they’ve made the landscape people are already begging for someone to fix it. Look no further than the schools who have the most money and power to make sure they’re the ones saving the day with a system that gives them the most money.

For the record I agree with you, I think it has a good chance of failing. Large part of the reason there’s so much money in TV is because Mr. Fresno State fan wants to watch the championship game of “his division”. I’m just telling you what they’re trying to accomplish with all of this funny business.

Parity in basketball comes from the fact that there is more games and more chances for non-conference games. If football were to be similar in its approach from a scheduling standpoint, I think there might be similar types of outcomes. It's definitely harder in football due to the number of players needed to field a team but we as NDSU fans know better than anyone that the difference between team 15 and 60 in the country isn't that big. There are a handful of teams and a handful of programs that are head and shoulders above the rest but beyond that there is more parity than the P5 want to admit so they game the system to keep it that way. It's harder for them to do that in basketball because that perception has been broken down by the NCAA tournament and the number of upsets that happen regularly. They are doing everything they can to maintain that perception in football.

[BigLakeBison]

Don't know if this will succeed long term or not. Will all the walmart fans of the top 30-50 schools keep them on prime time television with all the money being funneled their way?

If you listen to interviews with power conference presidents, ADs, and coaches - almost all of them say this is where things are going, and they are going all out to make the cut and not be left out. FSU is calling it an existential crisis for them to remain in the ACC with "only" $35-40m payouts. They are busy raising $200-300m so they can leave ACC and join SEC or B1G. Every school seems to see SEC/B1G as the final 2 life boats out.

They say it's where things are going because it's where their big money boosters want it to go and that's what lines their pocketbooks. It's not in any way visionary or rational or sustainable. I really hope that the people that are driving this receive some significant backlash if it plays out the way you describe.

[NDSU92]

Parity in basketball comes from the fact that there is more games and more chances for non-conference games. If football were to be similar in its approach from a scheduling standpoint, I think there might be similar types of outcomes. It's definitely harder in football due to the number of players needed to field a team but we as NDSU fans know better than anyone that the difference between team 15 and 60 in the country isn't that big. There are a handful of teams and a handful of programs that are head and shoulders above the rest but beyond that there is more parity than the P5 want to admit so they game the system to keep it that way. It's harder for them to do that in basketball because that perception has been broken down by the NCAA tournament and the number of upsets that happen regularly. They are doing everything they can to maintain that perception in football.

SDSU and FAU making the final four last year has nothing to do with # of non conference games and everything to do with the fact that all you need is 10 players, a coach and a gym to be a D1 basketball team. Football teams have more assistant coaches than basketball teams have players.

There are schools that have played for championship games in recent years that belong to schools that can’t field a football team.

Bringing it back to the topic at hand, for whatever reason the power schools are purposely wrecking college athletics so they can rebuild it to their liking.

[BigLakeBison]

SDSU and FAU making the final four last year has nothing to do with # of non conference games and everything to do with the fact that all you need is 10 players, a coach and a stadium to be a D1 basketball team. Football teams have more assistant coaches than basketball teams have players.

There are schools that have played for championship games in recent years that belong to schools that can’t field a football team.

I admitted that it is much easier to achieve parity in basketball than football in my previous email. However, the idea that the P5 and the G5 are miles apart in terms of on field performance is completely ridiculous. The Gophers have gotten back to respectability in recent years but they would likely struggle to win the MWC or AAC. However, in football there is this belief that the B1G is so far superior to the MWC or the AAC that the 3rd place team in the B1G West would absolutely dominate those conferences. It's just not true. Fans don't believe this bullshit with basketball because the non-conference and the NCAA tournament dispels that myth. In football the P5 power keeps those perceptions in place by limiting the opportunities the G5 have to ever dispel that myth. There are almost never G5 home vs. P5 away games. There are very few neutral site G5 vs. P5 games, even in the bowl season. The non-conference schedule is 4 games and that leaves very few interconference matchup opportunities between the P5 and G5, especially if the G5 wants to protect their bowl eligibility. And even with this control, the G5 routinely competes with and beats the P5. Maybe not the "elite" in the P5 but as I said in my previous email the difference between team #15 in the country and team #60 is not that large and there are numerous G5 teams that fill that 15-60 range. Yet the P5 would have you believe they are utterly incapable of putting up a fight and that we should limit the G5 access because they are inferior. Alabama and Georgia are different but they aren't the benchmark for who or why a team should be allowed in a playoff. Often times Alabama and Georgia are curb stomping members of their own conference. The entire thing is a masterful con job that plays into all of this realignment bullshit.

[NDSU92]

Sagarin basketball rankings: there are 9 teams outside the P5 in the top 25
Sagarin football rankings: #25 Tulane is the only non P5 team (besides ND) in the top 25

Remember that the G5 ain’t all that either in football. Most years in football we’d be the top or close to the top team. While being a mediocre P5 school.

[BigLakeBison]

Sagarin basketball rankings: there are 9 teams outside the P5 in the top 25
Sagarin football rankings: #25 Tulane is the only non P5 team (besides ND) in the top 25

Remember that the G5 ain’t all that either in football. Most years in football we’d be the top or close to the top team. While being a mediocre P5 school.

Is that because the P5 is that much better or because they have little to no opportunities to change that. NDSU not getting FBS-P5 games is not unique to us. The middling P5 teams aren’t seeking out games with the top of the G5. The myth is protected at all costs. Realignment is further protecting it and a full split makes it forever truth. The P5 has advantages and they are statistically better as a group but if given opportunities similar to basketball I think the results would be less skewed in their favor. It’s not outlandish to think that a 20 team football tournament with 10 conference champions and 10 at large selections would have upsets occur in the same proportion as they do within the basketball tournament. Reality is that there can only be 11 players on the field for each team at a time and even if the P5 team has more depth of talent on their roster top to bottom their top 11 can and will outperform the other teams top 11 in individual games.

[scottietohottie]

Are we fbs yet bros?

[TAILG8R]

Are we fbs yet bros?

Almost, Lakes just has a few more texts to send.