A new and better FBS thread

[blackdiamond2]

Interesting - he said Montana had a MWC offer in 2006 and turned it down because Montana State did not want to go.

[abc123]

How I hope the days of G5s picking up schools just because they are in large cities are over. If not college football is doomed at that level.

No one gives a shit about the 5th or 6th school from a larger metro.

TV eyeballs don't move the needle a ton at the G5 level but for recruiting base/area purposes, they definitely do. For example, why do you think conferences continue to push so hard to find options in Texas?

[IndyBison]

TV eyeballs don't move the needle a ton at the G5 level but for recruiting base/area purposes, they definitely do. For example, why do you think conferences continue to push so hard to find options in Texas?

I agree with this. It's not an absolute as the factors for each conference/school will be different. Location is often fairly high. The biggest obstacle NDSU has is location. But they have many other positive factors that can overcome that. The right combination of factors just haven't happened yet.

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[taper]

Interesting - he said Montana had a MWC offer in 2006 and turned it down because Montana State did not want to go.

Well known at the time, and probably the right decision. WAC back then was an even bigger basketcase than today's CUSA. They lost 8 members in 1999, then another 5 by 2005. Of the 3 suckers they did get to join in 2005, Idaho dropped back to FCS and NMSU went indy. Utah State is good program now, but at the time they had decades of apathy. WAC dropped football entirely a few years later.

[The_Sicatoka]

As Joe Chapman bemused, athletics is the front porch of the school.
In a world of a declining pool of potential students (2026 enrollment cliff) getting in front of that pool is critical.

Where are the potential students?


This is why CA and TX schools are of interest to conferences, and why it's unlikely to get the MTs out of the BSC as long as Sac, Davis, and Poly are there.

[MWC]

Interesting - he said Montana had a MWC offer in 2006 and turned it down because Montana State did not want to go.

That was an offer from the WAC

[MWC]

Well known at the time, and probably the right decision. WAC back then was an even bigger basketcase than today's CUSA. They lost 8 members in 1999, then another 5 by 2005. Of the 3 suckers they did get to join in 2005, Idaho dropped back to FCS and NMSU went indy. Utah State is good program now, but at the time they had decades of apathy. WAC dropped football entirely a few years later.

The WAC in 2006 had Boise State, Fresno State, Nevada, Hawaii, SJSU, Utah State, New Mexico State, La Tech, and Idaho. That was not a basket case at all. When the MW was formed in 99, the WAC still had TCU, Rice, UTEP, SMU and Tulsa. Those schools went to CUSA in 2004. It remained a stable and productive conference until 2010/11 when BSU, NV, FSU and Hawaii were added to the MW. In 2012 SJSU and Utah State moved to the MW. It was then that the WAC stopped sponsoring FBS football.

Had Montana and MSU joined in 2006 it was not a certainty that they would eventually have moved to the MW but nobody knew what the future MW lineup might be at that point.

There are only two western conferences in FBS so there is not a lot of slots available. Some schools get left behind.

[TAILG8R]

[taper]

The WAC in 2006 had Boise State, Fresno State, Nevada, Hawaii, SJSU, Utah State, New Mexico State, La Tech, and Idaho. That was not a basket case at all. When the MW was formed in 99, the WAC still had TCU, Rice, UTEP, SMU and Tulsa. Those schools went to CUSA in 2004. It remained a stable and productive conference until 2010/11 when BSU, NV, FSU and Hawaii were added to the MW. In 2012 SJSU and Utah State moved to the MW. It was then that the WAC stopped sponsoring FBS football.

Had Montana and MSU joined in 2006 it was not a certainty that they would eventually have moved to the MW but nobody knew what the future MW lineup might be at that point.

There are only two western conferences in FBS so there is not a lot of slots available. Some schools get left behind.

WAC lost 26 members and dropped football in the space of 15 years. On what planet is that a stable conference?

[MWC]

There were changes in the lineup over the years but the WAC was a football conference for 50 years. None of the schools came directly from 1aa or FCS until the last year of its football sponsorship.. So far, 5 former wacsters have advance to the P5 level. Arizona, ASU, TCU, Utah BYU. San Diego State should be joining them soon. Every school in the MW was in the WAC at one time. The last version of the football WAC had 2 interesting addition. UTSA and and Texas State fresh out of FCS. UTSA has worked its way up to the AAC and Texas State is on a very short list of candidates for for the MW. It took these schools 10 years to get in this position. However, it proves the WAC was a great stepping stone for the schools that played there. If you were to receive an invitation to the MW you would be getting a really big head start in the FBS world that others haven't really received.