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[NDSU92]

Victim mentality! NDSU hasn’t been forced to be FCS either.

Shh just be patient you’re burning out the troll with your inspiration

[BigLakeBison]

Where was the fbs opportunity that isn't program suicide?

There's only 2 conferences that present a reasonable opportunity. With travel and finances considered, maybe only 1

Yep. It’s everyone else’s fault that NDSU is in the current situation.

[BigHorns]

Yep. It’s everyone else’s fault that NDSU is in the current situation.

Still haven't seen what magical wand you would have waved that would change anything.
Can't be FBS without an invite unless you want to suck like UMass/UConn.

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison...-comes-calling

[Professorbum]

Still haven't seen what magical wand you would have waved that would change anything.
Can't be FBS without an invite unless you want to suck like UMass/UConn.

https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison...-comes-calling

As an independent, do you really think we would be like UMass and UConn (who have never had a football following and have never been successful)? I tend to think we would be more interesting than those. I'm not saying we're Notre Dame, but I believe we would be a BYU-caliber independent team. Or an Army-caliber team. Both of those teams could win on any given day against just about anybody else, and have had many winning seasons as independents.

[BigHorns]

As an independent, do you really think we would be like UMass and UConn (who have never had a football following and have never been successful)? I tend to think we would be more interesting than those. I'm not saying we're Notre Dame, but I believe we would be a BYU-caliber independent team. Or an Army-caliber team. Both of those teams could win on any given day against just about anybody else, and have had many winning seasons as independents.

There's multiple challenges with the Indy route:

- No automatic path to a CFP bid, and highly likely to be passed over. The P5 conferences control the committee and will get the at large bids.
There's a reason everyone but Notre Dame is trying to get a conference invite - and even they are aligned with the ACC.
Without a shot at the CFP, incredibly hard to recruit and compete.

- Media money would be whatever we can negotiate on our own. We aren't Notre Dame or BYU yet to demand that level of money.

- Scheduling is INCREDIBLY tough. P5's aren't coming to town unless we throw millions at them. A lot of G5's may not be eager to play us either.
Liberty spent a boatload of money to put a schedule together, it's part of the reason they wanted a conference.

There's a reason most Indy teams struggle or fail ... the money needed is crazy. Even UMass and UConn don't spend nearly enough to succeed.

[taper]

As an independent, do you really think we would be like UMass and UConn (who have never had a football following and have never been successful)? I tend to think we would be more interesting than those. I'm not saying we're Notre Dame, but I believe we would be a BYU-caliber independent team. Or an Army-caliber team. Both of those teams could win on any given day against just about anybody else, and have had many winning seasons as independents.

UMass went to the FCS title game 3 times with 1 championship. When we played Towson there I saw almost if not more UMass than Towson gear worn by their fans. I don't think you can say they don't have a following. Definitely a top tier FCS program but failed at FBS for a variety of reasons.
UConn is a basketball school with a FB program. Not really comparable to NDSU. Even then, they apparently spend around $16M annually on FB, which we aren't even remotely close to matching. Funding isn't their problem.
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSt...s-42m-68331095
NDSU independence is death. BYU and Army are so different than us there's no comparison.

[Professorbum]

UMass went to the FCS title game 3 times with 1 championship. When we played Towson there I saw almost if not more UMass than Towson gear worn by their fans. I don't think you can say they don't have a following. Definitely a top tier FCS program but failed at FBS for a variety of reasons.
UConn is a basketball school with a FB program. Not really comparable to NDSU. Even then, they apparently spend around $16M annually on FB, which we aren't even remotely close to matching. Funding isn't their problem.
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSt...s-42m-68331095
NDSU independence is death. BYU and Army are so different than us there's no comparison.

When you say independence is death, I assume you mean death in just football. Because the other sports are safely housed in the Summit bus league. So there's no risk to any sport except football--which, I would argue, is at great risk staying in FCS.

Btw, UMass won the I-AA title in 1998. But their overall record in football is about .480. NDSU's all time record is north of .665. So, one of those is a winning program and one of those is a losing program.

Also, my initial post was to counter the claim that NDSU would suck like UConn and UMass if we went independent. There may be arguments against independence in football, but I don't think one of them is that suddenly we would have no winning culture, our facilities and fanbase would count for nothing, and we would magically become a shitty football program.

[56BISON73]

There's multiple challenges with the Indy route:

- No automatic path to a CFP bid, and highly likely to be passed over. The P5 conferences control the committee and will get the at large bids.
There's a reason everyone but Notre Dame is trying to get a conference invite - and even they are aligned with the ACC.
Without a shot at the CFP, incredibly hard to recruit and compete.

- Media money would be whatever we can negotiate on our own. We aren't Notre Dame or BYU yet to demand that level of money.

- Scheduling is INCREDIBLY tough. P5's aren't coming to town unless we throw millions at them. A lot of G5's may not be eager to play us either.
Liberty spent a boatload of money to put a schedule together, it's part of the reason they wanted a conference.

There's a reason most Indy teams struggle or fail ... the money needed is crazy. Even UMass and UConn don't spend nearly enough to succeed.

Not to mention you need a war chest of money because you will need to pay up to get people to come to Fargo AND you will be on the road a lot.

[BigHorns]

https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2022...llege-football

A good read on UMass situation.

Media deals, inclusion in Bowls, CFP, and scheduling are all major issues for Independent status.
There is no guarantee we could gain access to the CFP under any conditions - its a contractual agreement between the conferences.
All the FBS conferences + Notre Dame get representation, nobody else does.

UMass has struggled to even get a bowl association with any of the 40+ bowls.

[El_Chapo]

war chest? as an Indy you can play 4-5 Power 5 teams , hell even have a neutral site game at a big stadium.
play 1 game as us bank and make a ton of money

football only independent
MVC for the rest.... F the summit if we go FBS