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[EC8CH]

There are media reports claiming UU/CU/Az/ASU have meetings on Tuesday (7/5/22) with the Big XII. In light of UW/UO and Cali/Stan making B1G overtures they'd be foolish not to explore it.

Wassu and OrSU have real problems if that happens. They'll end up with the MWC.

NDSU needs to bug that meeting.

[HerdBot]

There are media reports claiming UU/CU/Az/ASU have meetings on Tuesday (7/5/22) with the Big XII. In light of UW/UO and Cali/Stan making B1G overtures they'd be foolish not to explore it.

Wassu and OrSU have real problems if that happens. They'll end up with the MWC.

NDSU needs to bug that meeting.

We want to see the PAC 12 survive by raiding other conferences like the MWC. If the PAC 12 dissolves, it's bad for us and huge for the Mountain West

We want to see Boise, Utah State, Nevada and Colorado State go to the PAC 12

The PAC 12 is still more appealing than the Big 12 with Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State

That's how we will get an invite

[BigHorns]

We want to see the PAC 12 survive by raiding other conferences like the MWC. If the PAC 12 dissolves, it's bad for us and huge for the Mountain West

We want to see Boise, Utah State, Nevada and Colorado State go to the PAC 12

The PAC 12 is still more appealing than the Big 12 with Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State

That's how we will get an invite

If those schools stay in PAC.
Stanford and ND rumored to B1G, followed by Washington and Oregon at a later date.
B1G supposedly said "no" to Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado - thus the reason they are talking to B12.

If all that develops, the PAC loses up to 9 schools. Do the remainders try to rebuild or merge with someone else?

[WhoRepsTheLurker]

If those schools stay in PAC.
Stanford and ND rumored to B1G, followed by Washington and Oregon at a later date.
B1G supposedly said "no" to Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado - thus the reason they are talking to B12.

If all that develops, the PAC loses up to 9 schools. Do the remainders try to rebuild or merge with someone else?

Right now, and for the foreseeable future, its 2(B1G/SEC), 3(B12/ACC/PAC), 5 (G5) as the 1, 2, 3 levels of CFB, with CUSA on the bubble. If the B12 gets the motherload from the PAC and goes to 16, the PAC will just take from the MWC and AAC to become a better version of both, and it will still be at the 2nd level, not the 3rd (FCS is 4th).

If that doesn’t happen and they stay put in the PAC, do they stay at 10 or grow? That’s the big question.

With the B1G setting an example, and the B12 showing desire, it’s hard not to see a scramble to shore up the 2nd level (B12/ACC/PAC) into ‘super conferences’ as well by gobbling up all the valuables in the MWC/AAC, but maybe wishful thinking on my part. The MWC and AAC would then raid the rest of the G5 and upper FCS to shore up the 3rd level, which is where NDSU belongs (instead of the 4th).

If you lump the 1 and 2 levels together as the 'P5', you can refer to our desired landing spot as the 2nd level instead of 3rd

[HerdBot]

If those schools stay in PAC.
Stanford and ND rumored to B1G, followed by Washington and Oregon at a later date.
B1G supposedly said "no" to Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado - thus the reason they are talking to B12.

If all that develops, the PAC loses up to 9 schools. Do the remainders try to rebuild or merge with someone else?

If the Big 10 goes west, will they be fine with just 2 and do away with divisions, do 9 conference games and go with the 3-3-6 scheduling model?

And will the pac 12 just remain the pac 10?

I have a tough time believing they are only going to add 2. Even. Through its a shit load of money, you need more than 1 regional rivalry. Is the PAC 8 too small?

[OrygunBison]

I don't think the PAC12 survives this. It is hard to overstate the impact of losing SoCal tv and recruiting. The other major powers will need to make a change. Once Oregon and Washington leave, the other schools will HAVE to bail.

[NDSU92]

I don't think the PAC12 survives this. It is hard to overstate the impact of losing SoCal tv and recruiting. The other major powers will need to make a change. Once Oregon and Washington leave, the other schools will HAVE to bail.

What do you mean by 'Pac 12'? The idea of a conference with schools that we normally associate it with? Or the organizational entity? At the end of the day, they still have their bowl tie-ins, etc. So even if there were only a few schools left there's a better chance that 6-8 schools go from MWC to PAC, than 2-4 schools go from PAC to MWC. I just don't see a world in which OSU and WSU are taken by a super conference.

Or am I wrong? Forgive my ignorance on this conference thing.

[taper]

I'm having a hard time seeing how NDSU benefits from this. We're definitely not alone in not benefiting. If the B1G stop at 16 then probably nothing else changes for now. If they expand then the Pac12 is done and either dissolves or merges with the Big12. Either way there's a glut of FBS schools looking for a home and we're near the bottom of the list. WSU and OSU have a realistic possibility of being left out and dropping to the MWC out of necessity, and don't have any illusions a conference would pick us over them.

[NDSU92]

I'm having a hard time seeing how NDSU benefits from this. We're definitely not alone in not benefiting. If the B1G stop at 16 then probably nothing else changes for now. If they expand then the Pac12 is done and either dissolves or merges with the Big12. Either way there's a glut of FBS schools looking for a home and we're near the bottom of the list. WSU and OSU have a realistic possibility of being left out and dropping to the MWC out of necessity, and don't have any illusions a conference would pick us over them.

Yeah but question still stands. Current MWC moves up to PAC and then leaves a gaping hole in the current MWC conference, no?

The MW be another CUSA, but this time there are the dakota and Montana schools plus a couple other MVFC that would be interested in filling out the eastern division. Works for me and probably most else. Still not ideal.

[taper]

Yeah but question still stands. Current MWC moves up to PAC and then leaves a gaping hole in the current MWC conference, no?

The MW be another CUSA, but this time there are the dakota and Montana schools plus a couple other MVFC that would be interested in filling out the eastern division. Works for me and probably most else. Still not ideal.

That assumes the Pac still exists and MWC accept invites. That's most definitely not guaranteed if the B1G takes more teams. I can easily see a scenario with the Pac being reduced to WSU, OSU, and 0-3 other schools. That group has zero bargaining power and will be picked apart.