lets drop baseball and add hockey

[TheBisonator]

History, being anything before the 80's. I take peoples word who were around when they say 60's is when NDSU started turning it on especially against UND. Can I personally confirm it or do I know the statistics other than 8 championships against 1 for UND? No, not at all. In fact I was very surprised to hear UND has had that many conference titles and a pretty good of a winning percentage, but thats still not football tradition. Tradition is what we have. Or on a bigger scale, what Oklahoma, Alabama, USC, Nebraska, etc. have. UND is a little harder to compare...maybe a Colorado or something? Sometimes pretty good, but not a whole lot to show for it.

NDSU won three College Division national championships via the polls in the late 1960's (This was the equivalent of basically the top half of FCS and the bottom third of FBS today). NDSU then won 5 NCAA DII national championships in the 1980's and in 1990.

UND won one DII national championship in 2001, which was around the time the scholarship levels were being reduced to the point where the whole division was becoming really diluted (Not to mention schools like Minnesota-Crookston and MSUM entering DII)

In the 1980's, when NDSU was taking home title after title, there were 45 scholarships maximum for a DII team. NDSU was giving out all 45 of them, and not very many other DII schools were doing the same. UND was not able to provide all 45 like NDSU did. This max went down to 36 sometime in the 90's. Surprise surprise, UND was giving out 36 schollies, but now NDSU was forced to reduce the number of schollies it gave for football to 36. The result: UND beat us most of the time, almost always in a really close game.

Back when the score was 45-30-something for schollies in favor of NDSU, NDSU was UND's master in football. Every year was a woodshed beatin' on UND.

[Hambone]

NDSU won three College Division national championships via the polls in the late 1960's (This was the equivalent of basically the top half of FCS and the bottom third of FBS today). NDSU then won 5 NCAA DII national championships in the 1980's and in 1990.

UND won one DII national championship in 2001, which was around the time the scholarship levels were being reduced to the point where the whole division was becoming really diluted (Not to mention schools like Minnesota-Crookston and MSUM entering DII)

In the 1980's, when NDSU was taking home title after title, there were 45 scholarships maximum for a DII team. NDSU was giving out all 45 of them, and not very many other DII schools were doing the same. UND was not able to provide all 45 like NDSU did. This max went down to 36 sometime in the 90's. Surprise surprise, UND was giving out 36 schollies, but now NDSU was forced to reduce the number of schollies it gave for football to 36. The result: UND beat us most of the time, almost always in a really close game.

Back when the score was 45-30-something for schollies in favor of NDSU, NDSU was UND's master in football. Every year was a woodshed beatin' on UND.

You realize you're essentially saying the only way you can be better than UND is by having an advantage in scholarships, don't you? And that the only way they were so good was that advantage? Might want to rephrase....

[Notorious]

You realize you're essentially saying the only way you can be better than UND is by having an advantage in scholarships, don't you?

Don't listen to him...he's canadian.

[TheBisonator]

Coming back to the original purpose of this thread, baseball has just reeled off 5 wins in a row and is now 4-2 in the conference, recently turning its record from an absolutely pathetic winless first 13 games to a merely "crappy" 7-18. And hey, they've gone 7-5 in their last 12.

One thing that has not been mentioned in this thread, but I think bears great importance:

College World Series > Frozen Four

Winnipeg's getting its NHL team back next year. I'll personally have my hockey team already. Don't need a college team to also root for. I can only focus on so many teams.

[onbison09]

Coming back to the original purpose of this thread, baseball has just reeled off 5 wins in a row and is now 4-2 in the conference, recently turning its record from an absolutely pathetic winless first 13 games to a merely "crappy" 7-18. And hey, they've gone 7-5 in their last 12.

One thing that has not been mentioned in this thread, but I think bears great importance:

College World Series > Frozen Four

Winnipeg's getting its NHL team back next year. I'll personally have my hockey team already. Don't need a college team to also root for. I can only focus on so many teams.

Based on what?

[onbison09]

You realize you're essentially saying the only way you can be better than UND is by having an advantage in scholarships, don't you? And that the only way they were so good was that advantage? Might want to rephrase....

You could argue we chose to give out more and you guys chose to give out less. But yeah...

[duluthbison]

It WAS explored 10 years ago HEAVILY! We chose to explore Division 1 for all sports instead. Please drop this stupid argument. You keep saying "it cant hurt football and basketball", well if we add it it will hurt them both bottom line! Thats why they didnt make the move in the first place with hockey 10 years ago! The firms were hired. The studies were done. Gino Gasparini was even going to coach it. If hockey was such a great idea financially where are some of the other northern schools like Iowa, Iowa State, Illinois, Montana, Syracuse, St Johns, UCONN to name a few. If we start to see these other schools jump on board then we should explore it but not now.

Lets build ALL the programs we have now into Summit League dominant contenders first. If we have any program lacking behind in funding then we need to build that up first before we even think of adding anything else.

As far as the equestrian from another comment... Great idea Sioux fan! Its much less expensive to haul around horses in trailers and feed and water them compared to hockey. Who is paying for the stall cleaning bill cuz I am sure the "athletes" wont be doing that on their own. I think some people need to find out exactly how much is spent on equetrian at SDSU before anyone thinks that would be a great alternative.

Here is a little glimpse into just how expensive that could be after looking at the "Barn Managers" bio from the Equestrian coaches page.

***Martin Hanson returns for his third year as the SDSU equestrian barn manger, where manages the day-to-day operations of the Nathelle and Lawrence DeHaan Equestrian Center and the 150 acres of land it sits on, as well as the care and welfare of South Dakota State's stable of more than 40 horses. In addition to his daily duties, Hanson maintains and supervises a staff of 10-15 student employees and aids in the design and implementation of capital improvements for the facility****

If Spreewell couldnt feed his family on 12Mil a year imagine feeding 40 hungry horses.

The firms were hired because there was serious interest, the reason why it failed was because NDSU, the city, and a few others got into a spat about who was going to pay for the new arena and were it was going to be. There were plans to put an arena downtown, and from what I was told NDSU even went as far as to take down payments for Bison Hockey season tickets at this new venue. But after that things came crashing down and they haven't been picked up since.

I think that hockey could be a really good team with in a few years. I think that now is a great time to get into D1 hockey with Minnesota and Wisconsin leaving the WCHA.

http://library.ndsu.edu/tools/dspace...pdf?sequence=1

Chapman's State of the University Address, 1999

Consistent with my goal for every campus program to be the best it can be, this summer I gave the athletic department permission to explore its future, including two matters which received a lot of media coverage: a possible divisional switch and adding hockey. When resources are scarce, why should we consider putting additional resources into areas outside of teaching and scholarship? The short answer is a greater possible return on investment. What we're doing right now is, in effect, a business plan to see if the rewards will outweigh the costs.
Let's talk about hockey first. For a long time, there has been community and campus interest in adding varsity hockey. Engineering studies have been commissioned by the City of Fargo with private support and non-appropriated funds from the athletic budget to see if a suitable facility could be constructed as part of a downtown redevelopment plan, on our campus, or at some other location. Hockey is a sport that traditionally supports itself. So the question is whether the cost of this program and facility makes economic sense, and if so, based on the best data available, we can make a decision on adding it to our athletic mix.

If you were around Fargo-Moorhead this summer, you may have read about the second issue facing athletics, a possible divisional switch. Let me state loudly and clearly that no decision has been made. As scholars, we recognize the importance of making decisions based on data. What is happening now is that data are being gathered before this campus makes a decision. Perhaps phrasing the issue as a
research question is appropriate: would a switch from NCAA Division II to NCAA Division IAA make sense economically and be consistent with the perspective of wanting all NDSU programs to be the best they can be?
This is a time of great uncertainty in collegiate athletics and we really don't know how schools and conferences will be positioned in the coming years. Making a change to Division IAA likely will offer the university greater national exposure, which will, in time, support our efforts in recruiting and institutional growth. But can we afford it? Let's find out, then make up our minds about these proposals. This is a matter with statewide implications and our discussions need a statewide perspective, as well.

[56BISON73]

I dont understand why some want hockey. Because when they discuss UNDs hockey program they say its only a niche sport thats regional with no national following. Even though its D1 and they have won numerous National Championships.
Please explain.

[coldspot]

I dont understand why some want hockey. Because when they discuss UNDs hockey program they say its only a niche sport thats regional with no national following. Even though its D1 and they have won numerous National Championships.
Please explain.

let's drop the hockey talk and build a decent baseball program that can get into the post season, possibly into the NCAA tournament. because as it was said before

college world series > frozen four

If you don't believe that, try watching the CWS this summer on ESPN. it's on almost every night of the week for two weeks in June.

[onbison09]

let's drop the hockey talk and build a decent baseball program that can get into the post season, possibly into the NCAA tournament. because as it was said before

college world series > frozen four

If you don't believe that, try watching the CWS this summer on ESPN. it's on almost every night of the week for two weeks in June.

Does anyone honestly think we'll be anywhere the CWS in our lifetimes?