Big difference between 2.2 million and 7 million a year. Over night NDSU is worth 4.8 million more?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
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Big difference between 2.2 million and 7 million a year. Over night NDSU is worth 4.8 million more?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Year one, probably not. Year 3 or 4 with bowl games, conference championship and wins against P5 programs under our belt? Probably.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
The FBS brand is worth a lot. Right or wrong, it just is. Otherwise you’d see teams like UMass or WKU or Old Dominion dropping back down to FCS.
They don’t drop back down because the FBS brand is worth a lot to the administrators not because the brand is worth a lot to the University.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Why is it worth a lot to the administrators? Because they’d be fired if they moved their programs back down? Doesn’t that make it important to the university if they’re willing to fire their president and AD over it?Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
I’m not saying it’s justified, but the FBS brand is very important: for media rights, alumni involvement and school prestige. Some of those benefits are warranted, many are not. But it’s the way it is.
Their salaries. FBS ADs and coaches get paid more.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
So the only reason those schools are FBS is because the ADs are on a power trip about their salaries?Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
Don’t really think so but even then, why do they get paid more? Because the schools place value on being FBS?
Maybe someone should tell ADML about the pay increase. Maybe the coaching staff should point that out to ADML. :innocent:Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
Probably not the sole reason but it is a rather large incentive for the senior AD staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Why? Because FBS is big time baby!
I just don’t get it I guess. You guys get my hopes up for FBS but it never happens. There has got to be reason why NDSU hasn’t gotten an invite. Matt Larson and Entz would get big raises to go to FBS so why haven’t they pushed for it. Do we think donations won’t be enough? Is enrollment not big enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
There needs to be a catalyst for them to extend an invite. Something needs to happen where they want more members. The point of this entire thread is about us positioning for when that happens. Nobody expects the MW to kick out Boise and replace with us because we’re better than everyone they currently have. We’d just need to be the best option available when they are looking. Thats the idea, always has been.Quote:
Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club
Yeah, so right or wrong the university places a lot of value on the brand of being FBS. The administrators, coaches, alumni, fans, media partners, recruits. Right or wrong, valid or invalid, they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
Absolutely. Completely agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
NDSU's potential market is probably around 1 million tops.
North Dakota and northwest Minnesota. It's nothing resembling P5. It never will be P5. But we deserve more than FCS lol.
As if anyone gives a shit about what we think we deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
People can joke about the G5 schools being FBS in name only..Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
At least they get to play big schools ever year. Meanwhile we got guys on the board trying to hype up a potential playoff game with Monmouth.
We are also coming off a game week against a team, from one of the better FCS conferences, who doesn't have a beat writer, legitimate media contract, or hell, even a dedicated message board.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
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Well...they actually do have a message boardQuote:
Originally Posted by oldmantutters
http://www.towsonfans.com/index.php?...football-talk/
But I agree
You will never get this thru the naysayers heads, we are mearly asking for some sort of acknowledgment the Admin is interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
“Our peers in the FCS and MVFC have been excellent partners for us and we believe that if NDSU were to stay at the FCS level, that we could continue to be very successful. The FCS, and specifically MVFC, are an excellent brand and it is encouraging to see the direction they are going.Quote:
Originally Posted by tjbison
That said, we have to always keep in mind what is best for NDSU. We have evaluated (or if we’re idiots and haven’t evaluated — we’re open to evaluating) our options at the next level. We understand the opportunities that are there for this university and football program at the FBS level and we will certainly entertain any invitations to apply for conference membership at that level.”
There we go. It’s non-committal to either, politically doesn’t piss any current partners off, and concisely states the university’s position. Took me about 30 seconds to come up with and a minute to write. Pay some PR firm $20k to polish it up and we’re good to go.
yep, but sadly there will probably be "A new and EVEN better FBS Thread" going by that time and we will all be wondering WTF happened while JMU, and some obscure FCS team like Jacksonville St is in FBS and doing good...*cough* Coastal Carolina *cough*Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
You just shush it up. Monmouth is the pinnacle of FCS football and one hell of an institution. I mean it could be worse and play a team like something called Cincinnati or Boise St.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
#20 Monmouth (2-1) takes down Charleston Southern 41-14
in Big South Conference opener. Should be looking pretty sweet for Mighty Monmouth in this week’s FCS poll!
Up next for this favorite up and coming FCS program, the Crusaders of Holy Cross.
Charleston Southern takes on East Carolina next.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wnc...-ecu-next/amp/
That Holy Cross game is fascinating for Monmouth because Holy Cross already did this:Quote:
Kevin Callahan, Monmouth’s 29th-year coach, is ranked sixth among active FCS coaches with 168 wins. The Hawks are 18-2 in the Big South since 2017.
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Sam Herder
@SamHerderFCS
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Sep 19
#FCS vs. FBS wins this season:
UC Davis @ Tulsa (19-17)
EWU @ UNLV (35-33)
SDSU @ Col. St (42-23)
Holy Cross @ UConn (38-28)
Montana @ No. 20 Washington (13-7)
ETSU @ Vandy (23-3)
Duquesne @ Ohio (28-26)
Jax St @ Florida St (20-17)
UIW @ Texas St (42-34)
NAU vs. Arizona (21-19)
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mwwire....-its-here/amp/
NDSU just over here in the corner being an Introvert at the High School Dance.....
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You can pick what you want, but just combining Fargo and Bismarck which would be Bison markets if they were FBS would rank them favorably against a lot of schools. I'm not sure you can take more than just Eugene when there are more than one FBS program in that state. I didn't say take an arbitrary area you did. If you want to turn this into some dumb ass exercise to meet your agenda, go ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
If I were to take an arbitrary area of a p5 school, then I would have suggested taking an actual less than arbitrary area that would actually watch Bison football at that level. Where does that extend? Part of SD? MT? Certainly MN.
The one thing FBS does way more than FCS does is pull in fans much wider than alumni and being just representative of a state. Sure there are fans of Bison football with little ties to the school or program, but FBS schools transcend that even further.
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This might be the most pro-FBS post in this entire threadQuote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
Unfortunately TJbison’s article link shows just how difficult it is going to be for NDSU to get invited into the Mountain West Conference……Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/mwwire....-its-here/amp/
NDSU just over here in the corner being an Introvert at the High School Dance.....
Unfortunately, he who shall not be named, has promoted for years
the idea that all NDSU has to do is promote itself, knock on the
MW’s door and boom, membership! And more people seem to be believing that without offering any links to help substantiate that idea.
But these articles, from writers with connections, hardly ever
mention Fargo, how ‘bout that???
And like the article shows, there are many other directions they can look instead……
Anyways, at least now, with the possibility that the MW will get raided
for 2 or more (hopefully at least 3) teams, there is a smaller chance they
will aggressively look at expansion. And the MW expanding into a
14 of 16 team super conference may still be necessary to get Fargo in.
Would enjoy seeing NDSU, SDSU, Montana & Montana State all into
a division with Wyoming and whatever other eastern teams are left
from the MW (if/when after it is raided by the AAC or Big 12).
But I still have yet to be shown any links that help make me believe the chance of that happening is more than slim/none.
Yeah I mean I was just saying that if Monmouth vs. Charleston Southern info/highlights is what’s keeping us excited about FCS, then let’s just hold the funeral now. I don’t hate FCS, and I don’t like it when people shit on it all the time, but bragging about Monmouth and Lamar or Incarnate Word can be just as ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
If you’re looking for the links about MW expansion, I think they’re right next to the ones from two months ago about UT and OU going to the SEC. Literally no one had the scoop on that until the Texas A&M AD got caught with his pants down during media days. I remember writers all over the place 8-10 years ago who had “all the connections” spouting out about the P5 breaking off and 16 or 32 team mega conferences and we all know how that worked out.
I would encourage people to read the link within the link
TJbison provided - it is the latest interview with Mountain West
Commissioner Craig Thompson
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...mpression=true
Some of the takeaways:
The 2 MWC teams most likely to leave for the AAC - Colorado State & Air Force
- The AAC’s ESPN contract can be renegotiated downward with the loss of conference teamsQuote:
Thompson wouldn’t say which two are most apt to entertain the AAC’s advances, but several sources inside and outside the conference confirmed they are Air Force and Colorado State — and not San Diego State or Boise State, which seem content to stay in the Mountain West and wait for another round of power conference expansion, most likely with the Big 12. Earlier this year, SDSU Athletic Director John David Wicker called a rumored move to the AAC a “nonstarter.”
- Exit fees. Will the AAC pay the MW exit fees? Could use the $$ they get from Cincinnati, Central Florida and Houston departing early
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The Mountain West requires only 12 months’ notice but three times the previous year’s conference payout from the TV contract, sponsorships and NCAA Tournament distributions. That totals about $12.5 million. If there’s less than a year notice, it doubles.
Would be a bummer to have two of the "closer" schools leave but an annual battle with Boise would be a blast! Ideally, the two Montana schools and the xDSUs get invited and North and South divisions are created.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
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Boise would be a blast, but unfortunately - according to the reports - Boise & San Diego State are just waiting for the second wave of Big 12 expansion after Texas & Oklahoma leave. (2024ish) (Big 12 will be back down to 12 teams)Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmantutters
Rather than go to the Big 12.
I'd rather be in the MWC and deal with them departing than stay FCS and have that realignment not happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
If we were to get into the MWC, think of the home games that we would have. Wyoming, in Fargo. Hawaii, in Fargo. Nevada, in Fargo. BOISE STATE, in FARGO!! Every single home game for the first couple years would have potential as the biggest home game in NDSU history.
That is fine, all we need is an FBS conference. We can kick Wyoming's ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruinbison
I've been thinking about this quite a bit. While i'd love to jump right into the MWC, I just don't see it happening unless there is some sort of apocalyptic event happens. So, if NDSU does make the choice to seek out a FBS conference here are the options:
1. C-USA - now hear me out. It is very possible that over the next two years as many as 4-6 of the schools in that conference could be somewhere else (AAC, Sunbelt, MWC). If that happens, the identity of that conference does not necessarily have to be what it is today. It very well could be a conference in need of schools to provide stability. Currently this conference is mostly southern and eastern, it could very well become more midwestern if NDSU (and others) were to try to jump together to the FBS. I could see a western division including the likes of NDSU, SDSU, Montana, Montana State.
2. WAC - At first blush, most on this board will say NO immediately to this conference. The reality is however that the conference has plans already to return to a FBS conference that is nothing like it looks like at the present day. The same group above could all join the WAC and kick out some of the dead weight of that conference. The best existing schools in the conference could stay (GCU, NM State, Sam Houston). We could also add the best of the Summit League for the Olympic sports (looking at you USD, UST, Denver, Oral Roberts, UND) to get to a 10 team conference for Olympic sports with 7 for football (maybe 8 if UST can use their resources and get their shit together)
South Division:
Sam Houston *
GCU
NM State *
Oral
Denver
Omaha
North Division:
NDSU *
SDSU *
UND*
Montana *
Montana State *
St. Thomas
There are schools that currently play football that might not want to be FBS. Those schools can stay in the MVFC (or something else) if they would like.
This conference would be pretty cool. VERY good basketball with GCU, NM State, Oral, NDSU, SDSU and UST (assuming they will be very competitive in a few years). GREAT football conference with high quality conference opponents and the ability to play other G5 or P5 programs.
Thoughts?
It makes no sense to have that many regional G5 teams in any FBS conferenceQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
You’re just shooting yourself in the foot before you step up a level in play, and you’re recruiting the same region. You’d be handicapping yourself right out of the box
I understand the appeal, but some schools will get left behind and that’s OK
I think Bruin’s idea of NDSU/SDSU/ + 2 MT schools should be viewed as the max
I lived near Portland for 19 years and the Portland metro area is definitely a prime market for the Ducks and the Beavers. The three counties in the Portland metro (not including Clark county, Washington) are about 1.5 million and there is a ton of traffic on I-5 between Portland and Eugene on Gamedays. Lots of traffic to Corvallis, but I would say Duck fans outnumber Beavers fans in Portland by at least 3-1.
Portland State got the same coverage that D-III Linfield College did which was maybe a story every couple of weeks on the local news and some highlights if the Ducks or Beavers were playing after the early news.
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Originally Posted by tjbison
Too may people talking about the Montanas and SDSU moving up ... I just don't see that happening.
I know it solves the why an FBS conference would take NDSU when we don't align geographically but I just don't see any of those three schools moving up.
0 chance sdsu or Montanas move up
quite frankly NDSU should WANT to move up on their own
BELL BANK could've paid for the 50,000 seat NDSU FBS STADIUM with the crap they are doing in Mesa AZ
Bell Bank has agreed to a 10-year naming rights deal for a $280 million multipurpose sports and entertainment complex under construction in Mesa, Ariz.
How is the C-USA a step up? NDSU gets paid more for their media deals than the CUSA members get from their deal. MAC and Sunbelt teams are also in the same boat. Only the AAC or the MWC would be a step up in the payout. Would NDSU get to negotiate their own media deals if a member of those conferences……. Prob not.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
Lol uhh how much do you think Bell is paying? Honest questionQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo