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Don't they make a lot of money on guarantee games with G5 schools? Maybe there are some home and homes and those might end but I still think they'd want games beyond the few P5 conferences but I could be completely wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamsRams
The G5 schools are the ones who make the money off the P5. Just like us when we play upper division schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
I think what Gully is saying is no matter what happens the big boys will still want their guaranteed home games where they don't have to make the return trip so they can continue to have 7 or more home games every season. It's a lot tougher and more expensive for them to pull in a P5 team for a guarantee game than it is to get a G5 or FCS team. Even though the P5 teams are probably paying $1M+ for a G5 guarantee game they're still making money by getting all their normal home game revenue and they don't have to sacrifice a home game in the future to make a return trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Got it. :cheers:Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...homa-texas-sec
“There was some appetite in the meeting for possibly adding two teams even if OU and Texas decide to stay”
If they leave, Big 12 adds 4 – BYU plus 3 G5 teams. Not sure which 3, but just not on either coast, e.g. + BYU, Cincinnati, Houston (who cares about TCU and Baylor? Nobody) and one from MWC.
https://twitter.com/jeffculhane/stat...94812498796545
People are overreacting to this. It might not even happen, and if it does it will have been ALL about $$$$$ (not FB prowess). UT and OU have a harder road to the playoff in the SEC than the Big12. They surely know this, but money talks.
Top six conference champs in the 12-team playoff. So IF the P5 becomes the P4, that’s one more slot for the G5, and now you have (potentially) an even rougher conference slate within the SEC fighting for an at-large. Makes no sense if you’re serious about FB (so I admit I don’t get OU … oh wait, that’s right, $$$$). Sure, you get the best recruits, but they’ll all be competing against each other most of the time, and kids like to win games.
P5 will not split up FBS. They hate the idea of being severed from the NCAA, even though they are driving it. Giving the G5 enough to keep them engaged makes the P5 feel better about it all, and the G5 will be more than happy to oblige.
The 4-team “playoff” is what’s killing CFB. UT and OU going to the SEC is peanuts in comparison, and at some point the greed of the SEC (and P5 in general) will bite them in the ass.
As for NDSU …
https://twitter.com/McFeely_Inforum/...46453378568203
Oh that’s right, the bucket-o-crabs state. All you FCS forever guys can breath easy ...
The P5 wants all of the benefits the NCAA has to offer except for oversight. They are nothing more than administrators now.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
no if they leave ncaa... you're right thenQuote:
Originally Posted by SamsRams
ya. bucket of crabs need 2 be dumped
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Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
The points are valid and I’m not dismissing them. Covid has changed the game. I wouldn’t be surprised if these conferences go to 2 or maybe even 1 non conference game. But I think even if they lose a home game occasionally the money paid by tv for a Oklahoma vs Miami would be much larger than a Oklahoma vs Eastern Michigan game.
They could also charge more for tickets.
Remember the NFL never played the USFL. I just don’t see how a new league would play against a different league.
the 6+6 playoff format is just an idea on a piece of paper at this point. It the landscape changes substantially there’s nothing stopping them from modifying the playoff proposal.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
If they do that at this point, given where it came from and how it has been received, then yes, the G5 will hopefully dump them.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
so if NDSU doesn't have guts to make a jump, finances, legislative fortitude, market....
we should be advocating a 64 team SUPER CONFERENCE model .... and hope that all the G5's combine with top tier fcs programs for a national playoff system?
but they wont... :(
And it begins ...
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...t-media-rights
I don't see the BigXII surviving if Texas and OU bolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Kansas and Iowa State are AAU schools. The B1G would look at them.
The rest don't want to trade UT/OU for Cincy and Houston. They'd look at the PAC12.
This final alignment would* and yet wouldn't surprise me:
https://forum.siouxsports.com/upload...4594cae84.jpeg
*Would the PAC12 schools take in TCU and BU ... Christians and specifically Baptists?
I’m not going to click on that link, but I assume it’s just a redistributed P4 with no G5 move-ups. FWIW, I think you’re throwing the Big12 into the trash a little prematurely, but I guess we’ll see how it all shakes out.
But since you’re here, tell us – from an FCS perspective – how you would feel about an FBS NDSU?
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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ig-12-for-sec/Quote:
In 2016, Iowa State athletic director Jamie Pollard made this prescient statement: "The Big 12 exists because we have Texas and Oklahoma in the room. If we take Texas and Oklahoma out of the room, we're the Mountain West Conference." ...
"When you're losing two of the most visible programs, the network has the right to come and say, 'We're going to reduce the rights by X.'" one longtime, high-profile administrator said.
That means the Big 12 deal could drop from $37 million in annual revenue to as low as $9 million per school.
The link is a map just as you speculate.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
KU and Iowa State have the academic/research side to go their own way. That'll be the final nail for the Big XII.
I said a long time ago that I fully expect the G5 and about the top 1/3 of FCS to end up in a new football mosh pit.
I can see a p4 with 16 schools each. They won't care about ever playing g5 schools again because the tv money will be insane, so home and no home scheduling won't matter.
I think the ncaa completely folds and lets the p4 operate independently in football but remain in the ncaa in all other sports. Basketball would be decimated without those 64 programs.
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Link doesn't work. Regardless, that is still well above what each team in the "P6" AAC is currently getting ($7M)Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
The difference between the very top of the G5 and bottom of the top 3rd of FCS is astronomical. I get why you and many others around these parts hope this happens, but I just don't see the kind of clean split you are espousing.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. You said it a lot more clearly though :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
Indeed, which is why all of these moves (including NDSU obviously) should be discussed in the context of FB only.Quote:
Originally Posted by td577
It's a bit like the fox guarding the hen house, the way it is currently being run (by the SEC), but I doubt Emmert loses any sleep over it. Which is funny, since we the mere-mortal masses kind of like how March Madness works and would love to see FB try to emulate this kind of a model.
P5 football is starting to taste a little rancid to me ...
https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ig-12-for-sec/Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
I get what you're saying, but even in the P5 the differences are like that (Texas' budget is more than 3x Washington State's).Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
UConn and Houston are $80M and $75M respectively. UND and NDSU are 1/3 of that (see Texas/Wassu difference).
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances
All that said, there are a lot of dominos to fall before that conversation comes around.
Dean Bresciani can leave a legacy and have a freakin statue made if he got NDSU into the Mountain West or AAC!
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Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I would agree with that, if he could somehow convince them to elevate NDSU in front of the 20+ other schools these conferences would rather add it would be quite a feat
Interesting discussion in which NDSU, SDSU and JMU come up frequently
https://www.college-sports-journal.c...d-fcs/#content
Overall take away - There will likely be massive realignment at the G5 level but only a few FCS schools will be impacted
Need a new stadium/dome. Not one made of fucking brick this time. I’ve said it many times but the type we need is a fully enclosed stadium like the Mosaic Stadium in Saskatoon. 30k expandable to 38k. Get this indoor practice facility up and start on that. No open air stadiums because it’s not ideal and don’t want to hear otherwise. Needs to happen!!!
This seems to be the most logical conclusion when thinking all of this through. And those few FCS schools will not be the ones that are most deserving because of program quality. It will be a combo of academics, geography(even though I don't believe it matters near as much as it used to), readiness and willingness.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Brick is better than the tin shit house up north. Agreed though next larger stadium needs to be enclosed and likely won't be brick.Quote:
Originally Posted by 23Bison
"You must seize destiny by the throat" – Saw that on an athlete’s T-shirt once upon a time ...Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
I disagree with the second sentence, FWIW. That's all that matters at our level - FB prowess. I like our CV
This one is good too
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ther-gets-best
Overall it was a good read and at least one of the contributors laid out a fairly lengthy(in relation to the article) case for why NDSU could very well end up in the BIG XII.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
EDIT: And now USC and the B1G are rumored to be looking at each other.
I did not include the word “entirely” in my statement so it doesn’t look like the dome. You are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
And now?? Is your information machine on a 2 day delay?Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
FBS or bust, I know many many people that plan to only tailgate. Financials will show this year more than any. Lots of people lost interest after having a year off and found other things to do, they would come back for a new challenge. Its sad but true, what is going on now is probably the best chance ever if NDSU is serious, if they stay in FCS they better be willing to drop prices on fees and tickets, people will not pay FBS prices for FCS..DII quality
If our administration doesn't pursue and successfully get into FBS (I've previously said it may well be too late), then they need to redirect funds to basketball. We cannot be a "football" school in the crap that is FCS when all the energy is in FBS. If we want to stay FCS, fine. Then at least properly fund the BB program (with appropriate personnel changes as necessary) so that we can become something of a Wichita State of the north.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honeybooboo
why not both???Quote:
Originally Posted by Professorbum
Because we would still be in the FCS and it would suck for eternity.
Must be. I haven't really gone out looking for news on the realignment stuff because it will all change 100 times or more before the dust settles. I just happen to notice this headline today and hadn't seen it before.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamsRams
Ok. I’d be good with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo