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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Then why was the P5 given autonomy?

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When did the P5 break away and play themselves? That was supposed to be the “split”. They were supposed to cut out the G5 and that has not happened and doesn’t appear to be happening. If anything, it appears that if anything, they are getting closer together rather than splitting apart.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Most people in authority know how to keep their mouths shut and dont post information like this on social media.

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It’s funny that you think it’s the ones with authority that would be doing the posting and letting the cat out of the bag.

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

When did the P5 break away and play themselves? That was supposed to be the “split”. They were supposed to cut out the G5 and that has not happened and doesn’t appear to be happening. If anything, it appears that if anything, they are getting closer together rather than splitting apart.

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Who said they were supposed to split apart? That parameter was nothing but a wish by those who wanted to see that happen.
As I said----there was realignment. It just wasnt what people expected or thought it would be.

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

It’s funny that you think it’s the ones with authority that would be doing the posting and letting the cat out of the bag.

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:rolleyes:...........

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Who said they were supposed to split apart? That parameter was nothing but a wish by those who wanted to see that happen.
As I said----there was realignment. It just wasnt what people expected or thought it would be.

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There has been legitimate conversations at the NCAA and conference level about splitting the P5 conferences and the rest of the membership from a compliance and funding standpoint. It hasn't happened. I though part of it is the magic of the NCAA mens basketball tournament (which brings in 80% of the NCAA revenue) is partially due to the smaller conferences. Plus the P5 schools only make up 60 of the 300+ members in the NCAA.

If the split have happened by now I don't see it happening anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

Say we got two groups at the country club. We got the lawyers, farmers, and surgeons who are the rich guys. Then we got the middle class fellas, teachers/coaches, insurance guys, loan officers.

We are in a country club together. The rich guys get the best tee times, have the best clubs, and really handle the day-to-day decision making. Some of them take golf serious, some only play because they are friends with the rest of the guys, but they all put a fair bit of time and money into the country club.

The rest of us like golf, some of us are actually pretty good, any given day those guys can beat a lot of the wealthy guys but his job means he can only golf in the evenings and some weekends with us. The rest of us are average, some are bad. We like to drink beer and socialize. The municipal course sucks and we don't want to go there.

The rich guys don't mind us. We mostly stay out of their way. We don't mind them, most of them are actually pretty good guys, all play softball and basketball together. They invite us to play sometimes if they need a partner. The only annoying thing is that they have the club championship during a time that none of us can make it, but we don't really care because none of us are good enough to be the best. Anyway, they like us because we don't slow down play, some of us coach their kids sports teams, we might have accounting advice or our kid might cut their grass. We even got a Mormon guy who is always willing to DD and he's semi-retired so he can always play in a scramble if the rich guys need someone.

The rich guys want to raise the fees a bit, they want to class up the joint. So we vote in favor because we like golfing here and the municipal course is a dump and the guys who golf there are weird.

The rich guys are happy. The clubhouse is great and the restaurant in there is high end. Most of us might swing in for a beer or appetizers but it's pretty expensive, we'll all probably go to Chili's or something later.

The rich guys don't want to get rid of us. We are pretty friendly with each other. Plus you gotta see the softball tourney we all have every year. It's a great time. They just wanted a nicer country club.

We pay our dues, we golf at different times, and we don't cause any real issues, plus our kids date and go to the same schools, play on the same teams, nobody wants drama in town.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Then why was the P5 given autonomy?

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

When did the P5 break away and play themselves? That was supposed to be the “split”. They were supposed to cut out the G5 and that has not happened and doesn’t appear to be happening. If anything, it appears that if anything, they are getting closer together rather than splitting apart.

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I think my post from several months ago sorta covered what the P5 did and what I thought they wanted to do. I don't think they were ever really going to cut out the G5, they have a pretty good gig set up. I think they wanted a bigger playoff, and knew they'd have a hard time doing that without giving the G5 at least something.

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Originally Posted by runtheoption

I'm not agitated. I'm disappointed that I am always the smartest guy in the room. You poor bastards.

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You guys wouldn't understand.

I think if we had a nickel for every time Lakes and PL argued about the same thing on this topic we could fund the ENTIRE NCAA football conferences...

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

It’s funny that you think it’s the ones with authority that would be doing the posting and letting the cat out of the bag.

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We all know it will be El Lako Bison that will be doing that part.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

We all know it will be El Lako Bison that will be doing that part.

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Just as long as it’s accurate information is all I care about.

I was like 9 years old at the time, so do any of you old farts care to explain what Chapman and Taylor did to get us to FCS? Did it not entail clearly stating our intention to move up?

Or did we sit around and wait until the Big Sky rammed an invitation up our asses?

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I was like 9 years old at the time, so do any of you old farts care to explain what Chapman and Taylor did to get us to FCS? Did it not entail clearly stating our intention to move up?

Or did we sit around and wait until the Big Sky rammed an invitation up our asses?

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The invitation that never came....

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

The invitation that never came....

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So you're saying, the waiting-for-the-invitation-to-be-shoved-up-our-ass strategy did not work? Someone needs to get the word out on this. I think the administration is still bent over waiting for an invitation to come in unannounced for a landing.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

I was like 9 years old at the time, so do any of you old farts care to explain what Chapman and Taylor did to get us to FCS? Did it not entail clearly stating our intention to move up?

Or did we sit around and wait until the Big Sky rammed an invitation up our asses?

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They were looking for the invitation but were voted down. That put NDSU is scramble mode so they started there own conference which was allowed under FCS rules. You cant start your own FBS conference under NCAA rules. NDSU might have also had a season being an indy. I wasnt around at that time.
I think this is the time frame where UND shafted us when we were looking for games.

Well I guess NDSU should just come out and say they are looking for a future FBS conference affiliation or membership. If it’s just football only or full members and also the conference shouldn’t matter. Just get in and build up a big get better resume for a couple seasons and see what happens. MAC, MWC, CUSA, AAC or SUNB. Doesn’t matter just get in.

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

Well I guess NDSU should just come out and say they are looking for a future FBS conference affiliation or membership. If it’s just football only or full members and also the conference shouldn’t matter. Just get in and build up a big get better resume for a couple seasons and see what happens. MAC, MWC, CUSA, AAC or SUNB. Doesn’t matter just get in.

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Interesting tactic.

Besides placating some of the fans what will that accomplish? How do you just get in????

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Interesting tactic.

Besides placating some of the fans what will that accomplish? How do you just get in????

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And pissing off the SBOHE, unless those discussions have been or are being held. If not, NDSU IS basically shutting in its own bed.


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Why not run a feasibility study? Get some real numbers out there not just ballpark figures that are thrown around on Bisonville and then regurgitates by McFeely. It would just be NDSU doing due diligence in the changing landscape of CFB. Don't have to burn any bridges and it would signal some interest in moving up.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Interesting tactic.

Besides placating some of the fans what will that accomplish? How do you just get in????

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Well I guess for starters they would be making it known what their intentions are. You “just get in” by looking for a future conference affiliation or membership. All one can do is seriously inquire about the interest of adding NDSU into another conference. If there is no interest at all then I guess we know how the story will go.

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Originally Posted by oldmantutters

Why not run a feasibility study? Get some real numbers out there not just ballpark figures that are thrown around on Bisonville and then regurgitates by McFeely. It would just be NDSU doing due diligence in the changing landscape of CFB. Don't have to burn any bridges and it would signal some interest in moving up.

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Yep. I agree. See what happens and go from there.

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

Well I guess for starters they would be making it known what their intentions are. You “just get in” by looking for a future conference affiliation or membership. All one can do is seriously inquire about the interest of adding NDSU into another conference. If there is no interest at all then I guess we know how the story will go.

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So you are under the impression that the football world--the people that need to know dont know what NDSUs intentions are? You are also under the impression that NDSU hasnt inquired or hasnt been looking for conference affiliations. Is that correct?

Now lets Look at your last sentence. You just answered your own question.

NDSU ADMIN HAS NOT FUCKING ASKED THE MWC OR MAC FOR AN INVITE

period. end of story.
Time to change that.

Matt has no incentive, he's just happy to be here & riding coattails and not at shitty stony brook

Dean is getting married and off to California/Arizona within the next couple years or sooner. zero incentive.

we fucked until these 2 are gone

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

NDSU ADMIN HAS NOT FUCKING ASKED THE MWC OR MAC FOR AN INVITE

period. end of story.
Time to change that.

Matt has no incentive, he's just happy to be here & riding coattails and not at shitty stony brook

Dean is getting married and off to California/Arizona within the next couple years or sooner. zero incentive.

we fucked until these 2 are gone

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You forgot---anything to back that up? If not its opinion. Not fact.:D

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

You forgot---anything to back that up? If not its opinion. Not fact.:D

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He's got me babe. I'm the pudding.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

So you are under the impression that the football world--the people that need to know dont know what NDSUs intentions are? You are also under the impression that NDSU hasnt inquired or hasnt been looking for conference affiliations. Is that correct?

Now lets Look at your last sentence. You just answered your own question.

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That’s is correct and correct. You have more faith than me in our boy from the east coast about shopping around. You also seem to believe that he has done serious shopping around and has found nothing. I believe he hasn’t really looked period.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

So you are under the impression that the football world--the people that need to know dont know what NDSUs intentions are? You are also under the impression that NDSU hasnt inquired or hasnt been looking for conference affiliations. Is that correct?

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you're really connected to the athletic department. Can you fill us in? What are NDSU's intentions? Publicly the statement has always been that FCS is good and that they like where they are. Have there been discussions with conferences?

You're really quick to dismiss Lake's comments as non-factual. Here is your chance to set the record straight.

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Originally Posted by NDSUguy

you're really connected to the athletic department. Can you fill us in? What are NDSU's intentions? Publicly the statement has always been that FCS is good and that they like where they are. Have there been discussions with conferences?

You're really quick to dismiss Lake's comments as non-factual. Here is your chance to set the record straight.

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Typically, the party making the assertion (Lakes) bears the responsibility of sourcing his assertion.

wow you guys are idiots.
I laid it out WHY those 2 haven't asked the Mountain West or MAC many times and again right up there 3-4 posts back. strawman argument that PL has ignore him.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

So you are under the impression that the football world--the people that need to know dont know what NDSUs intentions are? You are also under the impression that NDSU hasnt inquired or hasnt been looking for conference affiliations. Is that correct?

Now lets Look at your last sentence. You just answered your own question.

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Look, I wish it weren't so...but I think the impression is largely correct. What else can we go by but the external and internal statements made by ML and DB. I'm an NDSU employee. I've had the chance to sit next to DB at a luncheon and I asked him, point-blank, questions about going FBS while giving my pitch to do so. I like DB. I've always been a fan. But on this issue, I was always politely rebuffed. He signaled no interest in NDSU going FBS, and always had reasons why we can't. And ML seems like a nice guy. I've served on an athletics-related committee in which I asked him point-blank about going FBS while again, giving my pitch to do so. Like DB, he had all the reasons why it can't be done and signaled no indication that any effort has been made to even explore it with other conferences.

Sure, it is possible that conversations were going on behind the scenes all along, even while the public and private statements suggested that there was no interest in FBS. But don't you think it is more likely that all the public and private statements on FBS actually represent the position of NDSU leadership? I don't agree with ML and DB on their lack of perceived need to go FBS, but I think they are decent and honorable people. Therefore, unfortunately, I'm compelled to take them at their word.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

Look, I wish it weren't so...but I think the impression is largely correct. What else can we go by but the external and internal statements made by ML and DB. I'm an NDSU employee. I've had the chance to sit next to DB at a luncheon and I asked him, point-blank, questions about going FBS while giving my pitch to do so. I like DB. I've always been a fan. But on this issue, I was always politely rebuffed. He signaled no interest in NDSU going FBS, and always had reasons why we can't. And ML seems like a nice guy. I've served on an athletics-related committee in which I asked him point-blank about going FBS while again, giving my pitch to do so. Like DB, he had all the reasons why it can't be done and signaled no indication that any effort has been made to even explore it with other conferences.

Sure, it is possible that conversations were going on behind the scenes all along, even while the public and private statements suggested that there was no interest in FBS. But don't you think it is more likely that all the public and private statements on FBS actually represent the position of NDSU leadership? I don't agree with ML and DB on their lack of perceived need to go FBS, but I think they are decent and honorable people. Therefore, unfortunately, I'm compelled to take them at their word.

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my professor friend that was a CHAIR at NDSU said the same thing as you are echo-ing They are scared to death to change the status quo, they are already losing professors, funding etc, they just wanna ride this out as long as they can.

There's a reason why Coach Matt Entz has talked FBS more and Jeremy Jorgenson quit, they know we aint pushing the envelope.

Dean- Retiring
Matt- happy to be here from Stony Brook
Phelps - a yes man, also Stony Brook
Matt Lein - a D3 Augustana guy who was soo giddy about his 1st football road trip to UNI I looked at him and said, this is nothing compared to the FBS games we played and Frisco chill out dude.

not 1 guy with FBS or major D1 backgrounds. why the HELL do you think I've been sounding alarms for last 5 years. we are here now and need to move forward

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

my professor friend that was a CHAIR at NDSU said the same thing as you are echo-ing They are scared to death to change the status quo, they are already losing professors, funding etc, they just wanna ride this out as long as they can.

There's a reason why Coach Matt Entz has talked FBS more and Jeremy Jorgenson quit, they know we aint pushing the envelope.

Dean- Retiring
Matt- happy to be here from Stony Brook
Phelps - a yes man, also Stony Brook
Matt Lein - a D3 Augustana guy who was soo giddy about his 1st football road trip to UNI I looked at him and said, this is nothing compared to the FBS games we played and Frisco chill out dude.

not 1 guy with FBS or major D1 backgrounds. why the HELL do you think I've been sounding alarms for last 5 years. we are here now and need to move forward

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I remain completely gobsmacked that we didn't push for FBS in the wake of the highly publicized Iowa victory (which also highlighted our fans' willingness to travel) and Game Day visits to Fargo. Then another opportunity to make the case came after the 2019 season and the most watched FCS championship ever, with 2.7 million viewers. You sell "high". Our stock was high then. Thinking that doors will be open down the road (should we decide at some point that we want to walk through them), when it was inevitable that we will miss some championships and that fans will lose interest, was a mistake for which we will likely be paying for a long time.

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Originally Posted by NDSUguy

you're really connected to the athletic department. Can you fill us in? What are NDSU's intentions? Publicly the statement has always been that FCS is good and that they like where they are. Have there been discussions with conferences?

You're really quick to dismiss Lake's comments as non-factual. Here is your chance to set the record straight.

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Lakes has made the assertions. Its his job to provide the facts. Considering the amount of lies hes told on this venue I cant believe any one takes him seriously. I have posted many times what GT said in regards to the MWC. Its a matter of public record. ML is just following that lead. IMO.

Its not in my preview to set the record straight in regards to anything related to NDSU unless given permission to do so that isnt already public information. Many times all you have to do is make a call and ask for claifications. So you can take my posts
with a grain of salt if you wish.

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Originally Posted by professorbum

i remain completely gobsmacked that we didn't push for fbs in the wake of the highly publicized iowa victory (which also highlighted our fans' willingness to travel) and game day visits to fargo. Then another opportunity to make the case came after the 2019 season and the most watched fcs championship ever, with 2.7 million viewers. You sell "high". Our stock was high then. Thinking that doors will be open down the road (should we decide at some point that we want to walk through them), when it was inevitable that we will miss some championships and that fans will lose interest, was a mistake for which we will likely be paying for a long time.

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exactamundo!!!!

these aren't lies, we very well can use reason and listen to our sources.

Its depressing and sad that NDSU just continues to do nothing, obviously our Football program will be top of the fcs, so they think that justifies their do nothing ness. Craig Bohl in 2014 said it best "what else was there to do at NDSU" for 6-7 years now , we've keep at the top with zero interest in climbing higher.

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

Look, I wish it weren't so...but I think the impression is largely correct. What else can we go by but the external and internal statements made by ML and DB. I'm an NDSU employee. I've had the chance to sit next to DB at a luncheon and I asked him, point-blank, questions about going FBS while giving my pitch to do so. I like DB. I've always been a fan. But on this issue, I was always politely rebuffed. He signaled no interest in NDSU going FBS, and always had reasons why we can't. And ML seems like a nice guy. I've served on an athletics-related committee in which I asked him point-blank about going FBS while again, giving my pitch to do so. Like DB, he had all the reasons why it can't be done and signaled no indication that any effort has been made to even explore it with other conferences.

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Was this recently? If so, doesn't that contradict what McFeely (Bisonville's most favorite all-time journalist) recently said? I find it odd that ME would openly talk about it if that were the case, but who knows.

I have to admit that I'm a bit surprised that none of the local journalists have commented on the 12-team playoff expansion, although it did just happen Friday. I see about a two-year window now, after which the move-up option will be gone forever. At that point, if we haven't moved up, at least we won't ever have to talk about it again ...

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

Was this recently? If so, doesn't that contradict what McFeely (Bisonville's most favorite all-time journalist) recently said? I find it odd that ME would openly talk about it if that were the case, but who knows.

I have to admit that I'm a bit surprised that none of the local journalists have commented on the 12-team playoff expansion, although it did just happen Friday. I see about a two-year window now, after which the move-up option will be gone forever. At that point, if we haven't moved up, at least we won't ever have to talk about it again ...

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Not weeks-ago recent. But within the last 1 1/2 years or so. And yeah...some things may have changed since then. But I really haven't seen any re-direction of messaging. So, I'm guessing not. I think you're on to something with the window, but I'd say it is much tighter than two years. A year tops is my guess.

A ton has gone down in the last 1.5 years (including the apparently immortal concept of spring FCS FB)

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Originally Posted by Professorbum

Look, I wish it weren't so...but I think the impression is largely correct. What else can we go by but the external and internal statements made by ML and DB. I'm an NDSU employee. I've had the chance to sit next to DB at a luncheon and I asked him, point-blank, questions about going FBS while giving my pitch to do so. I like DB. I've always been a fan. But on this issue, I was always politely rebuffed. He signaled no interest in NDSU going FBS, and always had reasons why we can't. And ML seems like a nice guy. I've served on an athletics-related committee in which I asked him point-blank about going FBS while again, giving my pitch to do so. Like DB, he had all the reasons why it can't be done and signaled no indication that any effort has been made to even explore it with other conferences.

Sure, it is possible that conversations were going on behind the scenes all along, even while the public and private statements suggested that there was no interest in FBS. But don't you think it is more likely that all the public and private statements on FBS actually represent the position of NDSU leadership? I don't agree with ML and DB on their lack of perceived need to go FBS, but I think they are decent and honorable people. Therefore, unfortunately, I'm compelled to take them at their word.

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If you are in the position you say you are did you really think they would be more forth coming when there havent been any overtures from other schools or conferences? I know for a fact many schools wont even take our phone calls to get a game. I know for a fact NDSU has let other athletic directors know we want to be in the conversation if the current teams status quo changes .

What do expect them to do???? Seriously. If youre not wanted what are we supposed to do????? Magic wand????

WE go through this same stupid shit numerous time every year. I dont understand what is so baffling.

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

Was this recently? If so, doesn't that contradict what McFeely (Bisonville's most favorite all-time journalist) recently said? I find it odd that ME would openly talk about it if that were the case, but who knows.

I have to admit that I'm a bit surprised that none of the local journalists have commented on the 12-team playoff expansion, although it did just happen Friday. I see about a two-year window now, after which the move-up option will be gone forever. At that point, if we haven't moved up, at least we won't ever have to talk about it again ...

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ME interviews at the end of the half lead me to believe he doesn't censor what he says much. McFeely is a stir the pot columnist plain and simple.

I don't know what leads you to believe the window to move up is permanently closed in 2 years or less, not sure you can say anything is permanent with NCAA? I can agree that FCS seems to be in this odd limbo period that doesn't look all that appetizing, but NDSU also is on this geographical island so to speak when it comes to FBS and to a point that still matters although that is eroding as years go by.

Truly make this work I think going to have to really send a shock to the FCS (and summit league as schools would have to move all sports to the new FBS conference to get consideration?) unfortunately and end up having top teams from MVFC and Big Sky and maybe even CAA join forces to get into the FBS. Doesn't sound realistic probably isn't but anyway.

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

That’s is correct and correct. You have more faith than me in our boy from the east coast about shopping around. You also seem to believe that he has done serious shopping around and has found nothing. I believe he hasn’t really looked period.

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You base this on what? Gut feeling? Have you talked to anyone at NDSU or is this venue your go to resource?

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Originally Posted by 1998braves64

ME interviews at the end of the half lead me to believe he doesn't censor what he says much. McFeely is a stir the pot columnist plain and simple.

I don't know what leads you to believe the window to move up is permanently closed in 2 years or less, not sure you can say anything is permanent with NCAA? I can agree that FCS seems to be in this odd limbo period that doesn't look all that appetizing, but NDSU also is on this geographical island so to speak when it comes to FBS and to a point that still matters although that is eroding as years go by.

Truly make this work I think going to have to really send a shock to the FCS (and summit league as schools would have to move all sports to the new FBS conference to get consideration?) unfortunately and end up having top teams from MVFC and Big Sky and maybe even CAA join forces to get into the FBS. Doesn't sound realistic probably isn't but anyway.

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Common sense and I’m not alone. The window will close. In fact, the door will slam shut. I'm even OK with the MAC at this point

I completely disagree with the "geographical island" argument. Geography is actually a plus for NDSU for reasons I keep citing – no G5s for miles and miles. If Boise can talk about joining the American …

I don't think a new super-FCS conference to FBS is at all feasible. Like many others, I think the number of FCS move-ups (if any) will be very small, like count-on-one-hand small ...