A new and better FBS thread

First off all, I don't think anyone fully appreciates how messed up the big 12 is right now. They will need a playoff if they want to be part of the big party. They need at least two more schools to make a playoff happen, preferably four. Secondly, they dug themselves a hole with letting schools negotiate their own tier three networks. They need espn to get them out of that mess. Being at espn's feet, the big 12 has to follow and maybe one of the four teams espn brings along is NDSU. Maybe it isn't. Either way, we need to wait and let it happen before making any decision. That is the only conference that makes me excited about moving up. The big ten won't ever happen. The big 12 is in shambles, will be left out of the big show, and we are ESPN's darling. Remote possibility, but a possibility nonetheless. Any other way doesn't do anything for me. $30M a year automatically puts NDSU in a position to build a new stadium. Everything works for everybody.

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Originally Posted by bisonboone11

Why is that chapo? :hide:

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If we were in a nationally recognized powerhouse conference like the MAC or Mountain West, we would be getting a lot more recognition then we are now.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

TSCF it will continue to be treated like mount union's streak

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Pretty sure that this is strike 3 for you.

Is there any reason that I should allow you to post in the football forum anymore? Obviously, it's beneath you. Better post quickly because you are about to become The User Who Could Formerly Post On The Football Forum.

Huh? This is Zero reference to fbs. It's in reference to how espn only looks at the SEC SEC SEC.

Plus I thought mnlonghorn and I and roadwarrior were back down to a 0-0 count after that 1 was closed, we're we wrong to assume that? (Seriously though, in all honesty I've kept it to my thread)

I'm staying in this thread for my fbs takes...please do not bait me in others. Appreciate that.
We can talk PM if you want to get personal as I've taken enough public arrows thanks for listening and thank you tony for this 1 thread to continue.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Huh? This is Zero reference to fbs. It's in reference to how espn only looks at the SEC SEC SEC.

Plus I thought mnlonghorn and I were back down to a 0-0 count after that 1 was closed. (Seriously I've kept it to my thread)

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Not seeing any reason to aggravate people (including me) by letting you turn every thread in the "The FCS is beneath me and everything NDSU accomplishes is worthless and let me tell you for the 1000th time why" board especially seeing as how you have a thread where you can go for that.

I'm sorry you feel that way about NDSU football. It's too bad you can't enjoy NDSU's success. I suggest you find an FBS board.

When any of you move up right now pud pounders know of a conference that wants to expand, wants NDSU to join and is in our foot print let us know ok?

I have confined it to this thread here tony. Seriously. This is good conversation and I appreciate the back and forth honestly. Of course I love our success and I want more it's an addiction. My mount union post had nothing to do with fbs. It was about how espn is basically. SEC - ESPN lately ignoring the streak

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I have confined it to this thread here tony. Seriously. This is good conversation and I appreciate the back and forth honestly. Of course I love our success and I want more it's an addiction. My mount union post had nothing to do with fbs. It was about how espn is basically. SEC - ESPN lately ignoring the streak

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Just so we're absolutely clear, I am done coming to this board and reading post and post from you denigrating everything NDSU has accomplished because it means nothing to you. I've heard it 1000 times before and it's not becoming any more readable.

And that goes for this thread too. I'm fine "Here's why the FBS would be great" but if your only argument is that the FCS sucks then find another board.

I LOVE NDSU (I left you a pm and I apologize publicly here to you) I LOVE THIS PLACE SO MUCH that I think we can compete in the big 12 and I'm coming from the angle of top 100 University academically and I'd LOVE to see us grow. We all want to grow right?

(Thanks tony. See PM) have a good week im gonna ease up but I LOVE NDSU

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Originally Posted by bisonaudit

I haven't spent more than 3 consecutive days in Fargo in well over a decade, and I think, at this time, moving up is not the correct thing for NDSU Football.

The juice isn't worth the squeeze at the next level in the current structure. All the benefits would go to administrators and none to the program.

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Jesus Christ. After we QUAD, WHAT IS THE POINT OF STAYING? We are not amongst our peers anymore. Don't we want a new dream and challenge? Why the hell cannot NDSU be a power in BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL in 30 years??? Well, it starts with moving up and accepting the challenge of winning a non BIG 5 conference and going from there.

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Originally Posted by admin

Not seeing any reason to aggravate people (including me) by letting you turn every thread in the "The FCS is beneath me and everything NDSU accomplishes is worthless and let me tell you for the 1000th time why" board especially seeing as how you have a thread where you can go for that.

I'm sorry you feel that way about NDSU football. It's too bad you can't enjoy NDSU's success. I suggest you find an FBS board.

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NDSU is going to rewrite the history books when we QUAD. I and El Chapo and others are enjoying the success. But seriously, don't you want the program and university to challenge itself? Don't you want NDSU to play the BEST TEAMS in the country? Are not you tired of NDSU being the best small time program in the country? There is no reason why NDSU cannot be a top 20 college football program within thirty years. Let's stop with "the cannot do" attitude." Same bullshit that was spoken by the D 2 proponents ten years ago.

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Originally Posted by Strongman

Jesus Christ. After we QUAD, WHAT IS THE POINT OF STAYING? We are not amongst our peers anymore. Don't we want a new dream and challenge? Why the hell cannot NDSU be a power in BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL in 30 years??? Well, it starts with moving up and accepting the challenge of winning a non BIG 5 conference and going from there.

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Wanting something is not sufficient. The conditions have to be right in order to make it work.

Even if there is really no point in staying (which I'm not willing to grant) you've still got to have someplace better to go to. That place probably doesn't exist at the moment and the path to get there certainly does not.

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Originally Posted by Strongman

NDSU is going to rewrite the history books when we QUAD. I and El Chapo and others are enjoying the success. But seriously, don't you want the program and university to challenge itself? Don't you want NDSU to play the BEST TEAMS in the country? Are not you tired of NDSU being the best small time program in the country? There is no reason why NDSU cannot be a top 20 college football program within thirty years. Let's stop with "the cannot do" attitude." Same bullshit that was spoken by the D 2 proponents ten years ago.

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This is simply false. 10 years ago there were absolutely no reason to stay in D-II, we couldn't spend the money we had, the only question was whether we could raise enough to compete at the next level. There was a viable path for the transition, the University did their diligence and decided we could raise the money, and we have.

I don't think that any of those things are true today.

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Originally Posted by Strongman

NDSU is going to rewrite the history books when we QUAD. I and El Chapo and others are enjoying the success. But seriously, don't you want the program and university to challenge itself? Don't you want NDSU to play the BEST TEAMS in the country? Are not you tired of NDSU being the best small time program in the country? There is no reason why NDSU cannot be a top 20 college football program within thirty years. Let's stop with "the cannot do" attitude." Same bullshit that was spoken by the D 2 proponents ten years ago.

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Did elcheapo hack your account?

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Originally Posted by Strongman

Jesus Christ. After we QUAD, WHAT IS THE POINT OF STAYING? We are not amongst our peers anymore. Don't we want a new dream and challenge? Why the hell cannot NDSU be a power in BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL in 30 years??? Well, it starts with moving up and accepting the challenge of winning a non BIG 5 conference and going from there.

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Has any conference invited NDSU to join them?????? No that's correct. So how does NDSU move up?

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Originally Posted by Strongman

Jesus Christ. After we QUAD, WHAT IS THE POINT OF STAYING? We are not amongst our peers anymore. Don't we want a new dream and challenge? Why the hell cannot NDSU be a power in BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL in 30 years??? Well, it starts with moving up and accepting the challenge of winning a non BIG 5 conference and going from there.

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I would argue after winning the quad is exactly the wrong time to move. Success on the field is not a pre-requisite to move up and moving up after a successful run gives the program an inflated impression of fan support. There are a ton of band wagon fans on board right now. Hell we have Sioux fans showing up to the games because we are good and interesting. Remember the days that we used to worry about the deer opener and how no one would show up? Those disappeared when we started winning championships, however there is no indication that those days won't return when we have less than great years. Show me that through the down years that the fan base still stays strong then come talk to me...

Here is my opinion, there is a large percentage of NDSU football fans are interested in seeing a team win national championships. There are people on this board who say that, people who just by participating on a message board are more fanatical than your average rube. If there is a sizable group on the board, the numbers amongst the average fanbase are higher. And make no mistake, if we move up with the big boys, we will never, ever sniff a national championship again.

I love ndsu football and its as good as it gets there is no doubt....id rather stay where we are then play in detroit in december....and we dont have the backing to move up or the invite to move up to the top p5 conferences so i stay here

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Originally Posted by unbison

I love ndsu football and its as good as it gets there is no doubt....id rather stay where we are then play in detroit in december....and we dont have the backing to move up or the invite to move up to the top p5 conferences so i stay here

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This^^^^^^^^^ for right now!

People talk about quads and this and that. How about talk about this when a conference actually says they want to expand? Only conference that wants to do that is the Sun Belt and I think most here can agree that doesn't work well for either party.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

People talk about quads and this and that. How about talk about this when a conference actually says they want to expand? Only conference that wants to do that is the Sun Belt and I think most here can agree that doesn't work well for either party.

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Well it is the "move to FBS thread".... One would suspect they would talk about that subject here.. I contend that even if there was an interest from a conference, a large percentage of NDSU fans would not be interested.

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Originally Posted by JMB

Well it is the "move to FBS thread".... One would suspect they would talk about that subject here.. I contend that even if there was an interest from a conference, a large percentage of NDSU fans would not be interested.

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At least then there would be some actual tangible news to talk about and not just flinging stuff at the wall.

If people want to talk about NDSU joining the Sun Belt, well I guess you could talk about it. They want another team, oddly though none of the move up people want to talk about the only conference looking to expand. Instead they would just rather babble on and on about the same talking points...then the anti move up people fire back with the same talking points. It is like Groundhogs day.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

At least then there would be some actual tangible news to talk about and not just flinging stuff at the wall.

If people want to talk about NDSU joining the Sun Belt, well I guess you could talk about it. They want another team, oddly though none of the move up people want to talk about the only conference looking to expand. Instead they would just rather babble on and on about the same talking points.

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Stranger still, some people "not interested" will continue to monitor said conversation.

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Originally Posted by No_Skill

Stranger still, some people "not interested" will continue to monitor said conversation.

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So its pretty much like every other thread here. Argument, counter-argument, repeat with a couple of snarky comments thrown in?

Thought I would check in to this thread after ignoring it for two weeks. Same shit, hasn't missed a beat!

Haven't been following this closely. It is neither new nor better.
You tried Tony.

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Originally Posted by JMB

I would argue after winning the quad is exactly the wrong time to move. Success on the field is not a pre-requisite to move up and moving up after a successful run gives the program an inflated impression of fan support. There are a ton of band wagon fans on board right now. Hell we have Sioux fans showing up to the games because we are good and interesting. Remember the days that we used to worry about the deer opener and how no one would show up? Those disappeared when we started winning championships, however there is no indication that those days won't return when we have less than great years. Show me that through the down years that the fan base still stays strong then come talk to me...

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Really good post. I was in school not that long ago when we won 2 games in a season. Who's to say that can't happen again?

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

It is like Groundhogs day.

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Ever read the back of a shampoo bottle? It says lather, rinse repeat? You know there are still some idiots in the shower, here's your sign! - Bill Engvall. Guess we're all idiots for checking this thread hoping something has changed. I think of this stupid line every time I read this thread.

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Originally Posted by natstar1

Really good post. I was in school not that long ago when we won 2 games in a season. Who's to say that can't happen again?

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Hey lets not go too overboard...it happened once.

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Originally Posted by JMB

So its pretty much like every other thread here. Argument, counter-argument, repeat with a couple of snarky comments thrown in?

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You're forgetting about the personal attacks.

I am not sure why anyone is butt hurt over what is going on in this thread. It could be more appropriately named the Lakes Containment Thread, but it is what it is. The one exception is, like Tony said, is if you are going to hate on the Bison over and over, because that gets more tiresome than the repetitive we need to move up business.

I, for one, have said I will only favor the move up for one conference, the big 12. Since that probably ain't happening, I am not in favor of moving up. Therefore, I am not willing to discuss the Sun Belt. This thread was about containing FBS discussion and now people want to get all stupid about FBS discussion? Avoid the thread. With the exception of Tony's issue, which I agree with, the containment was exactly what everyone wanted, what everyone pretty much got, so no one can go back and complain about FBS content. That's just stupid.

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There is no hate, just pointing out like coach Bohl said. "We've reached the limit of what NDSU can be right now" (and what Saul/Gene were thinking). Doesn't that make any of you a tad worried about complacency? And what the future holds? 3 titles and Big Dance win are the summit, we've reached it, so time to look for a bigger challenge.
this is a thread for the future and the future is now, there's no reason to get all worked up, myself and others are voicing our opinions and we are keeping FBS talk to this thread. Be happy

That's not what Bohl said. He wasn't talking about NDSU but rather what he and his staff had accomplished.

Bohl won't hesitate to accept a P5 offer regardless of his record at Wyoming.

Find out if it's financially feasible. If so, find out of it is sustainable to maintain financial feasibility after bad years. I'm sure people are either doing this, or have done it.

I'd like to see it happen. It would be nice to see some bigger names in Fargo. On the other hand, if it isn't realistic, FCS is fine.

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Originally Posted by td577

I am not sure why anyone is butt hurt over what is going on in this thread. It could be more appropriately named the Lakes Containment Thread, but it is what it is. The one exception is, like Tony said, is if you are going to hate on the Bison over and over, because that gets more tiresome than the repetitive we need to move up business.

I, for one, have said I will only favor the move up for one conference, the big 12. Since that probably ain't happening, I am not in favor of moving up. Therefore, I am not willing to discuss the Sun Belt. This thread was about containing FBS discussion and now people want to get all stupid about FBS discussion? Avoid the thread. With the exception of Tony's issue, which I agree with, the containment was exactly what everyone wanted, what everyone pretty much got, so no one can go back and complain about FBS content. That's just stupid.

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So what you are saying is FBS fever is like Ebola, and we need to keep it quarentined, although occasionally we pull a Nancy Snyderman and choose to ignore it?

Would we need to add sports to join the MWC? I see they have swimming and diving and tennis. Big 12 has a lot more sports than we offer.

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Originally Posted by JMB

So what you are saying is FBS fever is like Ebola, and we need to keep it quarentined, although occasionally we pull a Nancy Snyderman and choose to ignore it?

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by natstar1

Would we need to add sports to join the MWC? I see they have swimming and diving and tennis. Big 12 has a lot more sports than we offer.

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1.2 Minimum Sports Sponsorship. Each member institution shall field varsity teams in football, women’s volleyball, men’s and women’s basketball, one women’s team sport and additional men’s and women’s sports as prescribed by the NCAA to maintain Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) membership.
http://mwc-platform.silverchalice.co...b035ff58288f19

Division I member institutions have to sponsor at least seven sports for men and seven for women (or six for men and eight for women) with two team sports for each gender. Each playing season has to be represented by each gender as well. There are contest and participant minimums for each sport, as well as scheduling criteria. For sports other than football and basketball, Division I schools must play 100 percent of the minimum number of contests against Division I opponents -- anything over the minimum number of games has to be 50 percent Division I. Men's and women's basketball teams have to play all but two games against Division I teams; for men, they must play one-third of all their contests in the home arena. Schools that have football are classified as Football Bowl Subdivision (formerly Division I-A) or NCAA Football Championship Subdivision (formerly Division I-AA). Football Bowl Subdivision schools are usually fairly elaborate programs. Football Bowl Subdivision teams have to meet minimum attendance requirements (average 15,000 people in actual or paid attendance per home game), which must be met once in a rolling two-year period. NCAA Football Championship Subdivision teams do not need to meet minimum attendance requirements. Division I schools must meet minimum financial aid awards for their athletics program, and there are maximum financial aid awards for each sport that a Division I school cannot exceed.
http://www.ncaa.org/about/who-we-are...classification

The catch was is and will always be the following:

1.02 Admission of New Members. Upon the affirmative vote of three-fourths (3/4) or more of the members of the Conference’s board of directors (the “Board of Directors”), an institution of higher education which meets the qualifications set forth in the Articles of Incorporation and these bylaws may be admitted as a new Member.
http://mwc-platform.silverchalice.co...b06a01d0971337

Thus an invite

I haven't read the entire thread but are there actually people thinking we go Big 12???

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Originally Posted by Honeybooboo

I haven't read the entire thread but are there actually people thinking we go Big 12???

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No. They said they would consider a move up IF there was a Big 12 invite.