Ill offer you the opportunity to withdraw the argument now... you're just not gonna win!Quote:
Originally Posted by OhFourGopher
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Ill offer you the opportunity to withdraw the argument now... you're just not gonna win!Quote:
Originally Posted by OhFourGopher
Maybe as a % of population or school size, yes maybe. But as someone who has witnessed both Iowa and NDSU "take over" the dome, I can assure that Iowa travels in much larger numbers. It isn't even close on face value, and when you factor in the fact that UM ticket holders do not care at all about NDSU and that Iowa is their biggest rival, it speaks volumes. Those Hawkeyes travelQuote:
Originally Posted by Bison Dan
Wisconsin also did a good job of filling the dome. Not like Iowa, but again, I've never seen anything like that last dome game in my life.
I hear people from Iowa just take over handicap bathroom stalls.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnriverbison
OK, OK--maybe Kill will get you guys headed in the right direction. I think we have something between 9K and 10K season ticket holders. Remember, we are just an FCS team. We can't compete attendence-wise with Big 10 schools--no way, no how!Quote:
Originally Posted by OhFourGopher
Can you actually "tailgate" (using our mutual, generally accepted definition) at the fairgrounds
What argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by gotts
I said that Gopher Fans didn't show up because the team sucked. It's embarassing.
I asked why the Bison fans didn't show up for multiple games either. Seems like a fair question.
that's the game I was at! I saw a lot of drunken shenanigans that night in the Iowa-dominated cheap seats and even I was shocked to read the details of that story. Legendary stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by HandoEX
Wasn't really comparing attendence, just percentage of capacity. But I imagine the Fargo Dome is one of the bigger venues in the conference. Gopher fans come now for the novelty of the new stadium for the big games, but that definitely wore out fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
There are quite a few people that tailgate in every sense of the word at the fairgrounds. $10 gets you in I think.
I drank out of a gigantic plastic cup at the private lot I used to have a spot in, and we never got in trouble. I have no idea what the Day's Inn security will be like though.
Iowa fans are the the worst fans in the Big 10, no question. I actually think it's mostly the Iowa fans that live in the MSP area that cause the most problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnriverbison
That's what we have to do in the westlot of the Fargodome:hide: so as not to get arrested, even though the Fargo law enforcement patroling the lot know that we have alcohol in the cups--kinda like a don't ask/don't tell policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhFourGopher
Thanks for the info on tailgating. I'll save my smack for next fall. Just hope Kill doesn't get his team heading in the right direction before our game.
Our metro area isn't 60 times the capacity of our stadium, just sayin...Quote:
Originally Posted by OhFourGopher
Simple answer, deer hunting.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhFourGopher
There were plenty of fans for the majority of the games.Quote:
Originally Posted by gotts
That's a big issue with Gopher Games too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ndbj52
To see the novelty of a 2 year old stadium?Quote:
Originally Posted by OhFourGopher
Dude I live here and this town is full of people who do not care at all about college athletics. Of those that do, a lot of them went to other major FBS schools. Comparing the geographic distribution of UM alums to NDSU alums in their markets and out is apples to oranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by gotts
I know a lot of Michigan State alums from work in MSP. It's just reality here. It is very rare for a huge FBS school to be in a major metro area where a lot of "visiting" fans have relocated. Not a lot of NDSU or UM grads live in East Lansing.
Dude, its like not about distribution, its like about volume man!Quote:
Originally Posted by mnriverbison
I was talking about Bison attendance having 17,000-18,000 for most of the games in response to you not having enough fans to fill the Fargo Dome.Quote:
Originally Posted by gotts
Honestly after a 3-8 season last year we did pretty good....alot better than I thought especially with the up and down year. I expect this year to be better as the playoff run was a good sign of things to come.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhFourGopher
Good question. Might have something to do with deer opener and thanksgiving holiday.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhFourGopher
That's fair. I think Minnesota's attendance was hit in a similar way after a 1-9 start to the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by tjbison
Exactly. Those things happen in Minnesota too. The attendence is not all that different for the two schools. Fans show up for the big games, and during winning streaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by gotts
Good, glad that is settled.
So to be clear-
-Everyone hates UND so be civil.
-If you want to do real tailgaiting, the 2 mile shuttle from the fair is where the Bison party is at.
-If not, Sally's.
Did I miss anything?
I grew up in the twin cities before I came to ND for college and work, so I definitely know how apathetic people can be down there towards the Gophers.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnriverbison
I witnessed that collapse at the dome in 2004 against Michigan, talk about an all time bashing from the fans and media!
Yes, you did! Is Sally's like my wife (Sally happen's to be my wife's name btw)--a money sponge where you have to "purchase" alcohol and food, or is it a "tailgating" scene?Quote:
Originally Posted by mnriverbison
That was 2003, and it was horrible. That year also proves how hungry the fan base is for a winner. There were 65,000 excited fans for that game. 2004 was a heart breaker in Ann Arbor.Quote:
Originally Posted by gotts
That's my whole point here too...trying to avoid dropping $200 on booze & food at a pre-game bar or tent, when $75 worth of food & booze will be more than enough at a tailgating scene for my wife and I.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
Sallys Tent.
Its Free To Enter. $5 Beers, A Spot For Every Ndsu To Fill It Up!!
I'm pretty sure that shuttle is free from the fairgrounds. If it is where I think it is, it is grass as well. I had grass down in Aimes a couple years ago and I think it is the only way to go on a nice day like that was.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
Sally's is a bar. I've picked up from this thread that Sally's will be where the NDSU party is for people who don't want to deal with the tailgating situation.
I for one don't mind the fairground option because with the game and transit being almost 4 hours and they letting you have 4 hours after the game it will be a lot of fun and you can find someone to sober up over the course of almost 8 hours.
Funny. I was in Chub's bar in Fargo watching that game during NDSU homecoming that year. To a person every NDSU fan was cheering for the Gophers.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhFourGopher
Looks like I will be loading up a stiff drink to have the whole day while I walk around and party with other people ala Lincoln. Ditch the drink before the game, walk to hotel after, refill and then get on the bus again. Works for me.
I thought it was bad when we played the Gophers in 06 and almost every place we stopped for a drink that Friday night told us they hoped we would win so Mason would get fired. I thought to myself these are fans??Quote:
Originally Posted by OhFourGopher
I've been a Gopher fan as far back as I can remember. I can sort of remember cheering for QB Sandy Stephens when the Gophers last won the Rose Bowl. However, with a few exceptions, the state of Gopher football has been horrible for the past 40 years. It's no wonder that the real diehard Gopher fans are those 80 year old guys with those ragged old Gopher jackets.
I got two degrees from NDSU in the early 1980's and then I cheered for NDSU and the Gophers at the same time when we were DII. However, once we went DI, it has become much more difficult to cheer for both teams. For the first time ever, I actually cheered against the Gopher was in 2006 when we played in the dome. I remember telling the Gopher fans around us at the game that we were there to help them get Glen Mason fired and they were instantly our buddies. We had a great time at the game.
I feel sorry for Gopher football fans but this will continue on forever as long as they are the second most favorite football team in the cities. What do Columbus, OH, Ann Arbor, MI, Madison, WI, and Lincoln, Neb all have in common? None of these cities have professional football teams to compete with their local university football teams.
I was going to say teams that win??? but also Ohio has MANY storied programs within short driving distance and Pro teams in Pittsburgh, Philly, Cincy, Cleveland, Indy, Buffalo etc... There is no reason in Minnesota that the Gophers if they really put some money on the table and got a good coach couldn't be a top B10 program.....I mean if Iowa, Wisconsin and Nebraska can do it why can't MN?? I repeat I don't think Jerry Kill is the answer, Big Ten and the MAC are 2 extremely different leaguesQuote:
Originally Posted by KC Bison
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Originally Posted by tjbison
So if they made say a Rich Rodriguez or Tubby Smith type hire that's all it would take?
That isn't always the answer. I think they lucked into Kill, but that hire is as good as the hires made by Miami or Michigan this past year. And better than recent hires made by MN, MICH, or even USC. There is never any guarantee, but at least Kill has a track record of winning. He is also 2-3 against the Big Ten, all road games. Most Big Ten coaches aren't that close to .500 on the road in conference.
No but a good coach will help bring in kids of a higher profile, Mason and Brewster just didn't have it, I think Mason had a little more positive Personality than that moron Brewster, and we have a nice little record against the B10, B12 and MAC, doesn't mean Bohl would make a good hire in the FBSQuote:
Originally Posted by mnriverbison
Agreed on most, but in reality if high-profile coaches aren't going to Michigan or USC or Miami, they sure as hell aren't going to Minnesota.Quote:
Originally Posted by tjbison
Besides, that isn't what it takes. Most coaches work their way up. So yes the competition gets tougher the higher you get, but the cream rises. Jim Tressel is a great example. Now OSU has major built-in advantages, but all would agree that he has done great.
I actually think Bohl could do alright in the FBS in the right situation, I just don't see him leaving the good thing he has here.
I agree. I don't think he'll leave until he gets the Tressel type of offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnriverbison
are you comparing tressel to bohl? even @ the fcs level bohl isn't even close to tressel! bohl will never be the head @ a helmet school!Quote:
Originally Posted by EndZoneQB
No, Bohl doesn't cheat and he gets to coach the first three games next season. What's Timmy B. up to these days btw??!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by goldenshower
Actually Tressel is out the first 5 gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127