A new and better FBS thread

The only way we are getting an invite to any conference is by which conference ESPN makes send out an invite. That simple. They are the only ones right now buying into NDSU hard. Boise had the blue field, NDSU has Fargo. They see that as a national draw. People are enamored with everything Fargo right now. I don't know how long this wave lasts, but the reality is ESPN keeps sticking their toes in the water not because of the local media market but to see if there is a national draw, like a Boise State.

It's tough to tell without going full Bison on this. Espn3 is really about die-hard football fans and they are probably choosing the MAC game over a MVFC game if they are head to head. If there was a national broadcast, would NDSU draw the casual fan? Boise State does mostly because of the time they are willing to play. There are so many things that have to try out to even know what could work and no one has the time or money to let it all play out.

We may never know and not because it couldn't happen but rather because it won't happen.

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FBS WILL NOT CHANGE ACCORDING TO COLORADO STATE PRES . NDSU NEEDS TO ASSUME NOTHING WILL CHANGE:

People have wondered whether now is a good time to invest in a stadium given concerns about football, attendance trends, and changes within the NCAA. Although my roles on the Mountain West Conference Board and a couple of other responsibilities related to college football nationally give me a bit of insight into these issues.

Having said that, I have my personal beliefs that (to my mind) are consonant with likely outcomes. I think football will continue to be played as a competitive sport, including the intercollegiate level, and I believe it will continue to be immensely popular. I think fluctuations in attendance have more to do with pricing and technology than popularity, and I believe that competitive teams in a modern venue will draw fans to games. I don't see any historical or projected evidence this won't be true at CSU if we field competitive teams. The projected demographic changes for Northern Colorado would also argue that we are not competing for a static audience, and I think that will provide additional opportunities. I believe that the FBS (Football Bowl Subdivision) structure will remain intact, and I think the College Football Playoff structure adds to this stability.

While NCAA autonomy changes could make competition for schools outside the Resource 5 conferences a bit more complex, I don't see these changes as being substantially greater than discrepancies that already exist and against which we are already competing. On this topic, I think having a facility capable of substantial expansion but also capable of serving the campus well in its present form is an important way to preserve options well into the future for those who will be entrusted with the responsibility of caring for this university after our time has passed. And I do feel that an appropriate on-campus facility capable of sustaining lacrosse, soccer, commencements, convocations, and the like has much more to do with the culture of our campus community than simply football.

Remember this article? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...h-dakota-state

If anybody thinks post #202 makes the case for moving up, they are wrong. It says exactly the opposite. It says we are at the 2nd level of college football which is where we can be truly successful and that the first level isn't going to change.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Having said that, I have my personal beliefs that (to my mind) are consonant with likely outcomes. I think football will continue to be played as a competitive sport, including the intercollegiate level, and I believe it will continue to be immensely popular. I think fluctuations in attendance have more to do with pricing and technology than popularity, and I believe that competitive teams in a modern venue will draw fans to games. .

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I was just like, wow El Lakes can make sense even if I don't agree with all of his points. Then I realized he was quoting the CSU official. :facepalm:

Of course he's going to do his best to make sure that FBS stays intact including spinning it to his own fan base so they will donate for a new stadium which is what that seems to be the item is written about. Because the G5 don't want to be in "2nd" tier level. Anyone paying attention to college football knows that likely is still in the air at this point.

At least you brought something new and substantial to table. Kudos. Keep it up!
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Originally Posted by 1998braves64

Of course he's going to do his best to make sure that FBS stays intact including spinning it to his own fan base so they will donate for a new stadium which is what that seems to be the item is written about. Because the G5 don't want to be in "2nd" tier level. Anyone paying attention to college football knows that likely is still in the air at this point.

At least you brought something new and substantial to table. Kudos. Keep it up!
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They could very easily keep all 10 FBS conferences in place just like they are now. The problem that looms is how they deal with the "Playoff" going forward. Four teams is the only structure that ensures even minor relevance for the Bowls. That's a huge "Catch-22" because a 4 team playoff leaves out a minimum of at least one P5 Champion and expanding the field to even 8 teams destroys the rest of the Bowls without offering any assurances to the G5 conferences of getting a team into the field. The term "Dying on the Vine" comes to mind. The G5 become the walking dead at that point.

The Big 5? Pretty soon is will be known as the BIG ONE---THE SEC. IF the SEC can get their dream three teams: Florida State, Oklahoma and Texas, they pretty much have a corner on big time college football. 3/4 of the top ranked teams are from the SEC. How absurd is that.

Check out these FCS teams in the top 25

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Charleston Southern
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Alcorn State
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Tennessee State

WOW .. depressing.

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Originally Posted by Strongman

The Big 5? Pretty soon is will be known as the BIG ONE---THE SEC. IF the SEC can get their dream three teams: Florida State, Oklahoma and Texas, they pretty much have a corner on big time college football. 3/4 of the top ranked teams are from the SEC. How absurd is that.

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Not quite as absurd as what the MVFC is doing to FCS.

El Chapo's hometown newspaper tackles the NDSU to FBS question

http://www.wahpetondailynews.com/spo...85c02b00e.html

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

El Chapo's hometown newspaper tackles the NDSU to FBS question

http://www.wahpetondailynews.com/spo...85c02b00e.html

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Idaho is in the Sun Belt. CSU, Air Forice, and Wyoming are farther east than the Montanas so point 1 is moot. If the MWC really wanted us they would come after us. Location is important but not a huge deal. His point 2 about needing a bigger stadium no we wouldnt. We average larger crowds then some FBS teams already. Not saying we should move up, just pointing out somethings that people are wrong on.

I concur.

the new AD not having any FBS experience whatsoever is now the biggest hurdle.
(heck he doesn't have AD experience period)

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

El Chapo's hometown newspaper tackles the NDSU to FBS question

http://www.wahpetondailynews.com/spo...85c02b00e.html

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I thought you were from Paynesville?

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Originally Posted by ndsubison1

Idaho is in the Sun Belt. CSU, Air Forice, and Wyoming are farther east than the Montanas so point 1 is moot. If the MWC really wanted us they would come after us. Location is important but not a huge deal. His point 2 about needing a bigger stadium no we wouldnt. We average larger crowds then some FBS teams already. Not saying we should move up, just pointing out somethings that people are wrong on.

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Something everyone needs to remember. NDSU could join FBS as a Football only and not skip a beat anywhere else and continue with the summit....however the mountain west in other sports would be a great step up for our non football teams.

lets say NDSU joins the MAC as a Football Only... thats 5-6 home games and ONLY 5 trips to (Northern Illinois, Western Mich, Central Mich, Ball State, Toledo) that wouldnt be that big of a deal, we fly anyways to every school.

Welcome to tuesday night football at the FargoDome. Kick off is set for 9:30 as the second half of the ESPNU double header.

bullshit. that would maybe happen 1 time in like 4 years. big deal.

there is only 3 weeks of MAC TUE/WED games this year.

Central Michigan isnt in any of them...so you dont necessarily get stuck on tue/wed night.

but keep the fear mongering up


http://espn.go.com/college-football/...can-conference


Mid-American - West W-L PF PA W-L PF PA STRK
Toledo 3-0 96 70 4-2 208 197 W3
Northern Illinois 1-0 17 14 4-1 157 118 W1
Central Michigan 1-1 56 52 3-3 127 149 W1
Western Michigan 0-1 19 20 2-3 160 145 L2
Eastern Michigan 0-1 6 31 1-4 54 214 L4
Ball State 0-1 23 34 1-4 110 121 L4

NDSU would win this conference every year!

[QUOTE=El_Chapo;926497]bullshit. that would maybe happen 1 time in like 4 years. big deal.

there is only 3 weeks of MAC TUE/WED games this year.

Central Michigan isnt in any of them...so you dont necessarily get stuck on tue/wed night.

but keep the fear mongering up


http://espn.go.com/college-football/...can-conference


Mid-American - West W-L PF PA W-L PF PA STRK
Toledo 3-0 96 70 4-2 208 197 W3
Northern Illinois 1-0 17 14 4-1 157 118 W1
Central Michigan 1-1 56 52 3-3 127 149 W1
Western Michigan 0-1 19 20 2-3 160 145 L2
Eastern Michigan 0-1 6 31 1-4 54 214 L4
Ball State 0-1 23 34 1-4 110 121 L4

NDSU would win this conference every year![/QUOTE]

So whats the challenge? Whats the upside to moving up? I thought you wanted to reach for the stars and not stagnate?????? It seems we have better competition where we are. And a playoff system.

30 straight wins 38-10 over #11 team. Impossible to find tickets it was boring we didn't even play great on offense!!

Lots of calls on bison rewind pimping fbs new stadium etc. It's time people

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30 straight wins 38-10 over #11 team. Impossible to find tickets it was boring we didn't even play great on offense!!

Lots of calls on bison rewind pimping fbs new stadium etc. It's time people

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Yet, I am laughed off the show again, and ripped by a fellow poster in the GDT thread. I just don't understand why some many consider the current situation "good enough." It is not and NDSU can still do better, and no, I don't think we should immediately move to FBS.

Dude. Your call was great. I'm seriously convinced the ah shucks small time crowd wants to be big dog in small kennel forever and likes being trophy chasers (aka st thomas academy) The dome was quiet as hell today students left when we went up 24-10 & we dominated by not even playing well offensively

Seriously, what is the appeal of moving up to FBS the way it is structured now? So we can play in some crappy 3rd rate Bowl game on a weeknight in a half full stadium in mid December? Yippe!! That would sure make us Big Time!!

Now if there is a shake-up and the Bison and the upper level MVC teams are in a division with Georgia Southern/Ap State/others who recently departed FCS and other non P-5 schools AND we get a playoff system to play for a legit championship?? Then I am all in.


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Seriously, what is the appeal of moving up to FBS the way it is structured now? So we can play in some crappy 3rd rate Bowl game on a weeknight in a half full stadium in mid December? Yippe!! That would sure make us Big Time!!

Now if there is a shake-up and the Bison and the upper level MVC teams are in a division with Georgia Southern/Ap State/others who recently departed FCS and other non P-5 schools AND we get a playoff system to play for a legit championship?? Then I am all in.


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The appeal is playing in a 20 team playoff. 4 teams is going to grow to 8--16--then 20. The Bowl system will be dead within 8 years.

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The appeal is playing in a 20 team playoff. 4 teams is going to grow to 8--16--then 20. The Bowl system will be dead within 8 years.

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64 TEAMS IN THE POWER 5. How many do you think they are going to let in out of their conference?????? NONE!

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The appeal is playing in a 20 team playoff. 4 teams is going to grow to 8--16--then 20. The Bowl system will be dead within 8 years.

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20 teams????? OK......

There are billions of dollars in a 19 game national playoff. The "small" five conferences have more power than you think. Without them and others the NCAA basketball tournament loses its appeal.

BTW, 80% of all ADs polled indicated the playoffs will be expanded within the next 10 years. Nobody in college football believes the current 12 year contract will NOT be broken when there are billions of dollars to be made. The SEC is going to bitch this year if they only have 2 teams or less in playoffs. If that happens, you could have 8 teams within two years.

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There are billions of dollars in a 19 game national playoff. The "small" five conferences have more power than you think. Without them and others the NCAA basketball tournament loses its appeal.

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Different animal.

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There are billions of dollars in a 19 game national playoff. The "small" five conferences have more power than you think. Without them and others the NCAA basketball tournament loses its appeal.

BTW, 80% of all ADs polled indicated the playoffs will be expanded within the next 10 years. Nobody in college football believes the current 12 year contract will NOT be broken when there are billions of dollars to be made. The SEC is going to bitch this year if they only have 2 teams or less in playoffs. If that happens, you could have 8 teams within two years.

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Even if FBS eventually goes to an 8, 16, or 20 team playoff, the Bison and teams like us would not get one of those spots so then what are we left playing for?? A spot in the prestigious Beef O' Brady's Bowl? No thanks!!


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No one knows what is coming, but NDSU needs to be planning a stadium so they are ready for whatever comes.

Espn news channel.207. Tulane ' s new stadium. 40,000 cost $60 million that's all we need

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Espn news channel.207. Tulane ' s new stadium. 40,000 cost $60 million that's all we need

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60 mil for 40k seats would have to be a shit box chapo

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60 mil for 40k seats would have to be a shit box chapo

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Well for Tulane it was $75 million for 30k. Get your facts right Chapo

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Espn news channel.207. Tulane ' s new stadium. 40,000 cost $60 million that's all we need

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Huh you added 10,000 seats and you dropped the cost by $15 million. I see how all this new stadium cost figuring works!! Maybe we should do a 50000 stadium for $45 million.

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Espn news channel.207. Tulane ' s new stadium. 40,000 cost $60 million that's all we need

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Dammit Chapo. You are never consistent with your numbers. Their stadium holds 30,000 and cost 75 million. You're off by just a tad. You're not helping the argument at all when you can't even be consistent with anything.

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Dammit Chapo. You are never consistent with your numbers. Their stadium holds 30,000 and cost 75 million. You're off by just a tad. You're not helping the argument at all when you can't even be consistent with anything.

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If any of you know this guy you there is always some factoring involved in his stories

By the way, how is Georgia Southern doing with their move up? 5-2, and undefeated in the Sun Belt with two close losses to Big 5 opponents. If they win out, they should be ranked in top 25 and play in a decent bowl. Unless NDSU joins the conference (more internet chatter on it) Georgia Southern has positioned itself nicely to get playoff bid when playoffs expand to 16 or 20. (10 conference winners receive automatic bids and top 10 @ large teams.)

Georgia Southern not eligible for a bowl


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Strongman absolutely! !

Ok el_chapo research shows 30,000 for $75 million. .... it looks awesome. That's all we need

Hell 40,000 for. $100 million. If NDSU started fundraising tomorrow and advertised it with a big thermometer showing the fundraising status outside the SHAC.. we could hit it in 1 year


We are freakin 49-2 3 titles when is enough enough?

72-3? 89-3? Cmon man we own this time for a challenge

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By the way, how is Georgia Southern doing with their move up? 5-2, and undefeated in the Sun Belt with two close losses to Big 5 opponents. If they win out, they should be ranked in top 25 and play in a decent bowl. Unless NDSU joins the conference (more internet chatter on it) Georgia Southern has positioned itself nicely to get playoff bid when playoffs expand to 16 or 20. (10 conference winners receive automatic bids and top 10 @ large teams.)

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Good for GSU, glad they are doing well because I like their program. But if you think a playoff selection committee would select a non P5 school for a 20 team playoff field you are delusional. There would be no Cinderella teams in March Madness if it was only a 20 team tournament. The big boys aren't going to share. Why do you think they decided to set their own rules?


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Georgia Southern is conditionally eligible for a bowl game. If there are not enough teams eligible, they are ranked, or a bowl committee wants them. Obviously, only the 2nd or 3rd conditions are possible.