crooked refs

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Originally Posted by houndawg

Not so definite. Watch 63 from the snap to the end of the play. I think that while he's getting up off of #10 he gives him the business, pushing him down while he's trying to get up and stepping over him. What's unusual is that it's normally the guy retaliating who gets the flag.

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But even if that was the case (which is doesn't appear to be), that is not the reason the flag was thrown.

That's giving somebody the business? If so flags would be flying on every play...

After watching the replay of the Austin Richards penalty I have to sak---WTF was that ref thinking. That call was absurd.

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Originally Posted by lakesbison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPGW_81TleI

here you go

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this is probably the same video feed they got in the replay booth ;)

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

After watching the replay of the Austin Richards penalty I have to sak---WTF was that ref thinking. That call was absurd.

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Your whiney and classless for saying that! Sour grapes! Low blow. Let it go! Oh wait so am I!!

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Originally Posted by North Side

this is probably the same video feed they got in the replay booth ;)

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Yeah who needs 5 angles from high quality espn angles when you've got that! Maybe they were so cold that they just wanted to get out of there.

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Originally Posted by gabe

Your whiney and classless for saying that! Sour grapes! Low blow. Let it go! Oh wait so am I!!

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Its not pretty when a talking head snaps. Hows that ignore feature working for you.

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Originally Posted by bisonhp330

I loved how Bohl put it on his show- cant really discuss it because he would be in trouble so him and Phil talk about the replay in the MVC- Bohl talks about how it needs to be done right...cameras, proper protocol- pause...then emphasis on " a competent person in the booth doing reviews".

that would be an indirect zziiiinnnng :bow:

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Props to coach Bohl for saying what needed to be said without actually saying it.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Its not pretty when a talking head snaps. Hows that ignore feature working for you.

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Sorry had to get a cheap shot in before I clicked it. Actually its a legit point and the penalty was bogus.

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Originally Posted by Walkon79

I misunderstood. I thought they moved into the bleachers behind the endzone. The player/fan safety thing would be a host school responsibility, but since they allowed noisemakers I guess that was out the window. By the way, I didn't hear it so much in the second half. Can anyone confirm if they were told to stop or not?

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They announced at least 3 times that artificial noisemakers were not allowed at NCAA games and that did nothing to curb the use. Would it then be permissible by the refs (supposed representatives of NCAA) to enforce this rule?

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Originally Posted by CivilBison96

They announced at least 3 times that artificial noisemakers were not allowed at NCAA games and that did nothing to curb the use. Would it then be permissible by the refs (supposed representatives of NCAA) to enforce this rule?

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If its against the rules then why were they allowed in the game?????

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

If its against the rules then why were they allowed in the game?????

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EWU's admin clearly doesn't care about the rules...

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Originally Posted by mebisonII

Its over. Move on to next year. Dwelling on all the coulda, woulda, shoulda (no shortage of those, of course) will only make you mad and not change anything.

We made it a heck of a lot longer than any of us thought we would after the Miss. State game and the future looks bright for next year.

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This one hurts. I see us talking about it until a day or so after Villanova destroys EWU. That should help ease the pain and we'll move on at that point.

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Originally Posted by No_Skill

This one hurts. I see us talking about it until a day or so after Villanova destroys EWU. That should help ease the pain and we'll move on at that point.

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No it will remind me how we should be playing them in front or a record crowd on espn for the right to go to the national championship game.

Also when their fans were moving to the endzone seats, there was a group of NDSU fans that started to go over as well but were stopped at the track by security. If they can go to those seats to make noise why were we not allowed to as well, they by no means filled the section up?

this play didnt lose us the game. not giving the ball to sigers on that 3rd and 2 lost us the game. instead we did a jensen roll out that never worked in the game. sigers had wide open space, plus with our FB right in front of him. we were starting to establish dominance in the running game. i just dont understand why we went away from our bread and butter.

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Originally Posted by ming01

this play didnt lose us the game. not giving the ball to sigers on that 3rd and 2 lost us the game. instead we did a jensen roll out that never worked in the game. sigers had wide open space, plus with our FB right in front of him. we were starting to establish dominance in the running game. i just dont understand why we went away from our bread and butter.

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Vigen over thought it.

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Originally Posted by CivilBison96

They announced at least 3 times that artificial noisemakers were not allowed at NCAA games and that did nothing to curb the use. Would it then be permissible by the refs (supposed representatives of NCAA) to enforce this rule?

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The officials have no jurisdiction for things like noisemakers.

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Originally Posted by bisonboone11

Just thought I'd point out another "questionable" call by the refs. This one is the personal foul penalty on the Bison player (#63) with about 12:30 left in the 4th quarter with the Bison in easy field goal range and moving the ball. Here is the youtube link. Please notice that the Bison player was tackled after the play. Apparently it's against the rules to be tackled by the opposing team after the play is over. Please notice the EWU player on the ground grabbing the leg of #63 and taking him to the ground. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsG4QKv6KOI

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I don't see anything there that should have been a foul on #63. The only possible legitimate thing would be if he did something before he got up and the umpire was just slow in getting his flag out. If that were the case he still should have seen what the EWU player did and flagged him as well to offset the penalties. Unless there is something there that didn't show up at all on film, this was a missed call.

BTW...others saying the foul should have been on EWU and resulted in a 1st and goal at the 1 are incorrect. This would have been penalized half the distance and the Bison would have had the ball at the 8, 1st and goal.

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Originally Posted by houndawg

I was too good for the line. Look again, bubba, he's ......giving him the business....

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weellll eexxxcuussee mmmmeeee, yoou're majesty!

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Originally Posted by gabe

Yeah who needs 5 angles from high quality espn angles when you've got that! Maybe they were so cold that they just wanted to get out of there.

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Did you call into Heitkamp today?? Some guy said the same thing on there:confused:

The more replays I watch and the more explanations I read the more I think this was a complete f'in joke. Just watched the personal foul on Richards. Wow is all I can say. Three HUGE calls that were wrong (fumble, 3rd down catch, and personal foul). One of them for sure impacted the scoreboard and there is a very good chance the other two did as well.

They have to do better than this.

I havent read the whole thread, I am still on cooling off period, HOWEVER, as neutral as site as possible my butt, red turf, horns going off, cowbells, my god if that would have been at the dome your ass would have been escorted out by security and possibly arrested, could hear all that on TV, and fans moving, the announcer etc, neutral site as possible my achin ass, what a joke. Talk about home field advantage, wheres our home field advantage, ill tell ya, its in the hands of the gestapo that are probably from FARGO and dont give a crap about the Bison, at least their Security supports their team and lets them get away with it. Why do you think more people are going to away games, BECAUSE you can actually GO ENJOY a football game like it should be. Back to topic, poor play calling period lost the Bison this game, not the refs, refs did suck though !!

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Originally Posted by NDB2

weellll eexxxcuussee mmmmeeee, yoou're majesty!

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

After watching the replay of the Austin Richards penalty I have to sak---WTF was that ref thinking. That call was absurd.

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Their famed DT tackled Richards is what it looked like to me. The Pac 10 must have sent us their rejects.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

The officials have no jurisdiction for things like noisemakers.

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So what a minute here, so the refs cannot throw a flag for artificial noisemakers ?? and its all up to the dome nazi's to enforce ?? Or am i way off base here ?? So thats why I kept hearing them all game long on TV ?? Thanx for clarification on this Indy.

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Originally Posted by Bisonfan1

So what a minute here, so the refs cannot throw a flag for artificial noisemakers ?? and its all up to the dome nazi's to enforce ?? Or am i way off base here ?? So thats why I kept hearing them all game long on TV ?? Thanx for clarification on this Indy.

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Correct...noisemakers are not in the football rule book. It would be like asking the officials to make sure nobody snuck in without paying. That's all on game management.

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Originally Posted by perthbison

Their famed DT tackled Richards is what it looked like to me. The Pac 10 must have sent us their rejects.

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Replay official only was from the Pac 10. The on field crew was from the CAA. That should have been their best officials assuming they only got 1 game this weekend.

OK, SOOOO our dome nazis are TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL as I thought. You know rulebooks are a good thing to read, i want to see a copy of dome rules, security handbook, NDSU policies etc. could make for some intersesting reading this winter with the yellow highliter going. Any you boys that have been booted bothered to get some public record publications ? CLINT comes to mind, HERD , Lakes ?? - no first hand knowledge of the rainforest incident. Jeez I will hand it to EWU security to help their team out by letting all the noisemakers slide.

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Originally Posted by Bisonfan1

OK, SOOOO our dome nazis are TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL as I thought. You know rulebooks are a good thing to read, i want to see a copy of dome rules, security handbook, NDSU policies etc. could make for some intersesting reading this winter with the yellow highliter going. Any you boys that have been booted bothered to get some public record publications ? CLINT comes to mind, HERD , Lakes ?? - no first hand knowledge of the rainforest incident. Jeez I will hand it to EWU security to help their team out by letting all the noisemakers slide.

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I don't think their noisemakers had any effect on the game (there wasn't enough of them!!) and I can assure you that our bleachers were way noisier than their noisemakers/cowbells but they couldn't take away the High School bleachers and make us stand on the ground.

I asked the question as I thought the NCAA came out with the no noisemakers and thought that the officials as representatives of the NCAA might have some jurisdiction.

NDSU did things according to the NCAA, EWU didn't. Montana State also did things according the NCAA, EWU is just a bush league school.

Officials are from the CAA. The NCAA did probably send a rep to the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdRyG...watch_response

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Originally Posted by CivilBison96

I don't think their noisemakers had any effect on the game (there wasn't enough of them!!) and I can assure you that our bleachers were way noisier than their noisemakers/cowbells but they couldn't take away the High School bleachers and make us stand on the ground.

I asked the question as I thought the NCAA came out with the no noisemakers and thought that the officials as representatives of the NCAA might have some jurisdiction.

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They sounded pretty loud on the TV and im deaf, point is, if those people would have been at the dome including you or me, we would have been escorted out, this went on all game that I could hear. It most certainly didnt hurt anything for them and added to their atmosphere. We all had cowbells and horns back at dacotah field, watch and listen to the games of the 80's, it helped their home field advantage and their security assisted it by letting it go on, ours would have had you in handcuffs. By the way it sounds cool on the boob tube.

North Dakota State - COWBELLS -- Montana State - SHEEPBELLS -- EWU GayEagles - GAYBELLS on the pretty pink turf

He's down on BOTH...ARGH

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

I don't see anything there that should have been a foul on #63. The only possible legitimate thing would be if he did something before he got up and the umpire was just slow in getting his flag out. If that were the case he still should have seen what the EWU player did and flagged him as well to offset the penalties. Unless there is something there that didn't show up at all on film, this was a missed call.

BTW...others saying the foul should have been on EWU and resulted in a 1st and goal at the 1 are incorrect. This would have been penalized half the distance and the Bison would have had the ball at the 8, 1st and goal.

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Here is something else I questioned during the game...Final drive of EWU....EWU 2 and 10 from 19. PI on NDSU #13. Refs spotted the ball at the 4 yard line. Is this not a case where it should also been half the distance to the goal?

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Originally Posted by BisonCountry

Here is something else I questioned during the game...Final drive of EWU....EWU 2 and 10 from 19. PI on NDSU #13. Refs spotted the ball at the 4 yard line. Is this not a case where it should also been half the distance to the goal?

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Didn't he say the foul occurred in the end zone?

YEA. gene asked the ewu officials about noise makers , they said TOO BAD .

Refs didn't start clock either on one of.those final drive plays.

Dome nazis don't help ndsu, they hinder the fans,crowd.
Not 1 problem in msu, ewu, hell, we.were swearing in ewu securities faces.when they let ewu fans in end zone but not us... if that happened in dome, those thin skinned sissies woulda cuffed all 12 of us down there. Ewu guys just walked away.

Dude, how did Holloway not recover that? lol

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

After watching the replay of the Austin Richards penalty I have to sak---WTF was that ref thinking. That call was absurd.

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it was tough to tell from the replay but it did look like richard put his knee into the back of the defender and then tripped over him.