Matt Entz seems VERY supportive of FBS jump

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Originally Posted by NDSUKurt

It has been widely assumed that Colorado State has been looking to jump to a Power 5 for a while (I know, not a surprise statement). But they have actually done things to help themselves out. They built a new on campus football stadium recently, had a good basketball program going with Tim Miles, scheduled home and home series with Power 5 teams (Arkansas, Vandy, Arizona, Washington State), and have tried to sell themselves as being successful in getting viewers from Denver (which is often debated about the actual success of this claim).

I do think that the Mountain West would no matter what be better than the MAC even if Boise State, San Diego State, Colorado State, or any combo of these left. Besides having better cities to travel to, I believe that most college football fans hold schools in the Mountain West in higher regards than the MAC - I know that I do.

Growing un in Michigan, I can tell you that the directional Michigan schools (Western, Central, Eastern) are not followed by many, and the only time that there was a small movement was when Brian Kelly had Central Michigan winning in the 2000's and when PJ Fleck had Western Michigan play well a few years ago. The rest of the MAC, with the exception of Northern Illinois, was usually just laughed at. The Ohio Schools held no significance at all. In the Mountain West, these schools are often the school for their state (see Wyoming, Boise State, New Mexico, Hawaii) or have a large(r) influence regionally (Air Force).

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They are also a better conference in part because teams like Boise, Colorado State and San Diego are teams recruits want to compete against. They are also games that draw well which adds to the league. And obviously ratings lead to more TV money

If they lost all 3 it could be a trickle down effect

Also the MAC seems to be slowly improving and being more competitive

But I agree rght now the Mountain West is without question better

Regarding the idea of joining the corpse of a MWC without Boise, CSU and San Diego State. Who would take Colorado state and San diego state?
I suppose if the XII takes Houston, Cincinnati and UCF, maybe the american takes 3 west coast teams in Boise CSU and SDSU? I think its possible they make and exception for Boise, but i just dont see it for CSU and SDSU, but who knows how big the ripple effects would be?

But lets say the MWC does lose those programs, Utah state, fresno wyoming etc are still vastly more interesting than the rest of our current conference combined. If you throw in the possibility of adding Montana, Montana state and SDSU, all of the sudden this is extremely exciting MWC.

the MAC is getting better. I would prefer the corpse of the MWC i think though, especially if we can get the montanas and SDSU. But a hell of a lot has to materialize to get ripples down that far.

I would be much happier about MAC if SDSU could come too. Then you'd at least have one other competent program in the conference. anyways... alot of what ifs flying around that need to get sorted out first

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

I found it very interesting that the SEC didnt reach out to UT or OU...

HOW CAN THIS BE?????? I was promised by so many on Bisonville, who tell me that they are much smarter and better human beings than me, that there is no benefit to being proactive in soliciting invites from other conferences!!! They promised me that the only way to solicit an invite is to literally do NOTHING! Just sit, silently, and wish upon a star, pinnochio style, that "someday my prince will come!"

I know thats how I got my wife to date me, and then marry me. I literally didnt speak to her, look at her, show her any signs that I was interested. I was just ignoring her completely and then BAM! Married with 3 kids and a white picket fence. worked like a charm

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Cool, can you show me an article talking about these discussions before it was announced? Cause I’ve been told that nothing should happen behind closed doors. If you want something you have to publicly plead for it. One should show no patience and call everyday. If they say no then you tweet about it so all the messages board and tweeter bots have the info

Either Doug is a member of this board or he reads it regularly.
Could North Dakota State be the next target of FBS expansion?

I don't think this was shared yet.

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

I found it very interesting that the SEC didnt reach out to UT or OU...

HOW CAN THIS BE?????? I was promised by so many on Bisonville, who tell me that they are much smarter and better human beings than me, that there is no benefit to being proactive in soliciting invites from other conferences!!! They promised me that the only way to solicit an invite is to literally do NOTHING! Just sit, silently, and wish upon a star, pinnochio style, that "someday my prince will come!"

I know thats how I got my wife to date me, and then marry me. I literally didnt speak to her, look at her, show her any signs that I was interested. I was just ignoring her completely and then BAM! Married with 3 kids and a white picket fence. worked like a charm

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I guarantee you that they had already reached out privately and were told that they have the votes needed to join the conference. I guarantee you that NDSU has done the same thing and, thus far, hasn't had anyone willing to bring us on board.

Having said that NOW is the time to push hard if you are NDSU. AAC/MWC is who I'd be reaching out to with MAC as the 3rd option. Heck, I'd reach out to Big XII even or B1G if Nebraska decides to go back to the XII. Get your name in as many mouths and conversations as possible as early and often as possible.

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Originally Posted by tjamz

I guarantee you that they had already reached out privately and were told that they have the votes needed to join the conference. I guarantee you that NDSU has done the same thing and, thus far, hasn't had anyone willing to bring us on board.

Having said that NOW is the time to push hard if you are NDSU. AAC/MWC is who I'd be reaching out to with MAC as the 3rd option. Heck, I'd reach out to Big XII even or B1G if Nebraska decides to go back to the XII. Get your name in as many mouths and conversations as possible as early and often as possible.

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Agreed. Matt Larson should be a busy boy right now

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Originally Posted by tjamz

I guarantee you that they had already reached out privately and were told that they have the votes needed to join the conference. I guarantee you that NDSU has done the same thing and, thus far, hasn't had anyone willing to bring us on board.

Having said that NOW is the time to push hard if you are NDSU. AAC/MWC is who I'd be reaching out to with MAC as the 3rd option. Heck, I'd reach out to Big XII even or B1G if Nebraska decides to go back to the XII. Get your name in as many mouths and conversations as possible as early and often as possible.

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I agree with everything but the B1G that just isn't happening.

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

Agreed. Matt Larson should be a busy boy right now

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Probably has his feet up on his desk all proud about his comments to Izzo about being in a good position and doing nothing.

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Originally Posted by 23Bison

Probably has his feet up on his desk all proud about his comments to Izzo about being in a good position and doing nothing.

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Hopefully not. This is the moment, dominos are falling.

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

Hopefully not. This is the moment, dominos are falling.

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More like buildings are falling……and they are on fire. G5’s are gonna need a place to stay real soon. Wonder how many more we can fit into the MVFC?

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Originally Posted by SamsRams

More like buildings are falling……and they are on fire. G5’s are gonna need a place to stay real soon. Wonder how many more we can fit into the MVFC?

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FBS teams will do anything they can to avoid dropping down

Not saying it wont happen but moving "up" is easier than moving down to sell a Fan base obviously, unless there is nowhere else to go

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Originally Posted by SamsRams

More like buildings are falling……and they are on fire. G5’s are gonna need a place to stay real soon. Wonder how many more we can fit into the MVFC?

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Were you part of the D2 forever crowd too?

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

I agree with everything but the B1G that just isn't happening.

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I don't think B1G would happen either. I'm just saying I'd be reaching out, getting EVERYONE talking. As Indy and others have eluded to, everyone knows everyone and even the illusion that the B1G/Big XII have a moderate interest puts you in a better spot all around.

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Originally Posted by tjamz

I don't think B1G would happen either. I'm just saying I'd be reaching out, getting EVERYONE talking. As Indy and others have eluded to, everyone knows everyone and even the illusion that the B1G/Big XII have a moderate interest puts you in a better spot all around.

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To quote that great 1980's philosopher Jack Burton:

"WHAT?! You'll never know 'till you try."

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Originally Posted by tjamz

I don't think B1G would happen either. I'm just saying I'd be reaching out, getting EVERYONE talking. As Indy and others have eluded to, everyone knows everyone and even the illusion that the B1G/Big XII have a moderate interest puts you in a better spot all around.

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I agree with everything you have posted. Now's the time to get NDSU in their heads!

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Originally Posted by tjbison

FBS teams will do anything they can to avoid dropping down

Not saying it wont happen but moving "up" is easier than moving down to sell a Fan base obviously, unless there is nowhere else to go

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It’s not about dropping down, it’s about being kicked out. When the power conferences stop scheduling G5 schools their paydays are gone. Maybe I’m wrong and a network shells out big money for tier 2 playoffs. Maybe the nation is clamoring for an Akron vs San Jose State national championship game. But I don’t see it. This is all about money and when their money dries up, they will have to cut back or completely eliminate their football programs

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Originally Posted by SamsRams

It’s not about dropping down, it’s about being kicked out. When the power conferences stop scheduling G5 schools their paydays are gone. Maybe I’m wrong and a network shells out big money for tier 2 playoffs. Maybe the nation is clamoring for an Akron vs San Jose State national championship game. But I don’t see it. This is all about money and when their money dries up, they will have to cut back or completely eliminate their football programs

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Definitely kicks a leg off of their stool. How G5 reshuffles their financials will be interesting.

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Originally Posted by TAILG8R

I agree with everything but the B1G that just isn't happening.

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Ndsu isn't AAU and they are about 9 figures short of making that irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

I agree with everything you have posted. Now's the time to get NDSU in their heads!

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Now, having said that, I don't expect to hear about it publicly just yet. Off the record conversations, talks on the golf course or at conferences... Stuff that never makes it to anyone other than the most trusted people. Never gets leaked.

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Originally Posted by tjamz

I guarantee you that they had already reached out privately and were told that they have the votes needed to join the conference. I guarantee you that NDSU has done the same thing and, thus far, hasn't had anyone willing to bring us on board.

Having said that NOW is the time to push hard if you are NDSU. AAC/MWC is who I'd be reaching out to with MAC as the 3rd option. Heck, I'd reach out to Big XII even or B1G if Nebraska decides to go back to the XII. Get your name in as many mouths and conversations as possible as early and often as possible.

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Nailed it.

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

I agree with everything you have posted. Now's the time to get NDSU in their heads!

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Increase the endowments hugely and bring 10x more market shares and eyeballs they might think about it. This is all about money and the BIG isnt going to act like a charity.
You gotta bring a lot to the table.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Increase the endowments hugely and bring 10x more market shares and eyeballs they might think about it. This is all about money and the BIG isnt going to act like a charity.
You gotta bring a lot to the table.

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Academics too for B1G no?


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Guys, B1G is not happening like ever. This isn't about B1G, SEC, ACC or PAC. It's about getting NDSU in the second tier. We're currently in tier 3 or 4 depending how you look at it.

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

Guys, B1G is not happening like ever. This isn't about B1G, SEC, ACC or PAC. It's about getting NDSU in the second tier. We're currently in tier 3 or 4 depending how you look at it.

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Accurate
Ten char

The TV market for NDSU football should include the entire state, not just the F/M area. Almost all of the games have been televised statewide for several years. If we moved up a level, that interest statewide would increase substantially.

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

Guys, B1G is not happening like ever. This isn't about B1G, SEC, ACC or PAC. It's about getting NDSU in the second tier. We're currently in tier 3 or 4 depending how you look at it.

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Oh it’s happening bro. Lakes is presenting a PowerPoint presentation to them next week.

I would not call the B1G. That makes us seem delusional.

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Oh it’s happening bro. Lakes is presenting a PowerPoint presentation to them next week.

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https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TidyPalatableHamadryad.webp

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Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness

I would not call the B1G. That makes us seem delusional.

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Matt should walk through BIG headquarters like this offering play in games with the Goofs... Iowa...

https://media.tenor.com/images/62ff0...d486/tenor.gif


Then when the commish doesn't take it, walk out like:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/b000...temid=10860525

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Originally Posted by tjamz

I guarantee you that they had already reached out privately and were told that they have the votes needed to join the conference. I guarantee you that NDSU has done the same thing and, thus far, hasn't had anyone willing to bring us on board.

Having said that NOW is the time to push hard if you are NDSU. AAC/MWC is who I'd be reaching out to with MAC as the 3rd option. Heck, I'd reach out to Big XII even or B1G if Nebraska decides to go back to the XII. Get your name in as many mouths and conversations as possible as early and often as possible.

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Big 10 will never happen for small metropolis non AAU schools, never……. If the Big 12 gets pillaged and the need members to stay alive as a G5 conference then NDSU and SDSU are the perfect fit. MWC isn’t going to happen unless they form a central division with schools close to NDSU.

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Originally Posted by MankatoBison

Regarding the idea of joining the corpse of a MWC without Boise, CSU and San Diego State. Who would take Colorado state and San diego state?
I suppose if the XII takes Houston, Cincinnati and UCF, maybe the american takes 3 west coast teams in Boise CSU and SDSU? I think its possible they make and exception for Boise, but i just dont see it for CSU and SDSU, but who knows how big the ripple effects would be?

But lets say the MWC does lose those programs, Utah state, fresno wyoming etc are still vastly more interesting than the rest of our current conference combined. If you throw in the possibility of adding Montana, Montana state and SDSU, all of the sudden this is extremely exciting MWC.

the MAC is getting better. I would prefer the corpse of the MWC i think though, especially if we can get the montanas and SDSU. But a hell of a lot has to materialize to get ripples down that far.

I would be much happier about MAC if SDSU could come too. Then you'd at least have one other competent program in the conference. anyways... alot of what ifs flying around that need to get sorted out first

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Boise St is not going to go to the American, they want a P5 invite. None of the MWC teams will leave unless they get invited to the P5 (PAC12)

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Big 10 will never happen for small metropolis non AAU schools, never……. If the Big 12 gets pillaged and the need members to stay alive as a G5 conference then NDSU and SDSU are the perfect fit. MWC isn’t going to happen unless they form a central division with schools close to NDSU.

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My opinion is Big 12 will survive as an entity but with much different memberships. Oklahoma State is p/o'd about OU leaving and is most certainly looking for another home despite the probability of becoming the big dog in the B12. I suspect there are several B12 schools (namely, WVa, IA State, Baylor, and K-State) doing the same with limited places to go in what will be the new P4. Kansas has zero chance of getting into a strong FB conference.
Problem is Big 12 won't get to stay in the Power conversation very long. I see the P5 becoming P4 with no more than 50-60 members (less shares to split the money pot). The Big 12 will be one of the remaining Division 1 conferences with the P4 giving themselves some other designation that makes it very clear they are top tier "above" simple Division 1 football. From there the long foreseen realignment of top level FCS and most G5 will occur along with low level FCS / D2. As others have stated in various manners, I agree and believe NDSU is on the cusp of its only likely shot at moving up in the college football pecking order. Of course, North Dakota being North Dakota, it is a longshot of getting financial support to make such a move.
This all of this realignment will come a playoff system in the new D1 football world that looks a lot like FCS and most crappy bowl games will go away.

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Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison

Academics too for B1G no?


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I didnt want to pile too much on the plate.

As chair of the playoff expansion committee, Sankey had every opportunity to kick the G5 to the curb. It would have been easy, quick, and totally expected. Instead, he shocked the CFB world and did just the opposite, all while knowing that he was about to form the most powerful CFB conference in history.

Today, he continues to vehemently defend the 12-team, 6-conference championship model he helped create … 6 conference champs, not 4.

Although I understand the appeal, the continued suggestion of a P5/G5 split is delusional. Nobody in FBS wants that, and there will surely be enough playoff $$$ to appease everyone, even ACC powerhouse Wake Forest.

People keep tracking this outcome toward logic and fairness, but that’s not what it’s about at all. It’s entirely about $$$$, and Emmert is about to waive the white flag.

So it really comes down to one question: Are there any teams currently in FCS who really don’t belong here? The honest answer is yes, there is one, maybe 2 or 3. Whether they get a shot will come down – again – to one thing … $$$$$.

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Originally Posted by tjbison

Fargo being the 2021 #114 Media Market is no slouch when compared to other FBS schools, two notable #113- Eugene OR and #115- Lansing MI

one could argue they would draw eyeballs in MN and all of ND probably closer to a top 100 Market in Reality of reach.

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You realize those schools are more closely tied to Portland and Detroit markets since that's where their alumni live and the media in those markets cover those schools heavily. Yes, NDSU has a strong presence in Minneapolis but UM dominates the market and media coverage for obvious reasons.

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Originally Posted by IndyBison

You realize those schools are more closely tied to Portland and Detroit markets since that's where their alumni live and the media in those markets cover those schools heavily. Yes, NDSU has a strong presence in Minneapolis but UM dominates the market and media coverage for obvious reasons.

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NDSU gets zero media coverage down here as would be expected.


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Originally Posted by GreenfieldBison

NDSU gets zero media coverage down here as would be expected.


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I'd disagree with zero coverage. They're mentioned occasionally on kfan when there is some sort of newsworthy item. Not anything major though but not necessarily zero.

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Originally Posted by B.Schlossman Fan Club

Boise St is not going to go to the American, they want a P5 invite. None of the MWC teams will leave unless they get invited to the P5 (PAC12)

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The Money is better in the american. Boise has already stated they would prefer to be in the American right now. But they would definitely take XII>AAC

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Originally Posted by Bisonator98

Guys, B1G is not happening like ever. This isn't about B1G, SEC, ACC or PAC. It's about getting NDSU in the second tier. We're currently in tier 3 or 4 depending how you look at it.

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YUP. 10 char

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Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker

As chair of the playoff expansion committee, Sankey had every opportunity to kick the G5 to the curb. It would have been easy, quick, and totally expected. Instead, he shocked the CFB world and did just the opposite, all while knowing that he was about to form the most powerful CFB conference in history.

Today, he continues to vehemently defend the 12-team, 6-conference championship model he helped create … 6 conference champs, not 4.

Although I understand the appeal, the continued suggestion of a P5/G5 split is delusional. Nobody in FBS wants that, and there will surely be enough playoff $$$ to appease everyone, even ACC powerhouse Wake Forest.

People keep tracking this outcome toward logic and fairness, but that’s not what it’s about at all. It’s entirely about $$$$, and Emmert is about to waive the white flag.

So it really comes down to one question: Are there any teams currently in FCS who really don’t belong here? The honest answer is yes, there is one, maybe 2 or 3. Whether they get a shot will come down – again – to one thing … $$$$$.

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Man I hope you are right. I really really do, but moves like this are done in the darkness and led to mislead people. Oklahoma had every chance to inform the Big12 and their long time conference rival Oklahoma state about their impending move but they never did. It’s my opinion Sankey just dangled the carrot to keep people off their trail. They have the most powerful conference in all of sports and I’m sure in his mind they deserve 6 bids to the playoffs.
Yes it’s about the money, which is why they don’t want the G5. Honest question, do you think the TV contract would be less if it was a playoff that didn’t involve the G5? I don’t and if it’s all about money like we all agree then you should understand that without the G5 in the playoff, they don’t have to share any money with them. The pie would be bigger and less mouths to feed. It’s just seems so blatantly obvious to me, but again I really hope I am wrong.