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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
Herd
Lets face it, NDSU has hit its peak, but FBS games will be impossibleto get going forward. Iowa State will be replaced with Upper Iowa. Our days of battling the mac and mwc for recruits will be gone, as will the days of top 40 teams. Without FBS games, we regress, period.
Absolutely. And we've lost 3 big coaches and an ad as well
So how do we "sell" our lack of money, TV markets, stadium size, geographic location, etc. etc. El Cheapo???? Do tell!
I have said this 5 times now.
Money can be raised, $18mil into $30mil budget is doable creatively & aggressively.
TV markets. State of ND (NW MN)with 50% share is dam good , add FSN for regional.
Stadium size, doable with 22,000-23,000 (creative addition of seats, blow up ticket pride model!)
Geographic location ? WE FLY TO EVERY DAM GAME ALREADY, JESUS CRIPES, EVERYONE FLY's 5 times a year big deal.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
tjbison
Don't ask , logic is slim with this one
I know. Don't know why we all keep getting sucked into this with him. It's like a merry go round!
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
Absolutely. And we've lost 3 big coaches and an ad as well
That also goes back to our lack of money. Thank you for your donations BTW. :facepalm:
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
Absolutely. And we've lost 3 big coaches and an ad as well
My god, so you think the mwc, mac, cusa, don't lose successful coaches? Happens all the damn time
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
Bisonator98
I know. Don't know why we all keep getting sucked into this with him. It's like a merry go round!
I know I'm not a "knowledgeable" poster on every aspect but I'm ready to walk away, this place has be c one everything besides ndsu sports talk. Sad lakes can't see the facts in his message
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
If or when we ever move to FBS, Bisonville, Lakes, and all who post here will have little or no impact on the decision!
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
Absolutely. And we've lost 3 big coaches and an ad as well
So how do we "sell" our lack of money, TV markets, stadium size, geographic location, etc. etc. El Cheapo???? Do tell!
I have said this 5 times now.
Money can be raised, $18mil into $30mil budget is doable creatively & aggressively.
TV markets. State of ND (NW MN)with 50% share is dam good , add FSN for regional.
Stadium size, doable with 22,000-23,000 (creative addition of seats, blow up ticket pride model!)
Geographic location ? WE FLY TO EVERY DAM GAME ALREADY, JESUS CRIPES, EVERYONE FLY's 5 times a year big deal.
lakes step your ass up and donate, I do and my company does...I'm tired of your talk but shit to back it up. I have season tickets, my company does and damn it they are full every game.
y o u don't even go to the games from what hear.....peace out if this is the model we want to follow fine
The real fans and supporters don't listen to this shit
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
tjbison
Don't ask , logic is slim with this one
Nobody divides Bison fans better. Later.
PS. Ever wonder why the other board flamed out? Pretty obvious, eh?
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
tjbison
My god, so you think the mwc, mac, cusa, don't lose successful coaches? Happens all the damn time
He isn't the brightest bulb on the tree. Or the sharpest tool in the shed. I could go on.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
tjbison
lakes step your ass up and donate, I do and my company does...I'm tired of your talk but shit to back it up. I have season tickets, my company does and damn it they are full every game.
y o u don't even go to the games from what hear.....peace out if this is the model we want to follow fine
The real fans and supporters don't listen to this shit
I think he would get his ass kicked if he went. Get in line.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
semobison
If or when we ever move to FBS, Bisonville, Lakes, and all who post here will have little or no impact on the decision!
...but you know some will attempt to take credit.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
HotShot
I think he would get his ass kicked if he went. Get in line.
What are you trying to say?
I've donated plenty, you guys can shout me down all you want. This is the FBS THREAD... I'm obeying the rules, why don't you all grow up a little and stop with the threats and attacks!
Don't like my vision for NDSU. IGNORE IT. DONT POST IN THIS THREAD.
IF YOU WANT YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND IGNORE THAT WE ALREADY DOMINATE THIS DIVISION ....THEN WOW.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
No_Skill
...but you know some will attempt to take credit.
Gee I wonder who.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
What are you trying to say?
I've donated plenty, you guys can shout me down all you want. This is the FBS THREAD... I'm obeying the rules, why don't you all grow up a little and stop with the threats and attacks!
Don't like my vision for NDSU. IGNORE IT. DONT POST IN THIS THREAD.
IF YOU WANT YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND IGNORE THAT WE ALREADY DOMINATE THIS DIVISION ....THEN WOW.
Thought I was on ignore.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
NorthernBison
Nobody divides Bison fans better. Later.
PS. Ever wonder why the other board flamed out? Pretty obvious, eh?
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Originally Posted by
HotShot
He isn't the brightest bulb on the tree. Or the sharpest tool in the shed. I could go on.
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
What are you trying to say?
I've donated plenty, you guys can shout me down all you want. This is the FBS THREAD... I'm obeying the rules, why don't you all grow up a little and stop with the threats and attacks!
Don't like my vision for NDSU. IGNORE IT. DONT POST IN THIS THREAD.
IF YOU WANT YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND IGNORE THAT WE ALREADY DOMINATE THIS DIVISION ....THEN WOW.
You've donated plenty???? This program needs 50 million or more to begin to be competitve at the fbs level, facilities, school is etc.....my god why can't you understand the concept of this
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
NDSU FOOTBALL SELLS I bet they could raise $100 million in 1 year if a concentrated effort was made.
$10 million from scheels Sanford rdo
$5 million from pro seed, bobcat, burgum NDSU student fees.
That's $50million.
1000 donors at $2000/year over 20 years= $40 million.
500 donors at $500/year over 20 years = $10 million.
Bada Bing, Bada BOOM
I'm just gonna repost this anytime someone asks where to get money for a FBS move or stadium fund.
175 posts in 12 hours. Bravo
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
thanks for the neg rep chapo, can't handle the truth?
DONATE....dump all the neg rep you want it's a message board fine with me......
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
I'm just gonna repost this anytime someone asks where to get money for a FBS move or stadium fund.
175 posts in 12 hours. Bravo
where's your trust fund you have bragged about?
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I gave you the reason, I gave you truth none of you listen & blurt out the same lies about me day after day.
It's a message board, you're still my buddy!
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
I gave you the reason, I gave you truth none of you listen & blurt out the same lies about me day after day.
It's a message board, you're still my buddy!
I'd have a beer with you no problem, but you totally miss the facts behind this move..it's not as easy as you make it sound
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
tjbison
I'd have a beer with you no problem, but you totally miss the facts behind this move..it's not as easy as you make it sound
He owes me a shot. Maybe we could send him to woo Harold Hamm's soon to be ex wife. Of course there is that conference thing. Could the ex wife of an oil tycoon buy a conference?
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I'm already on it!! She's wearing the gold...we never lose in that color! http://www.thelostogle.com/wp-conten...e-ann-hamm.jpg
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
Georgia Southern announced its intentions to move to FBS in April of 2012. In March of 2013 is when they accepted an invite from the Sun Belt. Just saying...
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^^^someone gets it.... you ANNOUNCE your "intentions" you put out "FEELERS" Publically so conferences "KNOW" you are for real......interesting concept.
We are 1 DJ fumble (brock int) from 50 STRAIGHT WINS. & 1 bad call from 4 TITLES!
WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO PRO E AT FCS LEVEL. MY GOD PEOPLE. WE ALREADY DOMINATED FCS!
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
^^^someone gets it.... you ANNOUNCE your "intentions" you put out "FEELERS" Publically so conferences "KNOW" you are for real......interesting concept.
We are 1 DJ fumble (brock int) from 50 STRAIGHT WINS. & 1 bad call from 4 TITLES!
WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO PRO E AT FCS LEVEL. MY GOD PEOPLE. WE ALREADY DOMINATED FCS!
Do you actually have a life? Serious question.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
NDSU FOOTBALL SELLS I bet they could raise $100 million in 1 year if a concentrated effort was made.
$10 million from scheels Sanford rdo
$5 million from pro seed, bobcat, burgum NDSU student fees.
That's $50million.
1000 donors at $2000/year over 20 years= $40 million.
500 donors at $500/year over 20 years = $10 million.
Bada Bing, Bada BOOM
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
I'm just gonna repost this anytime someone asks where to get money for a FBS move or stadium fund.
175 posts in 12 hours. Bravo
1- That doesn't raise $100M in one year. You say so in your own post (1000 donors at $2000/year over 20 years is $2M in one year, not $40M).
2- You are always going to have more donors at the lower price threshold than the higher one, so you should have 500 donors at $2000/year ($1M) and 1000 donors at $500/year ($.5M).
3- You will either need a helluva lot more than $100M to make the move with a new stadium or quite a bit less to make the move without a new stadium.
Not sure why everyone is having a problem with this "discussion" - at least the talk is mainly contained to this thread. I'm in the wait and see camp, but I know what to expect when I click on this thread. Actually, I wish I could unblock El_Chapo for this thread only.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
ndsubison1
Georgia Southern announced its intentions to move to FBS in April of 2012. In March of 2013 is when they accepted an invite from the Sun Belt. Just saying...
That also was the year NCAA changed the rule for moving to FBS requires a conference invite. They could have gone independent if some odd reason SB bailed on them.
Also pretty sure they had a good idea they would receive the invite I think they did the announcement so that if sun belt didn't take them they technically could still have gone FBS. Their geography helps too as they are in footprint of a couple FBS conferences. NDSU doesn't except for P5 fringes and we all know we're not getting into a P5.
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Just LOOK at the garbage teams/programs in the fcs! NDSU has zero zero zero business with them!
Team (First-place votes) 2014 Record Points Previous Rank
1. North Dakota State Bison (153) 4-0 4017 1
2. Eastern Washington Eagles (8) 4-1 3865 2
3. Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 5-0 3501 3
4. New Hampshire Wildcats 3-1 3408 4
5. McNeese State Cowboys 2-1 3274 5
6. Villanova Wildcats 3-1 3249 6
7. Montana Grizzlies 3-2 3000 7
8. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 3-1 2888 8
9. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 3-1 2710 9
10. Northern Iowa Panthers 2-2 2489 10
11. Southeastern Louisiana Lions 3-2 2308 11
12. William & Mary Tribe 4-1 1999 12
13. Montana State Bobcats 3-2 1902 13
14. Chattanooga Mocs 2-2 1661 14
15. Southern Illinois Salukis 4-1 1615 17
16. Fordham Rams 4-1 1614 16
17. Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 3-1 1479 15
18. Youngstown State Penguins 3-1 1351 18
19. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 4-0 1222 19
20. Richmond Spiders 2-2 1066 20
21. Tennessee State Tigers 4-1 858 21
22. Illinois State Redbirds 3-0 600 23
23. Albany Great Danes 4-0 453 24
24. Delaware Blue Hens 3-1 343 25
25. Indiana State Sycamores 3-1 270 NR
Others receiving votes: Missouri State 147, Charleston Southern 146, Northern Arizona 142, Sam Houston State 105, Southeast Missouri State 72, Liberty 62, North Carolina A&T 61, Alabama State 57, Harvard 50, Alcorn State 40, Yale 39, Samford 25, Maine 24, Northwestern State 22, South Dakota 20, Furman 20, Eastern Illinois 19, Towson 17, Bucknell 16, Presbyterian 15, South Carolina State 13, Saint Francis-PA 11, Bryant 10, Abilene Christian 9, Wofford 9, Western Carolina 8, Tennessee Tech 5, James Madison 4, Jacksonville 4, Sacred Heart 3, San Diego 3, Central Arkansas 2, Lafayette 2, Stephen F. Austin 1.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
bisonaudit
Ohio St. tickets average sale price on the secondary market is over $260 bucks. Their stadium must not be big enough either. Killing the program.
Football stadiums don't get much bigger than 100,000.........but 19,000 is nothing for size.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
SDbison
Football stadiums don't get much bigger than 100,000.........but 19,000 is nothing for size.
Why not? .
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19,000 could work in the MAC / Sun Belt. and we'd make it like DUKE Basketball.. only 9000 capacity, but its hard to get tickets, its a privledge and its expensive.
NDSU could do $50 & $75 tickets for entire stadium and sell out and make more money.
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I always love the Fargodome and Duke comparison. Duke can play in a tiny old school gym because the school has a $6 billion endowment and gets a nice fat TV revenue check from the ACC. They can afford to do whatever in the heck they want to do.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
SDbison
Football stadiums don't get much bigger than 100,000.........but 19,000 is nothing for size.
OSU did just add 3k seats, not a huge number but at least they are trying to accommodate some of their demand.
I do agree 100% with those that say NDSU has a stadium issue, we have zero room for growth. This is an issue whether we go FBS or not, people want tickets and they have zero shot to get them. Fargo is a growing city, ND is a growing state and NDSU is a growing university. If you want to grow team makers and grow NDSU athletics the dome will have to be addressed.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
NDSUstudent
I always love the Fargodome and Duke comparison. Duke can play in a tiny old school gym because the school has a $6 billion endowment and gets a nice fat TV revenue check from the ACC. They can afford to do whatever in the heck they want to do.
And that is where we are. The real tipping point in sports money is TV money. That solves all other problems. And that is the rub for NDSU. ND is growing, but NDSU would need to be a national brand with a national audience in order to succeed at the highest levels. That is a tall order.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
NDSUstudent
OSU did just add 3k seats, not a huge number but at least they are trying to accommodate some of their demand.
I do agree 100% with those that say NDSU has a stadium issue, we have zero room for growth. This is an issue whether we go FBS or not, people want tickets and they have zero shot to get them. Fargo is a growing city, ND is a growing state and NDSU is a growing university. If you want to grow team makers and grow NDSU athletics the dome will have to be addressed.
And that's fine, but NDSU is going to have to do it with their own money.
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I hate the Duke basketball comparison
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
El_Chapo
Just LOOK at the garbage teams/programs in the fcs! NDSU has zero zero zero business with them!
Team (First-place votes) 2014 Record Points Previous Rank
1. North Dakota State Bison (153) 4-0 4017 1
2. Eastern Washington Eagles (8) 4-1 3865 2
3. Coastal Carolina Chanticleers 5-0 3501 3
4. New Hampshire Wildcats 3-1 3408 4
5. McNeese State Cowboys 2-1 3274 5
6. Villanova Wildcats 3-1 3249 6
7. Montana Grizzlies 3-2 3000 7
8. Jacksonville State Gamecocks 3-1 2888 8
9. South Dakota State Jackrabbits 3-1 2710 9
10. Northern Iowa Panthers 2-2 2489 10
11. Southeastern Louisiana Lions 3-2 2308 11
12. William & Mary Tribe 4-1 1999 12
13. Montana State Bobcats 3-2 1902 13
14. Chattanooga Mocs 2-2 1661 14
15. Southern Illinois Salukis 4-1 1615 17
16. Fordham Rams 4-1 1614 16
17. Bethune-Cookman Wildcats 3-1 1479 15
18. Youngstown State Penguins 3-1 1351 18
19. Eastern Kentucky Colonels 4-0 1222 19
20. Richmond Spiders 2-2 1066 20
21. Tennessee State Tigers 4-1 858 21
22. Illinois State Redbirds 3-0 600 23
23. Albany Great Danes 4-0 453 24
24. Delaware Blue Hens 3-1 343 25
25. Indiana State Sycamores 3-1 270 NR
Others receiving votes: Missouri State 147, Charleston Southern 146, Northern Arizona 142, Sam Houston State 105, Southeast Missouri State 72, Liberty 62, North Carolina A&T 61, Alabama State 57, Harvard 50, Alcorn State 40, Yale 39, Samford 25, Maine 24, Northwestern State 22, South Dakota 20, Furman 20, Eastern Illinois 19, Towson 17, Bucknell 16, Presbyterian 15, South Carolina State 13, Saint Francis-PA 11, Bryant 10, Abilene Christian 9, Wofford 9, Western Carolina 8, Tennessee Tech 5, James Madison 4, Jacksonville 4, Sacred Heart 3, San Diego 3, Central Arkansas 2, Lafayette 2, Stephen F. Austin 1.
Gross...
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You seriously think the MAC or Mountain West will invite us? Not a chance. What does the Fargo media market offer them? Nothing. The success of the football team has little to do with if a conference wants you, believe it or not. App St has been average since their 3 peat and they got an invite. Why? Location and media market. Why did the Big 10 want Maryland and Rutgers? Because they were both football powerhouses? Ha! Hardly. They wanted the New York and D.C. Media markets. You crazy FBS at all costs people think that because we are the best team in fcs that we should move up. Should the best DII team move to the FCS for that same reason? No. It's not as simple as some of you think.
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Bison03. Have we not already dominated this league? Seriously. Those teams I listed are NOT NDSU PEER INSTITUITIONS!!
NDSU it's players, it's alumni, it's academia deserves to be at the highest level and we aren't right now. Yes the mountain west would invite NDSU IF OUR ADMIN SOLD THEM ON IT..... 50% share of 800-1,000,000 people (ND & NW MN) is better than 10% share of 2 million or less in Laramie, ft Collins, Boise state, unlv.... Right??
NDSU has a Nebraska/Wisconsin following in terms of loyalty in a lesser extent.
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Re: A new and better FBS thread
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Originally Posted by
Bison03
You seriously think the MAC or Mountain West will invite us? Not a chance. What does the Fargo media market offer them? Nothing. The success of the football team has little to do with if a conference wants you, believe it or not. App St has been average since their 3 peat and they got an invite. Why? Location and media market. Why did the Big 10 want Maryland and Rutgers? Because they were both football powerhouses? Ha! Hardly. They wanted the New York and D.C. Media markets. You crazy FBS at all costs people think that because we are the best team in fcs that we should move up. Should the best DII team move to the FCS for that same reason? No. It's not as simple as some of you think.
:biggrin:
You hit the nail on the head. But dont try and confuse them with facts when nonsensical rhetoric will work just as well.
