There's no way that there were 20K in that stadium. Think they beefed it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
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There's no way that there were 20K in that stadium. Think they beefed it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
That's a laugh. The crowd at the potato bowl looked like a Tampa Bay Rays game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
So go do it. Nobody is going to stop you from trying to do this. If you don't come up with enough to move to FBS football, I'm sure NDSU will be happy to put the money to good use.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonsfan
They probably just counted the # of tickets each school had to buy and a few tickets bought by the locals. I watched the Potato Bowl highlights and there can't be more than a 4,000 people in the stands.
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Originally Posted by bisonaudit
Perspective folks...
Minnesota is in a bowl game. How many people know which one or where it is at?
Yes, it is in Houston....
How many fans are buying tickets? (not the school, fans)
You will see more traveling fans at the game in Frisco than at Houston. (I had a good talk with a couple of UofMN fans on this topic yesterday. The interest from the typical Gopher fan is not there).
I always shake my head when the 'Spend other peoples money crowd' gets going on this topic. Cash flow is critical to any business or organization. Deficit spending only works in Washington and even there, not for long...
I challenge the folks on this board who want to move up to put their money where their mouth is and try to match the support given by the quiet crowd.
You are wrong about the fundraising. Nobody depends on philanthropy to raise the money needed for a move to FBS. The potential sources of revenue needed would include:Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonsfan
1) Ticket revenue, including especially revenue from priority seating and suites. Despite what you've said repeatedly, I don't think the average person is ready to pay several times current prices for Bison football. A move up would likely require a major stadium upgrade. And by the way, moving to an outdoor stadium in Fargo would be a huge step back for the program.
2) State funding. Do we need to rehash the political situation in ND? ND has 7 4-year schools mandated in the state constitution. Wyoming has one and that is why they are able to fund an FBS program.
3) TV revenue. This obviously requires an invitation to an FBS conference. All the lobbying in the world isn't going to get NDSU into the MWC in the foreseeable future. We are not even on their radar. Anything less than the MWC is a joke and not worth talking about. That includes the MAC.
As a fan, I think it would be tremendous fun to have NDSU in the MWC. Wishing won't make it happen. Even donating money won't make it happen. Even if the MWC did want NDSU (a pipe dream) we would likely need a new stadium. To recruit the athletes we would need and the fans we would need, that stadium would almost certainly need to be indoors. Even if NDSU miraculously pulled this off, we could be left behind if/when the BCS conferences form their own division.
If we stay patient and wait to see if the BCS conferences go their own way, there may be an opportunity for the rest of the FBS and the top of the FCS to find common ground. I think that is the best strategy for now.
Guarantee you this is not the case, many know who NDSU is but many also know who UND is. I grew up out there most people (or at least did before the rivalry "stopped") sort of leaned one way or the other. Ignoring them because they never really had strong allegiance to NDSU is pretty small minded. Many of these people are farmers (or from farming families) and many realize the importance of NDSU to agriculture in this state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayville Bison
If NDSU fundraisers are ignoring this group of people because they don't believe they will realize the importance of NDSU need to get their walking papers and fast. (Hate to say it but probably same applies to UN_ also.) These people are going to have a steady flow of extra income for the next "X" years who many weren't necessarily expecting it.
I do agree they may not care about NDSU being FBS etc. A few probably do. NDSU/UND games were discussed a lot while I was growing up, and even some other NCC games came up. Again several in the area graduated from NDSU and still take some interest in NDSU athletics. Some might donate quicker than others. But the opportunity is there, to ignore it because it may be too tough is not an option NDSU has in my opinion. Western ND is still North Dakota.
My .02. Anyone who even mention a move up had damn well already be a TM, or become one before the end of the day. I for won get tired of those who say "well TM's/Donors should do this or that"! I say STFU unless you are one of us, regardless of the level you can donate. Every last dollar counts--period!
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As far as the "20k to a bowl game and a week of festivities" argument, I'm not taking time off work and spending money to go watch NDSU play in the Papa John's bowl. Frisco is a different story.
I also agree that it's easy for people to talk about moving up and creating some sort of slanted argument when they aren't even a part of Teammakers.
A suburb of dallas is the highlight of your social lives? Yes its been fun, but been there done that 3 times. This shouldnt be the ceiling of ndsu football your own coach bohl said this as so. Who owns the lands where oil comes from? Farmers who maybe went to ndsu? Maybe some are waiting for fbs to donate? Tickets can be $40/50 a ticket easily plus premium $100/tickets Good chat im off my shift merry xmas!
Don't come then and stop trolling Towson's board.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonsfan
I think also that these move up now immediately get the state of ND to pay for it backers point that is missing is that yeah the first 2-3 bowl games would be interesting. But after 10-15 years of playing in crap bowls which mean nothing are we still going to travel well to see them play in that bowl? I know I wouldn't, I would sit at home and watch it and if they made it to a "bigger" bowl then perhaps I'd go.Quote:
Originally Posted by silkamilkamonico
That's why so many MN fans don't go they don't care about beef o grady type bowls, because they can get in them without hardly even trying. Eventually that would just be the norm for NDSU and it would be meaningless to the fans because we're winning a game that gives us what? Twentieth to 25th place in FBS/BCS?
Not me sorry o just a msum/fergus kid adam scheuller fan check my ip bye
dragon...the trip to Frisco last year is one of the best things I've experienced in many years. It's not the highlight of my social life...but it was truly unbelievable to be there. Got anything at Moorhead State that comes within one percent of that experience athletically? If so...let me know. It's not about Frisco...it's being there with so many Bison fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonsfan
F--- the suburb of Dallas. I have better happenings right here in Denver. I will gladly take time out to watch NDSU win a Champiomnship against another quality team that also marches through 3 tough playoff games. The quality of the FCS National Championship is better than most of those lower level bowl games, JMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonsfan
Agreed - for myself, and I understand others are different, I want to watch the excitement of a National Championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1998braves64
I ain't wasting my time watching Michigan St vs Stanford in the Rose Bowl to see who finishes in 3rd place.
Then you need to worry about YOUR school dropping football altogether. If you're from MN, stop trying to spend ND's money.Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonsfan
dragons fan see's it clearly. If this is the ceiling of NDSU's potential...we're all wasting money. Theres greener pastures on the other side of the wall but some of you fail to see that.
the draw of FBS teams coming to Fargo(bcs or not) far outweigh any potential FCS has. Could you imagine a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 when it came to scheduling teams and having a Big12 school come here? That would be awesome.
But i guess that some of you are fine with New Hampshire, Coastal Carolina & Delaware St.
i mean Ferris St just played a freaking home game here, how low is that? NDSU deserves way better than this.
There's a ceiling to the bowl system, only it costs a lot more to be in the bottom of that division.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
If we got an invitation to a good FBS conference with 3 or 4 big-name schools...it's a no-brainer...IMO. Until that time comes, I'm just enjoying the hell out of what we have now.
I'm weary of the discussion.
when the BCS conferences break off, itll be nice to have some stability when it comes to moving up. No?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison 4 Life
Of course it would be awesome. You guys just repeat yourself over and over and over again. If it was only that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
It doesn't matter how "awesome" it would be. NDSU would need a conference invitation. Much as you guys would like, we can't just join a conference that looks like fun for us. Then we would need a stadium that would consistently generate the revenue needed over many years. Then we'd have to pray that the big boys didn't choose to take their ball and go home leaving us behind.
The total annual contribution to NDSU by most of these "GO FBS" guys is $0.00
So these guys & staying put in the FCS have something in common.Quote:
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
Maybe if we're lucky enough, the big hitters @ NDSU will get bored with the FCS. hopefully sooner rather than later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kermit
Well, with all due respect I can't really blame them. It's not my money that's attributing to FBS, it's theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
Gene and Dean need to be showcasing NDSU, the athletic dept and the city of Fargo non stop. the potential is enormous and there isn't a better time than now
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
At least Road has the stones and credibility to say this...I tire easily of the "shortsighted", "backward", "non-visionary" and myriad other adjectives used to describe those that disagree with the go-FBS idea.
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Originally Posted by dragonsfan
Sam---Get this straight, I dont give 2 shits if the yockels in ny la vegas florida have never heard of us or cares about fcs.. As far as fund raising is concerned you dont have a clue. The current team has brought in 2.5-3 million this year. All the while you bitch but dont contribute one dime.
Always thought that would be a good name for a whore house.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
There will never be an FBS team in Fargo. Why does the discussion of moving up come up non stop. The teams that have moved up werent teams that were at the top of 1-AA they have been mediocre teams that had the stadiums in place, prepared moneywise and were in the right place geographically. We are none of those three. Lets see what kind of support this team has next year or two or three years down the road without a trip to Frisco or without more than one home playoff game or even without a home playoff game, or god forbid no playoff bid. Im sorry but if bison football isnt big enough to outdraw hunting, how do we fare against a bad bison team on thw field. The last thing we need to be is the next umass or temple. Lots of things need to be in place before the thought of moving up should even be entertained. Step one is increasing the athletic budget from within, two would be entertaining a new or expanded stadium, and finally would be evaluating conference invitations.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
Would love to see that ad campaign!Quote:
Originally Posted by LITTLEGUYSINGREEN
You keep forgetting the purple. They just talked about this very thing on the Jack Michaels show today. Maybe lakes should listen to someone who knows what they are talking about, no way that NDSU should even think about a move right now, not for at least 5 or more years.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
Stadium- not big enough and building another dome that holds 30k would cost 400-500million where do you think that money is going to come from? Outdoors stadium, ok , it's a little cheaper, but you not going to get 20k-25k Bison fans to sit outside during a snow storm or 5 below temps, look at the makeup of the fans that go to games now and you will see why.
Athletic budget- the budget for all sport in total will have to double from 16 million to about 30 million or more, travel goes up, coaches salaries, scholarships, schedule to bring teams in for ooc games in all sports, the list goes on.
National Championships- forget about having a shot at one of those cause it isn't going to happen, were not going to get into a BCS conference so forget going to the 4 team playoff or even a 8 team one if they expand it. And who wants to go to some meaningless bowl game that has no meaning to it and only pays the school 700 k but costs us a million or more in the end. Yeah we travel well in the playoffs to the NC game, but would struggle to get 6-10 k to a bowl that is low level and means nothing after it is over.
Even Gene Taylor gave it away how far off we were from FBS when he said he knew Wyoming was going to go after Bohl and there was NO WAY we could compete with what they were going to offer him. Yeah the move is for football to go FBS, but it drags the other sports in the school into a new conference but puts the whole athletic program under a lot of strain. To manyother reason to go into tobut those are some of the most important ones as to why it is wrong to think of going for a while, if at all.
Funny that you talk about a guy running the numbers (finances), who is not even a teamaker or that can be proven even donates to the school.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
If NDSU is going to go FBS, it will have to be MBB that pushes it over. The dome is fairly close to being maxed out on revenue (i think they could get another million out of a 6 game schedule without too much drama), but there is alot of room for MBB to grow. Without a perennial top-80 team noone outside of the mac will be interested. Getting VB and WBB back on track would be a great help as well.
On the plus side I see that teammakers will now be able to run two more gaming sites after a change in city rules. That will be nice bump, but not enough to make a big difference. Also, the donor base is growing every day. NDSU graduates how many more students a year now than it did 15 years ago?
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Originally Posted by 1st&TennBison
The reality is whether or not we remain at the FCS or move to the FBS, we need an expansion plan or a new indoor stadium. We should be #1 in attendance but we can't sell any more tickets. If Montana can do 26K or Montana State can do 20K, we sure as hell can do 25K. But that would never happen outdoors. You are correct that we could not draw 30K fans late in the year in sub zero weather. Besides why would we want to give up the most unique atmosphere in the nation for an outdoor stadium so we can be like everyone else? These Mac programs would kill to have a dome but the reality is they could never ever raise that kind of money.
FBS or FCS? It's been debated to death so I wont chime in. But if we could increase our athletic budget and raise some more money, we could certainly pay our coaches a number closer to Wyoming than we currently do. I think we could close the gap without a new stadium but certainly a larger capacity would help. The size of an athletic budget isn't only based on capacity. Look at Duke basketball. Need to find other sources. TV money. Baskeball revenue. The team makers revenue will explode once the shac is done. Teammakers can raise more money in the dome if needed. Last report I saw had wyomings budget at $21,445,005. Arent we at 15 million? It's far off yet reachable. We were at 4 million in 2004...
Again--Join TM's at whatever level is STFU!! Join already if u r willing to sacrifice about 15 lunch monies that u otherwise spend in 3-4 weeks. Where is the commitment?!Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
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I've been a teammaker for over 10 years. I assume your referring to others in general?Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS4127
after we win again its time for fbs. we will be in the middle tier no matter what if there is a shift overall. i dont want to settle for being the top of fcs and better than some fbs. i want to be the next boise state and better than most programs in the country :). maybe somewhere down the road every conference will get a bid to the playoffs. the only reasonable argument against it is the money aspect. if we moved up would donors step up even more?
Just a general question, but if we add 22 scholarships for football we need to add 22 women's scholarships, assuming we don't cut other men's sports, where would these scholarships go? Could we possibly add another women's sport?