I remember when UNC was applying to the BSC and all they talked about was the Denver media market. That didn't work out so well. No one in Denver knows they exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
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I remember when UNC was applying to the BSC and all they talked about was the Denver media market. That didn't work out so well. No one in Denver knows they exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
IMO sac state’s fate will be telling. If they waltz into FBS as an independent, all the "split" talk is BS. If the "pending" power split is real, they’ll block sac state from moving up
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Originally Posted by Bison Dan
If they take basketball money, I'm not sure how the other sports and divisions continue to have championships. 85% of the NCAA money is from the men's basketball tournament. A lot of that money pays for the D2 wrestling tournament and D3 lacrosse tournaments. FCS is funded some from that pot, but probably less than many others.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
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I feel the tea leaves are reversed. P4 votes will likely influence/control the outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
If Sac St waltz in, that's because the power conference ADs on that committee have decided they no longer care, and plan to split off soon, imo. That could happen as soon as the next CFP contract gets negotiated (2026/2027).
I realize this biz is cutthroat, but that would be too low imo. You’d be letting them join something you were about to blow up, lol, with big implications across the board for sac state, big sky etc. I don’t think they’d go that low, and it might create legal problemsQuote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
https://x.com/TBM_JY/status/1910461781727674690
fwiw
not sure what to make of it at this point
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
"NDSU FANS
Be Prepared.
No timeline.
But, Be Prepared!"
I love the "NO Timeline" LOL
Way to go out on a limb there!
I'm wearing a rubber. Be prepared!Quote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
The funniest thing is reading through all the comments...getting to the end, and then X has a button to show Probable Spam. I click it...and what do I find? A post be Lakes...only one post...only his. Now that right there...that is funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
Prepare theyselfQuote:
Originally Posted by TransAmBison
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Originally Posted by TransAmBison
I’m surprised that podcast and twitter account isn’t actually also Lakes, or SPAM, or somehow both.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Is this like preparing thyselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
Pretty good interview with the P4 commissioners on today's Ruthless podcast. Starts at about the 50 minute mark. Discussion about NIL, trying to maintain college athletics, trying to get a federal framework.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1cD...TWyqjrCBeWaNHw
https://youtu.be/vCfCMvtepX0?si=IsxN_10ktQbn8quq
The Big Mountain (Mountain West show) talks with Sam Herder about the FCS and NDSU, Tarleton State, SDSU, Montana State, Montana and Sacramento State moving up to the FBS
Great listen!
Once again, lakes is delegated to potential spam lolQuote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
https://x.com/TBM_JY/status/1913009665538957592
It’s interesting that TSU is now too good for CUSA, but it’s even more interesting that SDSU appears uninterested in moving up. Can they not afford it?
Can we afford it?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Can NDSU afford it? You must not be paying attention if you have to ask that. Too focused on politics perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the move.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
It's simply an honest question. We'll need more talent if we do this. That talent is costing more each season. It's a concern.
Best way to get more talent is increase scholarships. Right now we have 63. FBS is 85. If you opt into the settlement, it increases to 105. We already have an endowment that perpetually covers all 63, so increasing it would be a breezeQuote:
Originally Posted by NI4NI
The tougher part would be increasing coaching salaries but it's very do-able
We do?......Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Thanks, good info. I was actually thinking about the NIL money. Not sure where that's gonna come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
It's your checkbook. Didn't you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
2 years ago there was an article that said it was at 70 million, which funds 172. It said 125 million would fund all athletic scholarshipsQuote:
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison...ver-70-million
Then 2 years later and article said it was over 100 million
https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison...ps-100-million
Although I think some may be covering operations
Didnt know where to post this. But its an interesting read on player compensation through the years and the NCAA.
https://www.vuhoops.com/2011/08/22/h...e-sinful-seven
Not football, but speaking of Sac State:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bisonator98
https://www.on3.com/news/report-shaq...-manager-role/
Shaq hired/volunteering as their BB GM. Mike Bibby will coach. Looks like they are gonna try to buy some wins. We'll see if the 'look at me' approach appeals to anyone and gets them to a FBS conference.
Sacramento is averaging 9,000 fans a game in a 15,000 capacity stadium as a 3 year temporary home of the Oakland. The As are currently above 500 too. Big time marketQuote:
Originally Posted by KSBisonFan
They aren't really "deserving" of FBS status, but the same could be said of a few others like Kennesaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSBisonFan
Conference invite for them may hinge on how the media companies perceive things. The ESPN article proclaiming that they were a "top 20" media market irked me a bit, because that is what CUSA crowed about when adding Kennesaw (Atlanta "market").
The Basketball angle though is a good move on their part, and something we should be doing. There is no FCS/Iaa level for basketball, if you succeed in that sport, there almost instant recognition and opportunity (see Gonzaga and others). D1 Basketball success has been a proven path for moving up the conference ladder, and something we've sorely neglected. Make the tourney every year and win a few games to get to Sweet 16, and there will be interest.
Interesting take on what's involved in conference alignments.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-1009419.html
Truth!!!.......Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
https://www.mwcconnection.com/2025/6...ures-additions
Notable quotes ...
"With five departing schools triggering an estimated $100 million in exit fees, the remaining members are poised for a financial windfall. Those funds could support NIL programs, facility upgrades, and staff retention. Combine that with upcoming media rights renegotiations in 2026, and the MWC’s new core has real leverage to boost exposure and revenue."
"The conference now has the opportunity to grow deliberately. Schools like Montana, Montana State, North Dakota State, or UC Davis could bring strong fan bases, football tradition, and geography-friendly options for future membership, helping create a fresh and competitive conference landscape."
No mention of Tarleton, SDSU or Sac State fwiw
The plan from the get go was to add two football only schools in the CST zone. The first invitations went to NIU and Toledo. Toledo does not appear to be interested. The Montanas are in the Mountain time zone. Probably not the add they are looking for because they already have 5 schools in the MST. With Davis in the conference and soon to be transitioning to FBS, Sac State is very unlikely. To me Tarleton seems unlikely. That could leave NDSU in a good spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
The point to remember, is the MW already has 9 for football and 10 for olympic sports so they really don't have to do anything. Also, the MW and Pac have been negotiating over the exit and poaching fees but there is no guarantee they will settle. If this thing goes to court that will take quite awhile to play out. In that case the MW will almost certainly stand pat.
I would personally favor a NDSU football only invitation but I do wonder if you guys will still be interested in a much different MW than you wanted to join before.
No idea but Big Mountain guys seem to think NDSU would accept immediately. I find it interesting that these guys never bring up SDSU, which tells me they (bunnies) must not be interestedQuote:
Originally Posted by MWC
I think the School would accept if offered. I was just wondering how you all personally feel about that possible move. No Boise, CSU or USU any more. Wyoming is the last northern school in what is primarily a southwestern based conference in 2026.
Just speculation on my part but I believe the new tv deal will be around 2.5 per for full members with an 80 percent cut for football only schools. That is around 2.8 million but like no games on ESPN..Fox and CBS with maybe some streaming on Paramount +. Mostly night time starts for football.
If the MW prevails in the poaching and exit fee suits or at least makes out pretty well, UNLV and AFA will get 24.5 percent of the total. NV, NM, SJSU and Wyoming would each get 11 percent. Hawaii, 7%. The represents a significant cash influx for those 7 schools but none of that money would go to UTEP, Davis or GCU. An school added going forward would not get a share of that.
Leaving the MVFC for the MWC will be a hard decision. No Boise, CSU are big deals especially since we'll be losing the ability to play Murray State, Northern Iowa and Indiana State.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
However, when we weigh the pro's they narrowly outweigh the con's.
Talk about MWC expansion always seems to love the idea of the Montanas and I’m not sure why. Is a move even practical for both universities?
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So..a lot like getting to play SJSU, Nevada, NM and UTEP. I can see how that would tilt the scales.
The portal/NIL stuff is now making me rethink the FBS thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
I’m not entirely sure there is much difference for a program like NDSU at the top of the FCS or somewhere within the middle of FBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by ndsubison1
Not being FBS doesn’t protect us from the portal or NIL just as being FBS doesn’t protect us either.
Still gonna lose players, still going to have to have NIL, etc.
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I thought the whole point of moving up was (i) NDSU has won most of the FCS titles in the last decade or whatever, so it’s sort of obnoxious not to move up if there’s a higher level to play at (ask Sam Herder how he feels lol), and (ii) although Boise/CSU etc are no longer in the conference, playing them would at least be an option in the MWC, and right now it is most certainly not. I have no idea what admin is thinking -- or the major boosters for that matter -- but as recently as a week or so ago AD ML still seemed pretty focused on playing FB at a higher level … I don’t see a P2 split comingQuote:
Originally Posted by ndsubison1
Agree on the ML take. His most recent comments are much more clear that NDSU wants to go FBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
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