It might streamline things if they have their people talk to my people. My people will tell their people to read this thread and we'll be cutting the MVFC patches off our jerseys before Monday's practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
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It might streamline things if they have their people talk to my people. My people will tell their people to read this thread and we'll be cutting the MVFC patches off our jerseys before Monday's practice.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
You forgot:Quote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
We don't even want to go FBS and we don't have a warm water port*
* If you know, you know.
Those numbers sound ballpark right to me. $50m would match Wyoming budget. Its still a lot less than schools like UNLV and AFA spend. A lot of the costs will come from FBS requirements for additional scholarships, adding sports and coaches. Its not only travel. Football only would reduce the travel costs some, but that isn't the whole picture. Have to be ready for additional costs coming out of the House settlement and paying players directly too. I'd imagine the fine tooth comb part of this may be coming from President Cook. It just means they are being diligent and making sure it will all pass muster with the state too. They can't just say yes and figure it out later.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
It’s important to remember that there are many reasons why the numerator on that equation will increase as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I'm sure NDSU is doing that math as well, and it may even be part of the discussions with MW in terms of what they will offer, and what the distributions are expected to look like. These decisions always come down to money in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
NIU is rumored to have been disappointed in what MW offered them, and felt it didn't make sense to leave the MAC. Perhaps their travel costs would have gone up more than the payout. Every school has to do this analysis for themselves.
Reportedly, NIU was concerned about the lawsuit the Pac Who has filed to get rid of the poaching fees and the fact that the MW would not have a guaranteed spot in the CFP. Or in other words they wanted a better deal.
NIU isn’t going ANYWHERE that is going to get a guaranteed CFP spot. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
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I know..That is a lame reason to stay in the MAC. I still think it is still just negotiating.
Speaking of... The other day Gloria gave an interview on ESPN Honolulu. She was asked about the McMurphy tweet and said "Don't believe everything you read." She also said the MW is slowing down a bit after the frantic first couple of months getting to 8 and adding GCU. They still feel a sense of urgency but their hair is no longer on fire. She said they have a couple of meetings on the schedule and this will take awhile.
Lakes needs to set her straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Thanks for sharing. Like everything else that happens within public institutions and the entities that govern them she gave a perfectly acceptable answer that said nothing at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
I do think it will be a few weeks before we hear anything more one way or the other.
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The TV contract is up in 2026 and there is no guarantee it will be renewed. Maction is a sure thingQuote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Maybe. It seems like when these rumors turn out to be true, they fire off sooner than that. If our leadership is worth their salt, the financials should already be prepped and ready to present. Part of me thinks if we don't know by Monday the 18th, it's dead in the water.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
I would be VERY surprised if there have not already been initial discussions between MW and media partners.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
1 - most likely they know the outline and what expected range of payouts would be.
2 - most likely the media partners and/or consultants are providing estimates of media value for various schools that could be added, and this is part of the process of who gets invites normally.
PAC took a break for the purpose of figuring all this out. I suspect MW was ahead of them on this aspect. There have been rumors floating that the next MW contract will have a strong streaming aspect. Not sure if that will be Apple, ESPN+, Amazon, or someone else. PAC previously was close to deals with either Apple or Amazon for streaming, before it all fell apart.
Right, none of the G6 will get a guaranteed spot, though some conferences will have a higher probability than others. PAC has the best shot at getting the CFP bid on a regular basis. NIU would have significantly improved their odds of a CFP birth by moving to MW imo. Most years, MAC will not get significant consideration. Thus logically, it must have really come down to the money and additional travel costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
It’s coming down to the fact that their other sports would be homeless. School has happily been in the MAC for 51 years. That’s a hell of a bridge to burn and football doesn’t run the school like it does at NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
That is the most obvious reasoning. Football only for them meant having to find a new conference for the other sports. When you’ve been in a bus league for 50 years you’re not going to jump into another conference for Olympic sports that would mean increased travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
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Either you've got this wrong or Wikipedia does. Niu left the summit league in 1994 for the horizon league. And they left the horizon league in 1997 for the mac. (Both confereneces had different names then, but its the same charter).Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Your point about it being a long time still stands. 27 years is a long time. It's just not 51.
Another aside, if football doesnt run niu, what does? Cause they suck ass at basketball
It's actually much more complicated than that. NIU first joined the MAC back in 1975, but they hopped around a bunch from 1986-96.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
1920 - joined the IIAC(Illinois Intercollegiate Athletic Conference; later Interstate Intercollegiate Athletic Conference)
1966 - left for the Midwestern Conference
1972 - went independent
1975 - joined the MAC for the first time
1986 - women join the North Star Conference(later absorbed into Mid-Con/Summit)
1986 - men go independent(again)
1990 - all olympic sports fully join the Mid-Con(Summit)
1993 - joined Big West for football
1994 - olympic sports moved to Midwestern Collegiate Conference(Horizon)
1996 - football independent
1997 - finally back to MAC(olympic + football)
So over the last 49 seasons(1975-2024), NIU was in the MAC for 37 of them(1975-1985*, 1997-2024).
*I used the beginning of the academic year for all the dates. So the 1985 date here is actually the 1985-86 season.
Which takes us full circle. More travel/costs and not enough of a revenue jump to outweigh that for NIU.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Travel costs and money are two of the biggest drivers of movement (or in this case nonmovement) within the G5/6. And really in the end, money drives all decisions in FBS. The numbers just weren't big enough for NIU to jump.
Yeah that was my b for skimming the Wikipedia page lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
Not to detract from the point that the major problem would be the homelessness of their non-football sports. That is how you divide an athletic department. All their other sports are just fine where they are at. You gonna blow things up for a conference that might not exist or at least turn into CUSA in 5 years?
No…
MW may be weakened, but no bloody way they turn into the train wreck that CUSA did :rofl: They have been avoiding schools like NMSU for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Lol we are less than three months removed from a significant amount of people speculating that the mountain west was going to be disbanded…Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Many on here had given the MWC a death sentence, but much of that might have been wishful thinking from the FCS forever crowd. It is very hard to kill a conferenceQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
If you believe Matt Brown, Summit is already backfilling …
https://csnbbs.com/thread-1000853.html
Summit will always be looking for members but not sure what that has to do with NDSU FB going to the MWC. We wouldn't be leaving the Summit for our other sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Ut arlington plz.
I'd love to go watch ndsu mbb lose then never go to a game ever again.
It seems like our basketball team miraculously achieves a new all time low every single year.
Summit invites NIUQuote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
NIU football goes to MWC
NDSU has to stay in MVFC
Not a chance, they love their bus leagueQuote:
Originally Posted by reformedUNDfan
They would join the Horizon long before the Summit.
Here are Izzo and McFeely talking about the Mountain West possibilities: Hot Mic with Dom Izzo on X: "From the show this morning, @McFeely_Inforum and @DomIzzoWDAY discuss NDSU potentially moving to the Mountain West. https://t.co/pu2AUbfVrj" / X
One point that they made was that the non-conference schedules are going to be insane so I went and checked what the future membership has for non-conference (home games in bold)
UTEP: Nebraska, Tennessee, Colorado State, Southern Utah
Nevada: SMU, Minnesota, Troy, Georgia Southern, Oregon State
UNLV: Houston, Utah Tech, Kansas, Syracuse
SJSU: Sacramento State, Kennesaw State, Washington State, Stanford
New Mexico: Montana State, Arizona, Auburn
I stopped there. Make of it what you will. Definitely an upgrade in competition though.
Playing upwards of 3 P4 teams annually (albeit on the road) is a huge upgrade for the Bison and a chance to really elevate the program. Plus I do think the remaining MWC teams are still on average a pretty considerable step up from MVFC competition, especially week in/week out.
Fingers crossed! My gut is this is happening, but who knows. There are a lot of potential explanations and outcomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
Izzo also said that Brett McMurphy will be on his show tomorrow.
Here was McMurphy's interview with Bison1660 from last week if anyone missed it: https://www.spreaker.com/episode/cfb...2024--62655701
Alright, the ndsu to mwc thing is 100% real. Tim polasek must suck at poker lmao.
His smile after denying knowing anything, lol. 9:50 in the press conference vod.
Did he look like this?
https://media1.giphy.com/media/UTFiH...giphy.gif&ct=g
Cant stop checking Brett McMurphy tweets. Maybe a local person will break the news ala Logan Campbell with the Entz news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
Then have NDSU try to run them out of town afterwards? Felt so bad for Logan after she broke the Entz story, just for doing her job. AD ML was beyond butt-hurt at that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by ndsubison1
Lol just go watch it, I gave the time stamp. He's trying so hard to supress the smile that he drinks water.Quote:
Originally Posted by No_Skill
His change in demeanor from subject to subject also makes it fairly obvious imo.
I suppose its a tremendous prospect for him personally.. if it works out on the projected time table his next contract is probably for $1m/yr or something in that neighborhood.
Tony, you really shouldn't point stuff out like this. It just makes it that much more painful.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony
I’m not seeing what you’re seeing, he was laughing at his own joke about “only knowing what you guys write” referring to the reporters… I hope you’re right though…Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
That one could go either way for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by heffray
I think we're close, but less convinced TP knows and tipped his hand after watching it.
It is possible we are one of 2 or 3 candidates under discussion by MW. The recent quasi denial by Gloria was interesting. She essentially said the press/media reports were inaccurate.