2010 Recruiting

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Originally Posted by tony

Yeah, I edited my first post. A scorched earth policy is where you destroy what you can't use, leaving nothing behind for the enemy. The writer obviously wanted to use some sinister phrase to describe NDSU's recruiting and chose one that he obviously didn't understand.

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Thought blitzkrieg would be more appropriate in describing NDSU's recruiting philosophy :p

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Originally Posted by JacksFan06

It's actually a pretty good blog post. Just explaining how the recruiting has changed in the past 5 years. Fans are more hungry for recruiting news and pretty much know they whole recruiting class before it's announced on signing day. Alot different than 5 years ago, when signing day was like xmas and 15 new presents were opened.

Also talks about how are the local DI schools are looking for any advantage they can get to have a leg up on a kid. NDSU's new trend to get out and offer kids in the summer took the other local programs off guard but they will be ready for it this summer. I don't think anybody is trying to accuse NDSU of anything negative, they've just changed the landscape of how recruiting will be done at the regional FCS level.

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Why would what NDSU did in recruiting this year change how Stig and SDSU recruit kids? I mean according to Bobo they never offered or really recruited the two SD players that signed with NDSU. If everything is working out so well down in Brookings, why change? Am I missing something here? :confused: Also, I do think Stu is trying to bash the Bison just like coach what's his name from USD and he did during a live blog not to long ago.

Bohl didn't exactly reinvent the wheel here, he and his staff just put more time in and accelerated the recruiting process. It sounded like they put a heavy emphasis in getting to kids at their summer camp, which is probably good strategy.

There was no "scorched Earth" strategy. All Bohl did was adjust to the changing times, he was in tune with recruits, and thus got a lot of the guys that he wanted. It sounds like Stu has heard the griping from area coaches who weren't ready for the shift in what recruits want. I'm sure they will change, they will have to. But the SD media has turned NDSU into this bad guy, when really maybe they should get a little critical about their local DI coaches.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

But the SD media has turned NDSU into this bad guy, when really maybe they should get a little critical about their local DI coaches.

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I disagree that the SD media has turned NDSU into the bad guy, don't generalize SD media with SF media. They aren't representative of all of us.:ranting: :mad: :fight::ranting: :mad: :fight:

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Originally Posted by Blue

I disagree that the SD media has turned NDSU into the bad guy, don't generalize SD media with SF media. They aren't representative of all of us.:ranting: :mad: :fight::ranting: :mad: :fight:

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I apologize, I only meant the kool aid drinkers in the SF media. That town could really use a McFeely or Reusse type of columnist to shake things up a bit.

Don't feel special Bison fans, Stu spreads his hate out fairly evenly amongst the local DI colleges.

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Originally Posted by heckler_of_the_north

Thought blitzkrieg would be more appropriate in describing NDSU's recruiting philosophy :p

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Much better analogy.

I don't mind Stu's rhetoric. Helps to build and fuel the rivalry.

I know I am going to catch a lot of hell for telling you all this, but I feel some strange need to do so.

When my buddy Mike Breske got to NDSU we had lunch several weeks in a row while he got accilmated since his family was still back in Laramie. He told me that before spring ball he sat down with Bohl and suggested to him that NDSU change how they were recruiting. Breske said (as close a quote as I can remember) "I told Craig we need to recruit like the big boys in BCS do it", which meant getting more kids in the camps and getting early verbals.

Breske told me Bohl had been thinking along the same lines but hadn't really formalized in his mind how it might be done, but readily agreed they needed to change things up.

So, I know Breske is hated pretty well on this board, but he told me from day one that he wanted NDSU to change the way they recruited and that it was an easy sell to Bohl. So, I am convinced that this new approach was Breske's idea, not Bohl's. I don't think the appearance of Breske and the change in recruiting from one year to the next is a coincidence.

Flame on gentlemen, and ladies...

I don't think Breske is hated. Just that he was not the right fit here at NDSU. If it was him who brought the change in recruiting style.:cheers: :cheers:

Everybody brings good and bad items and I would hope the coaches learned and implement a few of the good things he brought while here. He just didn't run the D that NDSU has based its program on and they were not ready to go with all out change in D Philosophy.

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Originally Posted by Blue

I disagree that the SD media has turned NDSU into the bad guy, don't generalize SD media with SF media. They aren't representative of all of us.:ranting: :mad: :fight::ranting: :mad: :fight:

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Well I disagree with you. SD Media, the SD university fans here, and the public in general have a dislike for ND and NDSU. Much of it has to do with the a$$ kicking the SD university teams continually received on the football field from NDSU and later UND. The people here also like to poke fun at ND in many ways and its is kind of funny cause it is often like the pot calling the kettle black.

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Originally Posted by BisonNeil

So, I know Breske is hated pretty well on this board, but he told me from day one that he wanted NDSU to change the way they recruited and that it was an easy sell to Bohl. So, I am convinced that this new approach was Breske's idea, not Bohl's. I don't think the appearance of Breske and the change in recruiting from one year to the next is a coincidence.

Flame on gentlemen, and ladies...

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I am not surprised that Breske played a role in revamping our recruiting strategy. I do think it is always a little tricky to attribute a big idea to one individual in a group.

Now, can someone explain why our defense appeared to be so disorganized and passive last season?

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Originally Posted by BisonNeil

I know I am going to catch a lot of hell for telling you all this, but I feel some strange need to do so.

When my buddy Mike Breske got to NDSU we had lunch several weeks in a row while he got accilmated since his family was still back in Laramie. He told me that before spring ball he sat down with Bohl and suggested to him that NDSU change how they were recruiting. Breske said (as close a quote as I can remember) "I told Craig we need to recruit like the big boys in BCS do it", which meant getting more kids in the camps and getting early verbals.

Breske told me Bohl had been thinking along the same lines but hadn't really formalized in his mind how it might be done, but readily agreed they needed to change things up.

So, I know Breske is hated pretty well on this board, but he told me from day one that he wanted NDSU to change the way they recruited and that it was an easy sell to Bohl. So, I am convinced that this new approach was Breske's idea, not Bohl's. I don't think the appearance of Breske and the change in recruiting from one year to the next is a coincidence.

Flame on gentlemen, and ladies...

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If Bohl had already been thinking along those lines how could it have been Breskes idea?????:confused:

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

If Bohl had already been thinking along those lines how could it have been Breskes idea?????:confused:

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Because there is a difference between thinking about doing something and actually doing it. Big difference.

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Originally Posted by BisonNeil

Because there is a difference between thinking about doing something and actually doing it. Big difference.

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Doesn't mean Bohl didn't have the "idea"...

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Originally Posted by BisonNeil

Because there is a difference between thinking about doing something and actually doing it. Big difference.

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Since Breske is gone how is he involved in actually doing it?

But that has nothing to do with the idea thing of which you admitted that it was something Bohl had been thinking about.

Now since you think it was Breskes idea and he implemented this strategy and you are really good buddies with him you go ahead and run with that.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Since Breske is gone how is he involved in actually doing it?

But that has nothing to do with the idea thing of which you admitted that it was something Bohl had been thinking about.

Now since you think it was Breske idea and he implemented this strategy and you are really good buddies with him you go ahead and run with that.

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I don't think Breske is hated. Now, let's see how we do this fall. If things stay the same, it is all on Bohl. If they get better, Breske may have been partially at fault for the defense. Now, special teams were all Babich's fault.*



*Yes, I said Babich...because nothing could possibly be Bohl's fault.

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Originally Posted by TransAmBison

I don't think Breske is hated. Now, let's see how we do this fall. If things stay the same, it is all on Bohl. If they get better, Breske may have been partially at fault for the defense. Now, special teams were all Babich's fault.*



*Yes, I said Babich...because nothing could possibly be Bohl's fault.

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Agreed. I also think the most interesting, and generally overlooked, fact between Bohl and Breske, is Grant Olson's comments about them. He straight up said, "Bohl called me first to tell me they were letting Breske go...". It could be nothing, but it could tell us a lot about the situation as a whole...

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Originally Posted by TransAmBison

I don't think Breske is hated. Now, let's see how we do this fall. If things stay the same, it is all on Bohl. If they get better, Breske may have been partially at fault for the defense. Now, special teams were all Babich's fault.*



*Yes, I said Babich...because nothing could possibly be Bohl's fault.

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I dont think he is hated either. The situation just wasnt right for him or the Bison. It happenes. You move on.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

I dont think he is hated either. The situation just wasnt right for him or the Bison. It happenes. You move on.

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Situation not right? After one year? Seriously, that was too early to tell. Given his track record I find it very hard to believe he was the weak link. We will see next season. Just seems funny.

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Originally Posted by TransAmBison

Situation not right? After one year? Seriously, that was too early to tell. Given his track record I find it very hard to believe he was the weak link. We will see next season. Just seems funny.

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I totally agree with you, I highly doubt Breske had full reins of the D. I'm sure he was doing it Bohl's way.

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Originally Posted by TransAmBison

Situation not right? After one year? Seriously, that was too early to tell. Given his track record I find it very hard to believe he was the weak link. We will see next season. Just seems funny.

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Ever had a new employee come in that just didnt fit?
Breske came in late and left early. For what ever reason it didnt work.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Ever had a new employee come in that just didnt fit?
Breske came in late and left early. For what ever reason it didnt work.

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When that new employee has the experience and track record of Breske? Give me a break. You love to argue, but you don't have a leg to stand on here. Just bow out of this one...you've got nothin'.*





*I like to argue too.:D

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Originally Posted by TransAmBison

When that new employee has the experience and track record of Breske? Give me a break. You love to argue, but you don't have a leg to stand on here. Just bow out of this one...you've got nothin'.*

*I like to argue too.:D

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:D Argue??? Naw just find it strange on how apologetic some have gotten since he left. Many were calling for his head considering the abysmal performance of the D last year. Then when hes gone the poor performance wasnt his fault????? He was the DC.
If he was a good fit he would still be coaching the Bison.
He was a last minute hire to fill a need at the time. IMO of course:D

I don't want to add more thread drift, but...

Commenting on how much controll Breske had over the defense, I'm under the impression it was a lot. Maybe I'm wrong.

After the season I think Bohl told Breske that he had to make some big changes, probably give up some power, let Bohl call more shots. Breske said he rather leave than be told what to do.

Just an internet theory of mine...likely wrong

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Originally Posted by imported_Da_bison

I totally agree with you, I highly doubt Breske had full reins of the D. I'm sure he was doing it Bohl's way.

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Doubt it. Coach Bohl provides the framework and then lets his coaches do what they were hired for. I'll never forget the number of times Coach Bohl would look up at the pressbox in the FargoDome after another Defensive blunder. By the way, thats were Breske was!!

Yeah, I remember hearing in the preseason that Bohl even let Breske work on some 3-4 stuff. So lets not sit here and act like Bohl made Breske do things that didn't work.

That said, I do think a legit gripe for Breske is talent and injuries, I doubt even Monte Kiffen could have made what we had into something that was even average at best.

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Originally Posted by TransAmBison

Situation not right? After one year? Seriously, that was too early to tell. Given his track record I find it very hard to believe he was the weak link. We will see next season. Just seems funny.

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yeah he had a good track record but our players been told to do one thing since they've been here then Breske came in and tried adding stuff and doing some things different. They hadn't been told to do a 3-4 D from what I can remember well that last scrimmage they had I didn't know it wasn't open to the public until I was a few blocks away and talked to someone on the phone and asked if they were going and he told me that it was closed to the public, media, etc. Well being I had already made the trip there to watch I got there and watched for about 2 hrs until someone came to my car and leave, well I saw them working on a 3-4 Defense that day. So, I know Breske was trying different things on top of our other stuff I'd assume and what I saw from our D was a very confused D and players uncertain for where they should be and weren't always in the right places.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Ever had a new employee come in that just didnt fit?
Breske came in late and left early. For what ever reason it didnt work.

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He didn't work out he's gone.

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Originally Posted by NDSUFan_Sav

yeah he had a good track record but our players been told to do one thing since they've been here then Breske came in and tried adding stuff and doing some things different. They hadn't been told to do a 3-4 D from what I can remember well that last scrimmage they had I didn't know it wasn't open to the public until I was a few blocks away and talked to someone on the phone and asked if they were going and he told me that it was closed to the public, media, etc. Well being I had already made the trip there to watch I got there and watched for about 2 hrs until someone came to my car and leave, well I saw them working on a 3-4 Defense that day. So, I know Breske was trying different things on top of our other stuff I'd assume and what I saw from our D was a very confused D and players uncertain for where they should be and weren't always in the right places.

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wasn't Breske known for a 3-4 defense??? its not a secret that thats what he used and WON with so Bohl knew what he would bring to the table! I doubt any of us will know the exact reason why he left so soon, and it doesn't really matter.

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Originally Posted by tjbison

wasn't Breske known for a 3-4 defense??? its not a secret that thats what he used and WON with so Bohl knew what he would bring to the table! I doubt any of us will know the exact reason why he left so soon, and it doesn't really matter.

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It does matter.........because if it was due to issues with the way Bohl was telling Breske how to run the defense, or the talent on the field and how smart they are, there will still be defensive shortcomings next year.

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Originally Posted by SDbison

It does matter.........because if it was due to issues with the way Bohl was telling Breske how to run the defense, or the talent on the field and how smart they are, there will still be defensive shortcomings next year.

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yeah i guess your right, my point is no matter this year we have Bohl and a group of good looking recruits so fretting over Breske isn't going to change anything. But like I said if they were surprised that Breske brought a 3-4 they must not have interviewed him as everyone who followed UM and UWYO football knows he had 3-4's

sorry but Breske was horrible last year. Look at shsu game. seriously make some frickin adjustments. even the last game of the year vs ysu on that td and 2 point conversion. our db was lined up completely wrong, and that is unacceptable in the last game of the year. guys were always out of position. and when you don't have the talent to go man to man, use cover 2. also, isu game, make a sceme adjustment to stop the swing pass. how many yards did that receiver have. unacceptable. good luck montana.

you can rip Bohl for hiring Breske, but don't rip Bohl for the shit job Breske did. Bohl did the right thing by letting him go. he never fit in here, and both parties are better off now.

When we play Montana in a couple of years, I feel pretty good about us winning the offense (Vigen) vs defense (Breske) chess match in that one.

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Originally Posted by TransAmBison

Situation not right? After one year? Seriously, that was too early to tell. Given his track record I find it very hard to believe he was the weak link. We will see next season. Just seems funny.

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The situation wasn't right. Breske likes 3-4 while we run and recruit kids for a 4-3 tampa two.

You need completely different athletes to run his scheme. Not a good fit at all.

We will see what Montana does as they run a tampa two also....

If a recruit decides to start school in the summer can they participate in the off season conditioning etc. with the team?

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Originally Posted by westnodak93bison

If a recruit decides to start school in the summer can they participate in the off season conditioning etc. with the team?

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I don't believe they even have to start school. They just have to find a place to live in town since the dorms aren't open. This is the way it was back in the day before the transition. Doubt it changed but it could have.

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Originally Posted by steelbison

The situation wasn't right.

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The Situation is always right. G-T-L, Gym-Tanning-Laundry.

(Your probably lucky if you don't get this reference)

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Originally Posted by MN_BISON

Why would what NDSU did in recruiting this year change how Stig and SDSU recruit kids? I mean according to Bobo they never offered or really recruited the two SD players that signed with NDSU. If everything is working out so well down in Brookings, why change? Am I missing something here? :confused: Also, I do think Stu is trying to bash the Bison just like coach what's his name from USD and he did during a live blog not to long ago.

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To give some people something interesting to discuss, thereby giving me something that's fun to read. I just love a good conspiracy. Next silly question...:bow:

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Originally Posted by Grizzled

I don't believe they even have to start school. They just have to find a place to live in town since the dorms aren't open. This is the way it was back in the day before the transition. Doubt it changed but it could have.

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I do think that they have to start taking classes in order to participate in the summer off season training.

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Originally Posted by roadwarrior

I do think that they have to start taking classes in order to participate in the summer off season training.

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You could be right road. I know up until a few years ago that wasn't the case. Also the current players don't have to be enrolled in summer classes and all workouts are voluntary under NCAA rules so I don't know. Sounds like a question for Hammer.