They are probably the exact same crowd that didn't want to go DI.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU1980
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They are probably the exact same crowd that didn't want to go DI.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU1980
https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ll-sources-say
Texas state walks from MWC talks
From the outside of Bisonland looking in, pretending Tarleton is NDSU 20 years ago is laughable. Tarleton isn't in the top 10 pecking order in Texas. Most people in the state have no idea who Tarleton is, or where they are located. I suggest you turn your TV on, watch a home Tarleton game. Very D2 looking team, fanbase, stadium. The fact people tie them to a MWC move is pretty funny. We will see, but I believe the red herring posts long before the post stating the MWC are serious about adding them.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Much like Sam Houston, “tarleton” isn’t even a state bro.
What’s wrong with Texas?
Didn't I say:
Texas St wants PAC.
MWC wants Texas St.
Tarleton was a lever, a pawn: Texas State join us or we'll give that slot to ...
But Moorhead is a whole other state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
I've found this on a few sites but nothing on ESPN, Fox Sports, CBS Sports. I didn't think Bleacher Report was satire.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...s-20-divisions
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That’s all quite possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Now Texas St publicly said no to MW though, so guess we will find out what MW’s true plan B is after Texas St.
I *hope* it’s not Tarleton or SHSU. But the conferences sure love to take any program with a heartbeat from Texas. They all want to be there. Will UTEP be enough for MW? Did they promise UTEP a partner?
This is coming, just a matter of how quickly. The P4 do not want to be linked to the rest of the G5 rabble.Quote:
Originally Posted by IndyBison
It may be whenever this occurs, that will be our real opening to move up.
No, you were saying that college presidents want students and recruiting and therefore they wanted Tarleton lolQuote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
New mexico is uteps partner? Albuquerque is near el paso, dallas/houston aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
The concept of texas distances seem to elude almost everyone. El paso may as well be in california.
The distance from el paso to dallas is less than 100 miles different than el paso to san diego. San diego is closer to el paso, than Houston is to el paso by around 30 miles.
El paso to houston is 750 miles
El paso to san diego is 720 miles.
El paso to dallas is 640 miles.
El paso to denver is 635 miles.
El paso to albuquerque is 250 miles.
Ahh yes, I see no problem of allowing promotion yet not allowing relegation lolQuote:
Originally Posted by IndyBison
It’s only temporary “promotion” under that plan unless you belong to the P4 cartel. It’s not clear this will actually be offered at all. Another feature of this plan was that the P4 keep 94% of the money, and share only 6% with G5Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
The P4 really just want to cement their own status as upper tier schools. They don’t really want to grow that club, they want to shrink it.
What all of the various plans have in common is they enshrine some set or subset of P2/P4 as the “super conference” elite and lock those doors so no one else can share the same status or money.
UTEP fits nicely with the MW. Any other option is problematic. NMSU may get the call but there are any number of issues with the school. I think the MW will look for other schools. It could be from the FCS ranks. However, if Hawaii signs on as a full member they do not have to add anybody as a full member. I think NIU and Toledo are still in the picture for football only. The MW is going to keep the 8 football conference games. That would mean NIU and Toledo would only have to go out of their time zone for 3 football games. They would always play each other for that 4th road game. That is not particularly onerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
I think they would take a look at nearby oly sports only schools to help out with scheduling and to have a full slate for the various sports.
The concept of travel partners is not really in effect any more.
Or the door will slam shut for a very long time. Right now I'd put my money on the latter.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
But it's our geography that keeps us out because ... travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Yeah go fuck yourself Fargo. You're just small time north dakotans pretending to be a big city. Losers.
Any chance we go CUSA or MAC?
I'd speculate this round of shuffling would need to sort out and then if CUSA or MAC are hit, yes, they'll go looking. But will they look FCS or north of St Louis.Quote:
Originally Posted by heckler
Scottie, buddy, pal, I thought that was a key "barn" retail outlet. Don't harsh the customers. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by scottietohottie
I would imagine if there are openings we would.Quote:
Originally Posted by heckler
Problem with CUSA is it is known who they will backfill with, and it’s very unlikely to come our direction. Way too many southeast schools want in. Tarleton is near the very top of that list.
MAC I’m more optimistic on. They simply don’t have as many good options in the northeast, either with FBS or FCS. Only a few schools come to mind that they could engage before looking our way.
I think it’s very unlikely either conference does something crazy like add Sacramento St. The travel costs are significant for both conferences, and their media deals don’t support that. Even MW reaching to Toledo and NIU is surprising, but that conference has historically traveled more, and has a much better media deal at the moment. It could be seen as a jump in revenue and exposure for those 2 schools.
PAC pressing the pause button.
https://x.com/bmarcello/status/18415...ad-998414.html
2 weeks to 3 months is the estimated timeframe for the evaluation.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
I'm glad they realized Bisonville needed more time to form an FBS committee.
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Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Looks like they are trying to evaluate who they can afford/lure to join.
If the money is big enough, they may take another run at AAC schools, otherwise they will fall back to someone like a Texas St.
The perfect world for them would be to get a contingent offer or two in hand from the media companies.
I don't see a path for PAC to directly bubble thru to us, unless they can poach another MW school. But I think those schools are locked down with a GoR now. So we need to see if MW will add us, or poach from MAC and create openings there.
They are running some numbers so they can show Memphis the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Quite likely, but I suspect their media deal won't be as lucrative as they hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Will be interesting what they get. Obviously probably less than half of what the PAC12 was going to get, but they have less schools so there may be some balancing in their favor there.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Memphis is never going unless the PAC doesn’t force them to sign a commitment. And even then I don’t think they’d just for less than double what they get from the AAC.
Their goal like all top AAC schools is to be ready for a date to the ACC prom when FSU and Clemson try their jailbreak to the SEC.
The numbers will tell them if they are realistically shopping for Memphis, UTSA, UNT, Texas St, USM, or all of the above. PAC will most likely target some set of AAC and/or SBC schools at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
I think MW schools may be unobtainable now. They only go shopping at CUSA if the shit really hits the fan. Less than 1% the PAC glances at FCS schools at all. MAC would also surprise me, though the MW surprised me there already, so maybe they also chase Toledo and NIU depending what happens.
.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Toledo is famous for being the hometown of Cpr. Klinger of MASH fame. It was/is the butt and punchline of many jokes during MASH's run. Suddenly, it's become this huge, magnificent media market that's garnering scrutiny from the gutted PAC. When the hell did this happen??? and, more importantly, why????
These schools don't even really need to be in a major media market, just adjacent to it these days. I mean Tarleton is in city of 21k a 100 miles from Dallas and it is in a major media market I guess. I've been to Dallas 10+ times and I never heard anyone even mention the place.
Starting to think if NDSU was 3 miles east and was Minnesota State, people would be saying we are in the Minneapolis market.
The states of Ohio and Michigan damn near went to war over Toledo.Quote:
Originally Posted by southcliffbison
I agree with you. I imagine there's 6 lanes of traffic; all vehicles headed southwest toward Stephenville from the DFW metro area Saturday mornings on game day.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Thank you for that history tidbit; OK, I'll bite. Why would states go to war over Toledo? Please inform us.Quote:
Originally Posted by LITTLEGUYSINGREEN
I think the Tarleton, Sam Houston, Texas State plan blew up when TXST said no. I guess Sac State might be in the mix but other than being in a big city that pays no attention to them, they don't offer much. They have a nice airport in town..That helps. As far as the schools that have been publicly mentioned as candidates Tarleton has by far the best facilities.. Sac State has talked about spending money some day. Tarleton is spending huge money right now. They are going to be a force in CUSA soon. Or maybe the Belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledo_WarQuote:
Originally Posted by southcliffbison
The running joke is they fought over Toledo and Ohio lost.
That's the $64M question, right? As of today the PAC doesn't have a media deal for 2026 forward. Over $100M in exit fees and poaching penalties was just spent rebuilding the PAC. A $10M+ each deal makes that worthwhile. What if they don't get that? $6-7M is basically a wash with some level of buyer's regret. <$6M is a disaster. $0 is apocalyptic.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
PAC currently has a 1 year contract with the CW(wtf?) for an undisclosed(probably terrible) amount. If PAC had a $10M media deal the AAC schools would have jumped. They didn't, so until they do, they don't. Also a huge sign ESPN isn't going to bid big. They could have made the AAC->PAC work, but they didn't.
Gonzaga playing in your gym every year is worth something.
I'm going to guess the PAC will sweeten the pot for Memphis a bit and Memphis will demand a deal that gives them a free out to the ACC or Big 12 if an offer comes. That is the PAC's real problem, the ACC is a timebomb and these AAC schools don't want to be committed to any league when it blows.
I live here and have never heard of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Gonzaga is one of the best programs in the country since 2000. That's big moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
NCAA tournament runner-up
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And they are in the seattle vancouver nyc chicago LA miami media market. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Jokes aside, I'm sure their basketball media deal is worth like 25x what any other team in the pac contributes for basketball. The question is, does that offset no football for the media deal?