The jump to $42 million will have to come from a multiple sources...donors, media revenue, institutional funds, money games, etc.
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The jump to $42 million will have to come from a multiple sources...donors, media revenue, institutional funds, money games, etc.
Student fees are actually only 10% of the total. UND also offers a significantly more balanced M:F ratio for opportunities (both in scholarships and direct expenses), which come at a higher cost as female opportunities don't drive much revenue. If the students didn't support it anymore, they could reduce the fees.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
NDSU does remain impressive, but when they are getting $5 million line item bailouts from the state government to cover their general operations, I don't think there is a lot of wiggle room to use additional general funds for athletics.
As a general comparison to D1 non-privates, NDSU makes the top quartile and should be commended on that. UND is in the top 1/3 for least percentage of allocated funds covering their budget. Room for improvement but not what I'm going to worry about at this point given additional factors.
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Originally Posted by abc123
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There is zero talk of NDSU using internal funds to fund a move. That is exactly why it is feasible, not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by abc123
Thing is, people in the know are saying we've done this already. Its actually pretty common for the leaks and rumors to stay quiet until the discussions get heated and its close to happening. And right now the conferences are focused on picking off FBS teams first.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gopher24
Screaming it more publicly and loudly doesn't necessarily change anything. Our position has already been signalled thru folks like Izzo and McFeely.
Hopefully the right people know bro. Not just the Fargo media getting smoke up their ass.
Maybe the NIU and Toledo football only invites have something to do with the eventual football only invites for the XDSUs? LOL I guy can dream right? Everything else is upside down right now anyway.
Much of the frustration comes from the fact that because of the lack of groundwork that has been previously laid, they have put themselves in a position that not much can be done now. I don't view them as innocent "victims" of this situation. They contributed to the current situation and should be held accountable for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Shamelessly stolen from another (not UND) forum:
Once again, this forum *vastly* *vastly* *VASTLY* overrates how much FBS leagues want to have FCS call ups. This forum also *vastly* *vastly* *VASTLY* underrates how much of a negative the locations of the Dakota and Montana schools work against them even for leagues considering FCS call ups. Look at the latest two call-ups of Delaware and Missouri State which are in the middle of highly populated regions. The last round of FCS call-ups featured Texas, North Carolina, Georgia and Virginia schools. This forum also perpetually overrates bus driving distances for geography and underrates ease of major airport access and commercial flights (which is much more meaningful, particularly for Western-based leagues).
I'm fascinated by the media piece of all this in a dying linear TV world. I have an extremely difficult time believing a Sam Houston St game gets as many eyeballs as an NDSU game. The regional sports networks are dying, so just counting on folks passively paying cable bills, is over.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
If your conference shares all media rights/revenues being the worst market is OK, but does the conference want you? Conversely if you're the best market you don't want to share those rights/revenues. It's the old 'never be the best or worst house on the block' problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
If markets mean so much, why are NDSU's TV numbers constantly pretty damn good? If you are trying to draw ratings and exposure for your conference it takes more than just being a school in some giant market. Your brand can carry clout and bring exposure and revenue to a conference, NDSU has that. I think our admin does a piss poor job of leveraging that fact.
And you know this how?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Anyone who doubts that they’re actively trying and positioning needs to go read what the infamous lakesbison is posting on the MWC fan forum. It’s like he took drugs and became a different person … lol
Neither NIU nor Toledo has yet received an offer from the MWC
Go Bison!!
Sounds like the same lakes to meQuote:
lakesbison said:
NDSU is better SUBSTANTIALLY then ALL 4 of those PUDS... the ONLY reason NDSU isn't invited is because MWC presidents/AD's don't want NDSU to walk in and be BIG DOG on Day 1. jealously.
Yeah i could tell who it was before reading who wrote it lolQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Love how that board just has 5 concurrent expansion threads all going. Woof
C'mon guys. It's not that hard to be optimistic, try it once and you might like itQuote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
"Yes booster club/NIL wants 100% to go FBS as does Coaching Staff's. The Pres/AD can't publicly come out and say it for political reasons.... but trust me its 100% a go and NDSU can go alone! "
This..At the moment there is just some preliminary discussions. One distinction, Gloria Nevarez informed the MAC that these discussions were coming. That doesn't always happen. I am somewhat intrigued by this possibility. If both schools accepted they would only have 3 road games outside the CST as they would play each other every year. Football only is not particularly expensive or taxing. Olympic sports travel is expensive and logistically tougher.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Griz fans speaking the truth about what staying in FCS means....
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If UM truly has zero desire to advance the athletic dept then just make an official announcement. Hey we are happy just right where we are. We will ride this ship in any direction it takes us. Yes even if that might be in the third tier of college football.
If UM has no growth aspirations then really stop spending millions on facilities. What’s the point then really. Why waste the money competing at a level that makes no money. Just to hope we can beat Western Washington and other DIV II teams along with Northern Colorado, Portland State etc we will be grouped with.
It just seems we are happy sitting on our hands.
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This is how I feel too. It seems a waste to add on to the stadium, build a bubble, invest all this money in student athlete centers and weight rooms just to compete with schools playing on high school fields.
Maybe this is the direction Montana wants to go, in which case, good luck to them.
But the reason they won't make that announcement is that all the money will dry up real quick
Toledo and NIU are being mentioned before NDSU as potential adds to the MWC. Explain to me how that happens if NDSU has laid the groundwork of preparing us for an FBS invite.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
It does not. Ndsu is obviously not REALLY in consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Its ironic really, this is the best chance we've had in a decade, and people all act like its doomsday because they are kicking the tires on other FBS schools first.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
We were never going to get invited to G5 conferences other than MW or MAC, and now there could be opportunities with both. This all takes time for the conferences, but when they start looking at FCS additions, we will be near the top of that list.
IF this time it doesn't work out, then I'd understand the anger and frustration. But the process is still early.
Hey look I get it our admin has determined that playing coy with everyone, especially our own stakeholders, is the best way to move forward to an invite. But they also gotta realize this is different than seemingly all of our competition for an invite so they’re going to catch hell for appearing like they’re doing nothing. It is what it is, they’re doing their job and fans are doing theirs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
They made their decision and if it turns out they’re right, I’ll be the first to line up to eat crow. I’ll also be the first to say that I’ve been told they’ve had deep convos with the MW in the past so I know they’ve done something at some point. But they’re putting a lot of pressure on a very frustrated fan base.
Absolutely! They own every aspect of this. If they get an FBS invite, they get the credit. If they don’t, they have a 50 million dollar practice facility, declining performance of a large number of programs and no clear path to an FBS invite. If I’m wrong I’ll admit it. It’s just telling to me when what’s leaked is every single FBS team is ahead of us in the pecking order and 2-3 FCS as well. Doesn’t bode well unless there’s “chaos”. That seems ridiculous. If that was our realistic path to FBS a $50 million dollar practice facility is an absolute waste of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
This is your evidence???? Two FBS teams named in front of an FCS team? So it was made up bullshit. Again.You have no clue what has been going on behind the scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Do we have an FBS invite? No. Do we have a legitimate D1 athletic department? No. We have a $50 million dollar practice facility that doesn’t move the needle on an FBS invite and a basketball program that isn’t impressing anyone either. Explain how what my eyes see are wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
And you know this how? You dont and its nothing more that an uninformed opinion. Just as the first post I responded to. You treat your opinion as fact even though you dont have the knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Had an interesting conversation with Gene Taylor about the the transition to FCS. Want to know what the most difficult and surprising was to him??? The administrative requirements and the additional requirements and for the next move. The practice facility and all the other improvements are pieces of the puzzle. They dont have to be grandiose to be laying the ground work. There is so much more that you dont have a clue about.
My opinion is opinion. Im not really concerned if you agree with it. I am a fan and an “investor” in the program. If I’m uninformed I think that’s an indictment of leadership as well. They need as many of us as possible to buy in. There is no invite yet and NDSU is a ways down on the pecking order. Even with all the movement. That’s quite telling to me. If NDSU doesn’t get an invite this round, what’s the plan to renew fan engagement moving forward? What’s the plan to solidify the budget so that we can continue to build for the future? If I have to guess, I’m not putting money towards it. I think a lot of fans feel the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
Do think it’s possible yall are both right. To 56’s point, I’ve been told work has been done by the department to get something done. I think most with any level of access to the athletic department are more calm about it because they’ve heard some details of work that has been done in the past. Frankly speaking I’ve been told by multiple sources I very much trust that on multiple occasions, an invite was essentially imminent only to evaporate at the last minute.
To BigLakes’s point, it’s been 6+ years of “trust us we’re working on it but we can’t talk about it”. Understandable but for the average fan who doesn’t have that access but still donates thousands and is getting overcharged on tickets, that is only going to work for so long. Those people are starting to leave in droves and it will significantly hurt our programs if it continues like it has.
In the past I and others would get rebuked pretty bad on here when we criticized the lack of communication coming from the athletic department on FBS. Those people could never understand that my point wasn’t about letting FBS conferences know about our intentions, it was about letting our fan base know what our vision is moving forward. It was trying to avoid this exact current situation where attendance and interest are plummeting because people have no idea the direction we are going or trying to go. It would’ve been very helpful now if they would’ve laid down some of that transparency in the past, and if we don’t get an invite during this round of shuffling, open communication is an absolute, absolute must. Otherwise we’ll see the bottom fall out on fan interest.
I will say that if you're frustrated about NDSU's action or inaction when it comes to an FBS move it does about as much good to rant about it on Bisonville as it does to sit in Matt Larsen's office and wait for the phone to ring from the MWC. Let the people who need to know know how you feel, they're not hard to reach.
The FCS to FBS aspiration list has got to be getting pretty small at this point. The only ones who have publicly stated interest that I can remember are below. Everybody else has already left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gopher24
EKU
Tarleton
Sac
UC Davis
Chatty
Illinois State
Albany
SFA
I guess I'm fascinated that folks think the athletic administration needs to do even more to be public about this. They have leaked intentions to the media, over and over and over if people will just listen. Further, Matt Larsen continually talks about how these things are done and that they won't be giving blow by blows of what is happening. I guess I'm just not following the expectations. If you want this to blow up in everyone's face, best way to do it would be a public, over the top campaign stating intentions crystal clear. The political blowback would be swift, and could turn off the conferences as well. Yep, I'm frustrated too, but this is clearly something they appear to be doing the right way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
You hit the nail on the head. The next time your having trouble sleeping, go look at the SDSU, UND, Montana State or even Illinois State campus master plan, (specifically the athletic portion) and then look at ours. Hint: We don't have one or at least a publicly available one. They all have plans for FBS athletic facilities. Are all of them realistic??? Who knows, but they are laying the ground work.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
You realize that on field/court performance is like 10th on the list when conferences look to add schools. Its not European soccer league relegation. If that were the case, we would have been FBS by 2015! Suck of hearing that people think the administration isn’t doing anything to promote or position themselves for an FBS invite. With all do respect, how the hell do you know?! Are you in meetings at the SHAC? Do you have Matt Larsen’s phone bugged? They aren’t going to say anything publicly one way or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Bros! It's fucking game day. Quit distracting little bros. Time to win the valley. Or finish in the middle of the pack eh. Go Bison
It’s coming along nicely, athletics and campus.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKBison
Matt is good at other stuff.
The guy you keep saying they’re leaking stuff to in the media has written columns saying he doesn’t even know if NDSU is interested lol what stuff has been “leaked to the media”? There has not been one private conversation or factoid that anyone from Fargo has had the scoop on, that’s for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
I guess it’s equally fascinating that people can see what’s going on with fan support and come away with a rosy opinion on how things are being handled.
Again, no one’s asking for an “over the top campaign” in your words. I mean are UTEP, NM state, UC Davis and sac state all collectively in the wrong, then? Only we’re smart enough to handle things this way? Funny part is none of them have rabid fan bases like NDSU.
Speak for yourself. Pretty sure lakes and i wanted to send a stripper inside a green and gold cake to the fbs conferences eh.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
You think that every college is in the same situation, politically, as NDSU? Seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92