Hawaii sniffing for options now:
https://x.com/ESPNHonolulu/status/18...6-page-32.html
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Hawaii sniffing for options now:
https://x.com/ESPNHonolulu/status/18...6-page-32.html
Now all they have to offer is..."Come play for NDSU, we are one of the big dogs in the junior division"Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
No, it's long past time for the next chapter.
Umm is ESPN Honolulu a real thing? If it is, doing things like citing Reddit as a source, I’m doubting it will be much longer lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
“Reaching out to Conference USA” lol not one school in that conference is flying to Hawaii unless they’re getting paid a million bucks to do so
This 100%. I very much highly doubt there are any recruits or current players who wouldn’t be excited about NDSU going into the next level. If competing for championships is what we want to do let’s drop to the NSIC then, they’ll LOVE how much winning we can do at that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
In today's landscape, you need to assume every recruit 's goal is to play FBS and possibly make 6 figures per year. Even middle of the pack or lower pack G5 teams can pay a great FCS player close to 6 figures per year, no problem. Thats not including endorsement deals either - just NIL collectives.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
99.9% of FCS guys will never play in the NFL, so why would they not jump ship immediately to make a few hundred K before they are 22, by transferring to FBS.
Take for example Marty Brown - you don't think FBS schools will be looking at him this offseason, if he crushes it this year? Why would the kid stick around at NDSU, when he can get 6 figures for the next 3 years at FBS? He'd be stupid to stay here in all honesty. Unless we are forking over 100k/year for him to do so.
Reaching out doesn't mean the call gets returned. They did an OOC deal with SHSU though, so may have AD level connections.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
ESPN "radio network" has a large number of local market affiliates across the US, including the Fan here in Fargo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...dio_affiliates
https://www.youtube.com/@ESPNHonolulu
If that's a spoof account, they work awfully hard at it
One story I read said AFA was given $10 million as a signing bonus for the MOU and staying in the MWC. Maybe put a 10-day hold on that check?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Does that really change for players in a MWC that is a shell of what it used to be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
Not saying you are wrong, but want to see the data to back that claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
*might* make it easier to swipe some players that otherwise would go to a SDSU or MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Retention is actually much harder in G5 due to all the competition. Entire rosters and coaching staffs get swiped after a successful season by those further up the chain. See Troy and FSU this year. They got devastated by the portal and NIL.
Its the same. Its not harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Dellenger talking about MWC dissolving. I sort of doubt this happens unless all MWC members find new homes. PAC doesn’t want all of them, or would have merged to start with.
https://x.com/rossdellenger/status/1...bQhDgWeqSXZc2w
Well, it’s definitely much more expensive. And still normally a losing battle because there is always someone further up the ladder with deeper pockets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
The P2/4 are ruthless in mining all the G5 coaches and players. And the money at play there is at another level of magnitude.
Whoever the G5 rep is this year will be lucky to still have a team for the first round of CFP. Last year a lot of bowl teams were playing with skeleton crews after their players and coaches got harvested.
Same thing as the Pac 12. If the MWC has money whatever schools are left over will use that money to rebuildQuote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Agree, the pundits kept saying the same thing about both CUSA and PAC when they got raided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gopher24
MWC will look completely different when this is all done. But it is very likely to survive.
The first lawsuit has been filed..The PAC is suing to reduce the amount of money going to the MW. Just a guess, poaching and exit fees.. I expect the MW will counter sue.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
We didn’t make any effort to move up for a decade because Bresciani didn’t want to…it’s entirely possible that Cook feels the same way…
Replacing conference schools Indiana St, Murray St, Southern Illinois, and Youngstown St with schools like Wyoming, Hawaii, Montana, and Montana St is a definite upgrade and would excite fans and players alike IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
This is the time where we need a Chapman like visionary type of leader, you need to sell not just to the MWC but also SDSU, Montana and Montana State that this is the right move and we can be the foundation to make a great FBS conference. Montana is extremely conservative when it comes to realignment and SDSU has reasons to like where they are, their FB success is new to them and the conference basketball tournmant being SF is very meaningful to their school.
Instead of a Chapman or a GT, we have ML giving uninspiring answers to going FBS while Cook is nowhere to be found.
With the lawsuits just warming up, this might take a while …
But I expect it to go the same as it did for the PAC2, as others have already chimed in
When the dust settles, the remaining schools in the MWC will rebuild, with FCS call ups being the only real option. A lot will depend on who left standing in the MWC has the most pull – San Jose state will no doubt lobby for Sac State and Davis, not the XDSUs. Maybe there is enough room for all, but we should hope that Wyoming has significant pull in any potential rebuild scenario
The Sunbelt is 100% what you want to mimic if you are serious about FB. The problem is that of the potential MWC survivors, only Wyoming would appear to fall into this category. Apologies to Hawaii but you’re just in an odd category all around, and the rest are the worst of FBS. If you are serious about FB, there is only one way to fix this …
Cook is in a tough spot on multiple fronts, not the least of which is his wife’s health. My personal opinion based on what I’ve heard is that he is indeed pushing this. We came very close before the B1G farted on the PAC in the last cycle, but much of this is out of NDSU’s hands. Some of you seem to have a hard time accepting this fact
On to the redbirds (who I believe are getting looks from the Mac?)
ALL of this sounds exactly right imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Expect it to take significant time to sort out, longer than the fans want. Court cases could make it messy and draw out the timelines, maybe even a year or more.
There are no guarantees, but this is the best opportunity we have had in a very long time.
What's not outside NDSU's hands is their decision to put all their eggs in the football basket and woefully underfund basketball which made the path to FBS even more difficult. NDSU doesn't control their own destiny as far as conference affiliation but to go through as much shakeup as has happened and to not be on any conferences' dance card is at best a miscalculation and at worst a dereliction of duty in regards to doing due diligence on what NDSU needs to accomplish in order to get an invite. Making excuses for past leadership decisions is part of the reason why we are in this position.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Do you know this to be true?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigLakeBison
Have we been invited? Close only matters in horseshoes and hand grenades.Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
If FBS was always a long shot that was totally out of NDSU's control, why continue to throw so much money at it at the expense of a more balanced athletic department? If we were close and the determining factor was solely geography, what could be done to overcome it? If nothing can be done to overcome it, than why not push the Oly sports and force the Summit to chase us so that we make it a much more respected conference for all other sports and hopefully offset some football revenue loss with a revenue gain on that side? Might even make us more attractive for a potential conference upgrade. This seems like simple complacency to what had been working with no vision for trying to position the Ath. Dept. as a more balanced operation. Football no doubt has gained an abundance of notoriety for NDSU but if there is nothing long term really to show for it than I really don't see how you can label that as anything but a missed opportunity.
I really don't know why they didn't pump up wrestling and get working on the big 12 once they got their foot in the door. Even if that didn't pan out it shows the interest and then maybe one of these pud conferences would have offered a while back. Now we're waiting on being the last option for a pud and probably still end up in the second tier D2 anyways. Wrestling is a complete joke, basketball is, and football is working on it.
Like I said. Matt is good at other things. Like hiring assistants and assistant assistants eh.
New Flash:
Even at Bball schools like Kansas, they make more money off football. They fund their football programs generously. Football is always priority #1. That came from Dr. Cook himself at a face to face conversation.
Sunbelt is a great formula. Appalachian, Georgia Southern and JMU are far enough removed from the FCS, people don't even think of them as former FCS. Mix them with Marshall and it's appealing to a casual fanQuote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
NDSU, South Dakota State, Montana and Montana State are equally as impressive as the Sunbelt teams
First off, you are 100% right. And the mwc collective has many voices inside it that have been screeching to add jmu instead of montana, because jmu is fbs and montana is fcs which is beyond fucking stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
There is literally no positive difference between montana/ndsu and jmu. And jmu was fcs like 2 years ago. Id argue that as flagships ndsu/montana has way more potential than jmu. Especially regarding a map...
You mean 22 more scholarships, enough to field an entire offense and defense isn't different?Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
This is something that changes with a flick of a pen. Its meaningless.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Jmu is a 5th teir public school with maxxed out credit cards (student fees). Ndsu is a flagship. Jmu is also basically on the atlantic ocean and this conference exists almost completely in mountain time.
I do wonder if ndsu can afford the scholarships though. 44 more was one thing, but if its like 150 more plus revenue sharing, that might be harder. (I believe football is 105 next year, and a bunch of other sports also ratcheted up the numbers).
Well, thats a new twist I haven't seen posted anywhere yet, at least by any credible sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
1) I don't think that conversation will even remotely occur.
2) Texas St is the only SBC school I think could be in play for MWC. It would come down to money and whether they get some nearby school like UTEP to go with them. CUSA has several western ones that could move, like SHSU, NMSU, UTEP. I don't think its likely the eastern ones will be interested. Unless MWC decides to just buy up CUSA entirely.
So, the better example to use here would be SHSU. And I do agree it would be incredibly stupid if they took SHSU because they are FBS, or for that matter simply because they exist in Texas. Though the whole Texas thing seems to have this inexplicable lure for conferences. I *have* seen Tarleton name dropped in some publications as a potential add for MWC, and that almost made my jaw drop.
JMU would never in a million years move to the Mountain West. The Sunbelt is poised to have a brighter future than the Mountain West.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Join the screeching idiots on facebook lol. Heres 2 examples from today, ive seen jmu brought up at least 10 times between the 2 conferences. The group is a mess now that it represents both conferences.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
https://i.imgur.com/E6SiNq7.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/Z1gF5Mr.jpeg
I don't know who the MW might pursue..I don't know yet if there will be a MW after 2026. The current group is in place for 2 more years . After that any remainders would get a 2 year grace period ala the Pac 2 to rebuild, should they decide to do so. I would say all of the FCS schools who wish to join the MW will have at least 2 years and probably 3 or 4 to ramp up. How they fit or don't fit right now probably doesn't have much bearing. Where the schools are 3 years from now will be important.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
1) Facebook as a source, :rofl:
2) that discussion looks like it was about PAC adding App St and JMU as a pair, which is an entirely different discussion than adding JMU to MWC. PAC has been trying to form a "best of G5" group and went after the best AAC schools as well, including Memphis, Tulane, USF, UTSA. Those schools ultimately said no because the money wasn't good enough to switch. You would see the same result I predict if they try to poach App St & JMU from SBC. But PAC and MWC are two entirely different situations. IF (uncertain), the PAC could sign a monster media deal, and secure the CFP spot, they would be in a position to pick off the top AAC and SBC schools. That simply won't happen with MWC, who almost certainly will be calling up some FCS teams.
Are you thinking/hearing MW will file to get an exemption to the 2 year rule to meet FBS membership requirements? Or do you think they would get to 8 with FBS schools, then add a few FCS as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Its just the most recent 2 screechers to demonstrate. Feel free to dig through the feed of a ridiculously active group with 13,000 posting mwc members. I'm not in the habit of screenshotting every idiot on the internet, so I have to scroll backwards to find posts that havent been deleted or moderated.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
That about sums it up. Pac-12 realignment in a nutshell https://x.com/i/status/1838729711800979497
Nah, I'm good. I'm fairly selective on what rumors I tune into, and look for reporters and others with credible connections to conference decision makers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Twentysix
My neighbors dogs are better sources than the facebook mob.
No idea..There are lawsuits now and that could drag on for awhile. More schools may leave..I just don't think the MW will do much for awhile until the dust settles. As far as FCS vs FBS schools. It depends on who is sticking around. The MW is currently at 7 football schools. They need to have 8. I would assume it will be mostly FBS adds if possible. It really just depends on so many unknowables right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns