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What is the visiting team's ticket allotment in the MAC/MWC? Currently it's 500 for the MVFC, unless I've been misinformed.
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Originally Posted by NDSU_grad

The bolded may have been true ~5 years ago, but the MW isn't what it used to be. Hell, Wyoming has a decent chance to finish in the top half of the conference this year. No Utah, no BYU, no TCU, and it appears Boise St. may be losing some of its luster.

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The conference is a bit down for football but it is full of well supported programs. The second best team in our conference(UNI) didn't exactly look great against a bottom half MWC team in Hawaii. I won't even get into the difference in media coverage, which is beyond massive.

When you compare it to the our other conference the Summit, the step up is well massive.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

ndsu is a top engineering/architect school so let's see it!!

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Sounds legit.

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I have a question for the"""we must move up now""" crowd. Where do we move up to? I dont see any conference invites. Plus you cant force your way in to a conference. You can say we are moving up all you want but if you dont have a conference to play in this is just an exercise in mental masturbation.

And just to stop all the BS of, we could go here or there lets just say NOBODY want NDSU in their conference and we are frozen out.

So what do you FBS pud pounders do now?

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Originally Posted by NDSUguy

Why would the state pay for maintenance? do they pay for the maintenance of the fargodome? I thought that the authority took care of that.

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A new stadium owned by NDSU and paid for 100% by donations would STILL require the approval of the State because responsibility for ongoing maintenance is ultimately on the taxpayers. This was pointed out clearly when Chapman and the Foundation did an end run around the Legislature and SBOHE in acquiring the building that is now Barry Hall. That's another burr under the saddles of some in the Legislature. Any plans to add facilities needs support from solid data or it won't get out of Bismarck. It's something we need to deal with going forward.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

I don't see the state getting in the way if NDSU had the money to build its own stadium all up front, that said I don't think NDSU could built its own stadium without some kind of bonding.

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I would love to see skarpoll lee Carlson kelsch faces when NDSU starts a $100 million PRIVATE FOOTBALL STADIUM DRIVE. Nothing they could do to stop and if they did NDSU fans should have a bison walk at the Capitol

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

I think the MWC is a big step up but I don't see them adding us. It is an upper level G5 conference and a very good basketball conference.

Also not sure where Boise is going to go. Like us they have geography and market issues when you talk about the P5 but on top of that they also have academic issues. The Pac 12 will never touch them, that leaves just the Big 12 and that would make them a big outlier.

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The MWC as a football conference gets little respect nationally. What you said about Boise State reinforces that it's not really a desirable place to land IMO. I used Boise as an example because everybody sees them as the poster child for success and they were invited to join the Big East. The geography of the MWC sucks. Road night games that start at 9:00 locally and aren't over until Midnight mean our football program becomes invisible to most of the region for half of the season. You are 100% correct about basketball. NDSU basketball would be a bottom feeder in the MWC.

NDSU admin needs to SELL THEMSELVES to MWC/MAC. (1000 is visiting team ticket allotment tatanka)

NDSU has never put together a "marketing/promo" piece and sent it to the mountain west presidents desk (or Mac)

You need to egg out there and press some palms!!


(Basketball would be better in the MWC recruits would be much better & we could steal missou valley recruits and maybe a big 10 borderline kid from minn or wisc that wants to stay home

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

I would love to see skarpoll lee Carlson kelsch faces when NDSU starts a $100 million PRIVATE FOOTBALL STADIUM DRIVE. Nothing they could do to stop and if they did NDSU fans should have a bison walk at the Capitol

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You're joking right. Do you have any idea how things work in Bismarck? Going to battle against the Super Majority could set NDSU back decades. Bresciani knows what not to do.

If NDSU raises all the money privately. They can't do squat about it!! they didn't stop the NAZI-IGLOO

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

I have a question for the"""we must move up now""" crowd. Where do we move up to? I dont see any conference invites. Plus you cant force your way in to a conference. You can say we are moving up all you want but if you dont have a conference to play in this is just an exercise in mental masturbation.

And just to stop all the BS of, we could go here or there lets just say NOBODY want NDSU in their conference and we are frozen out.

So what do you FBS pud pounders do now?

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Nothing can be done but to keep on winning and continue to build up our program where we are at. The people that think you can politic your way into a conference are wrong, if they want to add a team they will come to you. Sure our AD and President can gauge their interest but that is about all they can do. No AD we would have hired could convince a a conference to add NDSU, it just doesn't work that way. They need to have interest in expanding and adding you before convincing anyone can happen.

None of these conferences want to add anyone at all, I haven't heard anyone say the MWC is looking to add or the MAC is looking. The Sun Belt is but NDSU going there makes no sense for either party. So yeah we are stuck.

Keep the dome running as normal with construction on the outside of the dome takes place to add a 2nd level of seating. 34 sections 15 rows high with 18 seat across will add 9,180 seats to the capacity of the dome. You can finish out the upper level corners with a pie shape section which should add another xxx number of seat we are now at around 30,000 seats. Once the seats are in and a partial overhang on the upper level take down the roof on the dome and we are ready for play in two years. Up ticket prices across the board and we are golden. FBS is in our future. Balls to the wall. Lets do this.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

If NDSU raises all the money privately. They can't do squat about it!! they didn't stop the NAZI-IGLOO

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Well we should start now because it took us 12 years to raise 30 million for the SHAC. So it's going to take us roughly 30 years to raise 100 million for the stadium we want but in 30 years to build the stadium we want we are going to need to raise 200 million but that will take us 60 years to raise 200 million but in 60 years we are going to need 400 million to build the stadium we want so we'll need to raise.....etc..etc.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

Nothing can be done but to keep on winning and continue to build up our program where we are at. The people that think you can politic your way into a conference are wrong, if they want to add a team they will come to you. Sure our AD and President can gauge their interest but that is about all they can do. No AD we would have hired could convince a a conference to add NDSU, it just doesn't work that way. They need to have interest in expanding and adding you before convincing anyone can happen.

None of these conferences want to add anyone at all, I haven't heard anyone say the MWC is looking to add or the MAC is looking. The Sun Belt is but NDSU going there makes no sense for either party. So yeah we are stuck.

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Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by NorthernBison

The MWC as a football conference gets little respect nationally. What you said about Boise State reinforces that it's not really a desirable place to land IMO. I used Boise as an example because everybody sees them as the poster child for success and they were invited to join the Big East. The geography of the MWC sucks. Road night games that start at 9:00 locally and aren't over until Midnight mean our football program becomes invisible to most of the region for half of the season. You are 100% correct about basketball. NDSU basketball would be a bottom feeder in the MWC.

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I think you are wrong since those road games would be on national TV. I think NDSU football could be a force in the MWC, basketball would struggle but at least you would have a quality conference to sell. Suddenly in the region NDSU basketball would be in a very strong basketball conference and that might allow NDSU to go after a different class of recruit, it would elevate us above most of the other mid-major programs. Again the basketball program would get national TV games much more regularly. I think the MWC would take NDSU athletics to a whole different level.

That said I don't think MWC would give much thought to add NDSU. It is hard to sell schools in California and Nevada that adding a school in North Dakota is a good idea.

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Originally Posted by mr meaty

keep the dome running as normal with construction on the outside of the dome takes place to add a 2nd level of seating. 34 sections 15 rows high with 18 seat across will add 9,180 seats to the capacity of the dome. You can finish out the upper level corners with a pie shape section which should add another xxx number of seat we are now at around 30,000 seats. Once the seats are in and a partial overhang on the upper level take down the roof on the dome and we are ready for play in two years. Up ticket prices across the board and we are golden. Fbs is in our future. Balls to the wall. Lets do this.

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fify. .

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

If NDSU raises all the money privately. They can't do squat about it!! they didn't stop the NAZI-IGLOO

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UND doesn't own the Ralph. Apples and oranges. BTW, nobody has answered why numbers like $100 Million keep getting thrown around when two reasonably similar projects within 200 miles of Fargo came in at DOUBLE and TRIPLE that cost. Sounds like the President's Mansion all over again. Not acceptable.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

I have a question for the"""we must move up now""" crowd. Where do we move up to? I dont see any conference invites. Plus you cant force your way in to a conference. You can say we are moving up all you want but if you dont have a conference to play in this is just an exercise in mental masturbation.

And just to stop all the BS of, we could go here or there lets just say NOBODY want NDSU in their conference and we are frozen out.

So what do you FBS pud pounders do now?

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I agree completely! Until the MWC, MAC or whoever announces expansion plans the "move up now crowd" is totally off base. Without a conference invite there is no where to move up to. Trust me, NDSU officials and administration are keeping a sharp eye out on the changing NCAA football landscape.... Talk about beating a dead horse!

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Originally Posted by NorthernBison

UND doesn't own the Ralph. Apples and oranges. BTW, nobody has answered why numbers like $100 Million keep getting thrown around when two reasonably similar projects within 200 miles of Fargo came in at DOUBLE and TRIPLE that cost. Sounds like the President's Mansion all over again. Not acceptable.

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Different numbers that are absurdly small keep coming up because anyone who's ever looked at it in even a semi-serious way has concluded that the real number is a very difficult sell, especially when none of your potential partners is even remotely interested.

What drives NDSU to the 2nd Tier, the FBS G5 Level, instead of staying in the current FCS??

1) When NDSU is no longer able to schedule FBS P5 games. MN, IA, NE, KS State and other regional FBS P5 schools will no longer schedule FCS schools, especially good ones. This Time is NOW.
2) When NDSU can't schedule games with the FBS G5. They don't want to play FCS schools unless its an easy win, and NDSU is a definite NO for the group. This Time is NOW.

Why are the two questions above so important for NDSU?

Playing FBS P5 & G5 schools are what have made NDSU relavant in the college Football landscape, and what the fans Want and Need. If the only games that NDSU is able to schedule and play are FCS games, it is TIME to move to the next level. That TIME appears to be NOW.

Why stay FCS? Another Title or Two is the only reason. NDSU's national relavance will peak in 2014, and decline going forward without P5 and G5 games. Iowa in 2016 might help it linger, but after that . . . decline.

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Originally Posted by bisonmike2

Well we should start now because it took us 12 years to raise 30 million for the SHAC. So it's going to take us roughly 30 years to raise 100 million for the stadium we want but in 30 years to build the stadium we want we are going to need to raise 200 million but that will take us 60 years to raise 200 million but in 60 years we are going to need 400 million to build the stadium we want so we'll need to raise.....etc..etc.

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No offense to wrestling and basketball, but I see more people donating for a football building faster than the BSA.

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Originally Posted by bisonmike2

Well we should start now because it took us 12 years to raise 30 million for the SHAC. So it's going to take us roughly 30 years to raise 100 million for the stadium we want but in 30 years to build the stadium we want we are going to need to raise 200 million but that will take us 60 years to raise 200 million but in 60 years we are going to need 400 million to build the stadium we want so we'll need to raise.....etc..etc.

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NDSU FOOTBALL SELLS I bet they could raise $100 million in 1 year if a concentrated effort was made.

$10 million from scheels Sanford rdo
$5 million from pro seed, bobcat, burgum NDSU student fees.

That's $50million.
1000 donors at $2000/year over 20 years= $40 million.
500 donors at $500/year over 20 years = $10 million.

Bada Bing, Bada BOOM

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

I think you are wrong since those road games would be on national TV. I think NDSU football could be a force in the MWC, basketball would struggle but at least you would have a quality conference to sell. Suddenly in the region NDSU basketball would be in a very strong basketball conference and that might allow NDSU to go after a different class of recruit, it would elevate us above most of the other mid-major programs. Again the basketball program would get national TV games much more regularly. I think the MWC would take NDSU athletics to a whole different level.

That said I don't think MWC would give much thought to add NDSU. It is hard to sell schools in California and Nevada that adding a school in North Dakota is a good idea.

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I'll agree to disagree about the first paragraph. Primarily because I simply have zero interest in those MWC programs (and I see myself as typical). Wyoming? I never watched a single football game until they played NDSU and I've never watched one since. Same is true of most of the rest of the conference. I totally agree with the last part. I'll trust John's input since he lives in Vegas and has stated they simply aren't interested in NDSU. Until, and unless, that changes, the discussion tends to be pointless.

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Originally Posted by Herd

What drives NDSU to the 2nd Tier, the FBS G5 Level, instead of staying in the current FCS??

1) When NDSU is no longer able to schedule FBS P5 games. MN, IA, NE, KS State and other regional FBS P5 schools will no longer schedule FCS schools, especially good ones. This Time is NOW.
2) NDSU can't schedule games with the FBS G5. They don't want to play FCS schools unless its an easy win, and NDSU is a definite NO for the group. This Time is NOW.

Why are the two questions above so important for NDSU?

Playing FBS P5 & G5 schools are what have made NDSU relavant in the college Football landscape, and what the fans Want and Need. If the only games that NDSU is able to schedule and play are FCS games, it is TIME to move to the next level. That TIME appears to be NOW.

What stay FCS? Another Title or Two is the only reason. NDSU's national relavance will peak in 2014, and decline going forward without P5 and G5 games.

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Hell yea.

#3. Average joe NDSU ticket buyer CANT BUY A TICKET. THAT TIME IS NOW



Hey 104 posts in 8 hours. Not too shabby. Lots of interest in this FBS MOVE

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Originally Posted by Herd

What drives NDSU to the 2nd Tier, the FBS G5 Level, instead of staying in the current FCS??

1) When NDSU is no longer able to schedule FBS P5 games. MN, IA, NE, KS State and other regional FBS P5 schools will no longer schedule FCS schools, especially good ones. This Time is NOW.
2) When NDSU can't schedule games with the FBS G5. They don't want to play FCS schools unless its an easy win, and NDSU is a definite NO for the group. This Time is NOW.



Why are the two questions above so important for NDSU?

Playing FBS P5 & G5 schools are what have made NDSU relavant in the college Football landscape, and what the fans Want and Need. If the only games that NDSU is able to schedule and play are FCS games, it is TIME to move to the next level. That TIME appears to be NOW.

Why stay FCS? Another Title or Two is the only reason. NDSU's national relavance will peak in 2014, and decline going forward without P5 and G5 games. Iowa in 2016 might help it linger, but after that . . . decline.

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Please explain how you expect to make this move when we dont have a conference that wants us?

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Hell yea.

#3. Average joe NDSU ticket buyer CANT BUY A TICKET. THAT TIME IS NOW



Hey 104 posts in 8 hours. Not too shabby. Lots of interest in this FBS MOVE

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Playing in the famous Idaho Potato Bowl on December 20 will cure the demand problem. No purple.

Any bowl game is viewed by more people than fcs title game, every bowl game gets a whole day dedicated to it.......fcs title game on espn 2 waiting for St. John's vs villinova basketball game to get done does not.

Haven't all of you seen frisco enough now? Time to broaden your travels.

NDSU should be selling these conferences and asking them if they would add NDSU. NOT SIT AND WAIT!

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Any bowl game is viewed by more people than fcs title game, every bowl game gets a whole day dedicated to it.......fcs title game on espn 2 waiting for St. John's vs villinova basketball game to get done does not.

Haven't all of you seen frisco enough now? Time to broaden your travels.

NDSU should be selling these conferences and asking them if they would add NDSU. NOT SIT AND WAIT!

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Like this:
NDSU: We are very interested in joining the MWC and we think we could bring a great product to your conference.
MWC: sorry, we have no plans for expansion at this time.

NDSU: We are very interested in joining the MAC and feel we would be a great addition to your conference.
MAC: We are not interested at this time, thanks for calling.

NDSU: Um... anybody got the number for the Sunbelt?

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Any bowl game is viewed by more people than fcs title game, every bowl game gets a whole day dedicated to it.......fcs title game on espn 2 waiting for St. John's vs villinova basketball game to get done does not.

Haven't all of you seen frisco enough now? Time to broaden your travels.

NDSU should be selling these conferences and asking them if they would add NDSU. NOT SIT AND WAIT!

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And when they say NO what then?

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

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And when they say NO what then?

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We keep calling until they accept us because we're the mighty Bison, who the F*#@ are you! :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

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And when they say NO what then?

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Email them "or else"

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Any bowl game is viewed by more people than fcs title game, every bowl game gets a whole day dedicated to it.......fcs title game on espn 2 waiting for St. John's vs villinova basketball game to get done does not.

Haven't all of you seen frisco enough now? Time to broaden your travels.

NDSU should be selling these conferences and asking them if they would add NDSU. NOT SIT AND WAIT!

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I've been to both Boise (Idaho Famous Potato Bowl) and Frisco three times. Where I'd rather spend a mid winter's weekend is not a hard choice.

ARTHUR: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God
with a sacred quest. If he will give us food and shelter for the
night he can join us in our quest for the Holy Grail.
GUARD: Well, I'll ask him, but I don't think he'll be very keen...
Uh, he's already got one, you see?
ARTHUR: What?
GALAHAD: He says they've already got one!
ARTHUR: Are you sure he's got one?
GUARD: Oh, yes, it's very nice-a [To Other Guards] I told him we already got one.
OTHER GUARDS: [Laughing]
ARTHUR: Well, um, can we come up and have a look?

Lakes these conferences need to want to add a school first and then they need to add have interest in NDSU. That is when you sell, otherwise you just look desperate and will probably just scare people away. The best thing to do is just control what you can control and that is keep on winning and keep on building up our program.

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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent

Lakes these conferences need to want to add a school first and then they need to add have interest in NDSU. That is when you sell, otherwise you just look desperate and will probably just scare people away. The best thing to do is just control what you can control and that is keep on winning and keep on building up our program.

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Hard to build up the program when seating is locked at 19,000 and turning away 5,000 plus for most home games. In addition, just having ND Network for TV does not grow the product all that much. Getting regional TV coverage would be a big deal. A good portion of the fans going to FBS games and Frisco the past 3 years are not from ND.

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Originally Posted by BisonNation11

We keep calling until they accept us because we're the mighty Bison, who the F*#@ are you! :biggrin:

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That's the sprit! You fly out to the conference offices, you wine them and dine them and show them a 10 minute presentation of what we've accomplished the fanbase that travels and new basketball arena and dome lit up. Sell them Fargo and the #1 economy in the USA. NORTH DAKOTA. Sales people!!

SDBISON you are also correct, the average joe in Jamestown would love to go see the bison play, but they can't buy a ticket and they won't pay $75-100/ticket. We are missing out on growing the product.
FSN would help.

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Originally Posted by SDbison

Hard to build up the program when seating is locked at 19,000 and turning away 5,000 plus for most home games. In addition, just having ND Network for TV does not grow the product all that much. Getting regional TV coverage would be a big deal. A good portion of the fans going to FBS games and Frisco the past 3 years are not from ND.

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Well I would argue that those are things that need to be built up.

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Originally Posted by SDbison

Hard to build up the program when seating is locked at 19,000 and turning away 5,000 plus for most home games. In addition, just having ND Network for TV does not grow the product all that much. Getting regional TV coverage would be a big deal. A good portion of the fans going to FBS games and Frisco the past 3 years are not from ND.

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Ohio St. tickets average sale price on the secondary market is over $260 bucks. Their stadium must not be big enough either. Killing the program.

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Originally Posted by SDbison

Getting regional TV coverage would be a big deal. A good portion of the fans going to FBS games and Frisco the past 3 years are not from ND.

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This here is much more important than the tactics of which conference you're in. Look at all the fans in the Twin Cities and the hoops they have to jump through to watch the game. How many people that are either casual fans or just folks that like to watch football are willing to go through all the ESPN3-Xbox-kinescope-webcam monkey business to watch most games? Either that or have to drive the kids to sensers and watch what you drink?

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

SDBISON you are also correct, the average joe in Jamestown would love to go see the bison play, but they can't buy a ticket and they won't pay $75-100/ticket. We are missing out on growing the product.
FSN would help.

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If only we could get someone else to pay for a new stadium that we could play in for free all of our problems would be solved.

Trolls are getting fat on all the fresh feeding today...