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Yep, which is why I think the MAC will never happen. Not because our travel becomes terrible, but it turns a bus league into a bus league with one flight every year. People ask why I’m so pro-MW, I just don’t think the MAC would ever consider it. They’d add some slack New York schools over the XDSUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Looks up commercial flights from Reno to Fargo or Fresno to Fargo and tell me that - it'll be at least 1 and quite possibly 2 connections unless you want to fly into MSP and bus 3.5 hours each way. Geography also has much more of a role in this from the inviting conference's perspective other than just travel costs - there's also the factor of how much it benefits the current member schools from a recruiting standpoint and how many eyeballs in market it can add to a media deal. If geography isn't a big factor NDSU would sure as hell be getting preferential treatment over schools like Sam Houston and Kennesaw.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
Beyond eyeball/markets/recruiting, distance is also a very real factor. A lot of schools do actually care if their student athletes will be traveling further as it can take a toll in some sports. Heck, even in the FCS playoffs its considered a factor and significant advantage to be resting at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
Additionally, there is a very real cost difference in flights based on distance. There seems to be a myth by some here that all flights are equivalent cost, and thats just not true. Charter flight costs are based on engine run time (hobbs meter). Most commercial flights also are priced on distance and flight legs to some degree. It does cost more to keep a plane in the air longer.
Trying to ignore the reality that geography is a factor won't change it. There's still a good chance we move to FBS, but it may take something like a football only offer to MWC to make it happen. It's highly likely to be either MWC or MAC. I would like to see an all sports move, but not sure that can happen based on some posts from McFeely. He also points out its the conferences calling the shots here, not NDSU.
It would be one connection because of United and Denver, which has 4 flights a day into Hector. I fly all over the west and it isn't difficult, especially with United ditching more and more of their CRJ 200s for real planes. American also flies into PHX and DFW. Fargo is much better connected to the west than the east. We also need a spot in a non-bus league, MWC would fit that while leagues like the MAC would not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
SHSU and KSU went to the desperate CUSA. I'm convinced the real problem was our school president who didn't want FBS when we were at our peak.
Fair point about Fargo being better connected to the West. MWC really is our best fit from a travel perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
NDSU was never in the conversation for CUSA. They are clearly a SouthEastern oriented conference now. The next schools on deck there are SFA, UCA, EKU, Tarleton. All the chatter says they want to tighten the geography there and reduce travel, not expand it. Most of those schools would be happy if UTEP and NMSU left.
Fargo is the best town in the area to fly out west. That Denver route is clutch when flying anywhere out west. It is otherwise a pain to fly out west from any other airport other than Minneapolis. I do miss the frontier flight to Denver too.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
https://athlonsports.com/college-foo...gon-washington
Could be a fun week.
I've seen this rumor mentioned a couple places and tend to think it's BS until there's some explanation/acknowledgement of how Clemson and FSU would handle the ACC's grant of rights agreement which stipulates that if a school leaves before that agreement is up (which isn't until 2036) they essentially owe a $30M+ per year exit fee. Not even B1G money would let those schools swallow $300-400M in exit fees but maybe some lawyers found a loophole or a way to challenge it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSBisonFan
Wild. At some point there has to be diminishing returns on adding all of these schools though, right? Or is the intent that you have half of the big dance and CFP money now? 20 teams in a conference, they’ll have like 4 teams with one or fewer losses lolQuote:
Originally Posted by KSBisonFan
Believe what the ACC GoR states is that they don't own or get to keep any of their media rights money, which would be even worse. That basically kills any motivation for a new conference to take them. Don't think there is any "buyout" like other conferences. The document is kept locked in a vault somewhere, but many lawyers are said to have looked at it over the years. It seems like a tough nut to crack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Professor Chaos
The end goal I've seen stated is for the SEC and B1G to become powerful enough to split off and basically own the whole pie. Take the top 48 or so brands and hold your own championships. This is another way to accomplish the P5/G5 split, and they can be selective at who comes along. It becomes the professional tier of college sports with 90%+ of the revenues. Think NFC vs AFC. They could have subdivisions (pods) in each conference, which already seems to be developing.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
I'll believe half of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSBisonFan
UW/UO ... sure.
But until someone shows how FSU and Clemson get out of the ACC GOR (shows case law) I'm not buying it.
PS - UW/UO go will trigger UAz to go in a heartbeat.
PPS - WasSU and OrSu have to be hatin' life about now.
Not to mention Cal & Stanford.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
Cali-Stan is the enigma. I believe the academic mullahs on those campuses would be happier in the Ivy ... at most.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSBisonFan
https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison...g-nil-collecti
not sure where to put this...
Here, maybe?…Quote:
Originally Posted by BISONBRI53
http://www.bisonville.com/forum/show...-Football-Team
OPE!!! My badQuote:
Originally Posted by heffray
The UC Davis arena doesn't look that bad compared to what we have with the SHAC. https://ucdavisaggies.com/facilities...union-center/5
The Sac State "Nest" on the other hand is similar to the Bentson Bunker Fieldhouse. https://hornetsports.com/facilities/the-nest/2
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Originally Posted by NDSU92
Having sub par facilities hurts an individual school's bottom line but conferences look for lots of things in expansion candidates. TV and streaming providers don't care how big a G5 stadium or gym might be. The do care about how many "potential" viewers a school can generate. For the MW the only thing the providers care about is air time slots in the Pacific and Mountain time zones. They know the only people watching MW games at night are MW fans in those time zones. There aren't a whole lot of viewers in the current footprint hence the very small tv deal.
I don't think NDSU, by itself, would draw enough potential new viewers to make a much difference in the future tv deals but if they were added with some other, out of the region, schools that might generate a wider viewership.
That could be a very good thing for the MW. That is the only reason they have ever looked towards Texas in the past. However, it appears that the MW is now looking more inward, smaller, tighter and regional.
Still, the really serious cash is going to schools that already are loaded and that means other schools are chasing that cash. That could result in the end of the MW in short order. Or, the MW could be still standing after the smoke clears. I really have no idea what will come next.
You could be looking at an opportunity or out of business sign. It is all up in the air.
No conference is adding the 4th or 5th best team in a region, like Texas for the eyeballs. It's 100% for recruiting of both athletes and students.
No one is watching UNT on Saturdays accept a few hundred UNT alumn.
Nobody is watching any MW schools play other than MW fans. If you add schools you add more MW fans. Folks like to watch their own 5th best regional school play on tv, too even if said schools don't draw a lot of other viewers. The MW is not competing against any other conference for tv viewers. They lose in that regard every time. Take a look at the tv deal they have. Tiny tiny tiny. There is a reason for that.
The ideal size for the MW is 9 schools. The reason they have 12 is because it adds more time zone inventory. Without the time zone inventory the conference probably does not have tv deal with a national provider.
At any rate, it does not appear that the MW has any interest in adding schools from anywhere unless they have to to maintain an 8 game football schedule.
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Originally Posted by MWC
Compared to PAC or any P5 conference, sure. At $4m/year, its not that tiny compared to other G5 conferences. Even the AAC is paying new members less.
Granted, no idea what it will look like if SDSU and one or two others leave. But at the moment, its one of the largest G5 media deals.
The AAC is distributing less to the newcomers. The tv deal is still the same..Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
Right, but current MWC deal is paying more than any other G5 conference would for new members.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
The total deal may be same or less than what AAC has, but its still more than any other G5 conference, by at least 2x.
All relative of course. But no G5 is seeing the $20-30m+ that the P5 conferences do.
From a strictly NDSU standpoint, MWC would improve our media deal by ~$2m. If we join any other G5 conference, we'd be lucky to break even.
We don't know what the MW would distribute for new members..There hasn't been any in over 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
If, the MW loses 4 top schools to parts unknown, the tv deal will go away..
Rumors are the PAC 12 media deal is being presented today…
Judging by how we’re finding out (rumors of closed door meetings) and the timing (I’m guessing every school in the PAC demanded to see the deal they’re working on after Colorado left), it’s not an ideal one for the PAC.
Multiple outlets now reporting Arizona insiders saying the school will announce today that they are leaving for the B12.
Also sounds like the B12 will be holding at 14 for now.
With this level of PAC 12 destruction, I'm becoming worried that this is bad for NDSU. We need the PAC 12 to survive and add new members to open a door. Otherwise, a bunch of teams start asking the Mountain West to admit them...
As long as there are 2 remaining PAC schools the conference will survive. Teams from other G5 conferences will join the PAC not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
NDSU & BOISE ST to pac 12Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
I don't know it it is that simple. Right now, strong rumors the B1G want Washington and Oregon. You take those from the PAC12, and the only premier program left is Stanford. Granted, Cal should be better than they are. But, can they hold Stanford and Cal? If so, I agree maybe they survive by raiding the California Mountain West teams. However, you lose Stanford an Cal, and I think real possibility they implode.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
If the B12 actually holds at 14 and doesn’t take Arizona State and Utah, that would be a huge help for the PAC.
I think regardless the PAC needs to add 4 at this point, likely 2 or 3 from MW and 1 or 2 from AAC. That would bring them to either 10 or 12, depending on OU/Wash.
Or their TV deal is straight ass and it’s a fire sale to get the hell outta there. Then they grab the top half of the mountain west and some more of the AAC.
If ever there was a chain of events to see NDSU to FBS, one would think this would be it.
The reality is that any 2 current PAC schools that remain are more valuable than any G5 team. The PAC will be inviting the best possible G5 teams and once that happens they will get a contract (that sucks when compared to P5 conferences) that is WAY higher than any G5 conference deal. Follow the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
Athletic Article Chris Vaninni Surveys..
If the Mountain West adds any schools in the future, who should it add? (Select all that apply.)
North Dakota State: 58.5 percent
Montana: 43.6 percent
UTEP: 39.4 percent
Montana State: 38.8 percent
South Dakota State: 37.8 percent
New Mexico State: 17.6 percent
Sacramento State: 14.4 percent
How were you able to vote over 100 times?
HAHAHAHAHA!!! I thought the same thing!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Yep, was about to post this. MWC fans want us in the conference.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Other interesting G5 survey results
Who will win the Mountain West this year?
Boise State: 48.7 percent
San Diego State: 18.8 percent
Fresno State: 12.7 percent
Air Force: 10.7 percent
Colorado State: 2.5 percent
Wyoming: 2.5 percent
UNLV: 1.5 percent
Utah State: 1.5 percent
San Jose State: 1 percent
Hawaii: 0 percent
Nevada: 0 percent
New Mexico: 0 percent
Who will win the MAC this year?
Toledo: 44.9 percent
Ohio: 16 percent
Northern Illinois: 10.2 percent
Miami (Ohio): 7.2 percent
Eastern Michigan: 4.8 percent
Buffalo: 4.2 percent
Western Michigan: 3.6 percent
Central Michigan: 2.4 percent
Ball State: 1.8 percent
Bowling Green: 1.8 percent
Kent State: 1.2 percent
Akron: 0 percent
CUSA survey
If CUSA adds more schools in the future, who should it add? (Select all that apply)
Stephen F. Austin: 44 percent
Eastern Kentucky: 32.1 percent
Missouri State: 31 percent
Incarnate Word: 22.6 percent
McNeese State: 19 percent
Austin Peay: 19 percent
Tarleton State: 16.7 percent
Central Arkansas: 13.1 percent
Where would you rank CUSA among the G5?
1: 2.2 percent (Best league)
2: 7.7 percent
3: 22 percent
4: 28.6 percent
5: 39.6 percent (Worst league)
Oregon St. is worth more than Army? Navy? San Diego St? (just a few off the top of my head that I suspect are pretty darn valuable) I do agree with the principle of what you are saying, the reality is the cream is getting harvested right now, and Oregon St. and Washington St. have to be sweating bullets. Even if they survive, they will no longer be a power league.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy