That isn't all that odd really. Bohl had his best season in 2007, beating two FBS teams in going 10-1. Check out his 2008 class and tell me what you think of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
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That isn't all that odd really. Bohl had his best season in 2007, beating two FBS teams in going 10-1. Check out his 2008 class and tell me what you think of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
It was a bad class, but he didn't have a problem of getting talent, instead it was keeping that talent around. What is the class down 6 or 7 kids already?Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonNeil
Maybe this is a time and effort thing? I think Bohl is working very, very hard to get the program back on track. I get the impression he wants to stay in Fargo since he's getting married and all.
Maybe Stig has gotten a little lazy hoping that the success would draw more interest. Just a thought...
Since Bisonville is so concerned about SDSU recruiting, (weird since just a few years ago Bison fans could care less about SDSU and were focused on bigger, better opponents) you can watch Coach Stig talk about how recruiting is going on GoJacks.com. It's the first segment of "The Jackrabbit Insider" which is one of the 5 rotating stories at GoJacks.
To paraphrase:
It was a good season, it was great to get to playoffs but the goal is to get to Chattanooga.
The playoffs have made a huge, widespread impact with recruits, friends, & alumni. The impact has really paid off in recruiting. People want to play for a winner and even though we lost that game we are improving.
Coach Stig says recruiting has been going slow, but that's by design. They evaluate everything about a recruit and take an NFL approach by asking recruits alot of questions and get to know the players.
On paper they are behind but at their speed they are right on track. A couple big recruiting weeks in January and the recruiting will solidify.
Dykhouse center is completed and has been exciting for recruits to see. Talks about how people can sponser a players locker.
www.gojacks.com
What happened in Yankton then? I don't think Bisonville is concerned, we have just listened to SDSU fans cast doubts about our early recruits and offer a ton of excuses as to why you have just a few verbals. Now I see a thread about recruiting concerns, it certainly sticks out. Especially when coaches rarely say negative things about recruiting.
http://sdsufans.com/board/showthread.php?t=9357
Before everything was rainbows and sunshine, a playoff birth was your ticket to open more doors and make recruiting easier. Now...
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He said it seems to have changed a bit. He is under the impression that a lot of kids are "jumping" at the first offer they get.
Actually in 4 years this class probably will only have 6-7 guys with DI talent and I'd be fine with that. Your not going to have 20 guys all pan out and be the amazing talent we all hope they will be and hype them up to be. If about 1/3 of this class pans out as solid contributing players that would be good. Take 1/3 of last years class and 1/3 of next years class and you have a starting lineup that will be upperclassmen dominated with younger guys stepping up where needed. Now if this class is as good as some make it out to be and we have 20 NFL prospects coming in next year than we don't have to worry about last years class and the one after.Quote:
Originally Posted by BisonNeil
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Originally Posted by JacksFan06
Slow by design???? So you wait until the kids you want have verbaled. Nice spin 06 - It doesn't fly.
I'm not denying that Stig wasn't caught of guard by kids giving their verbals in September & October as that is not typically normal. As I've said a billion times here, it was a good move by Coach Bohl to change up the strategy and be very aggressive early on.
But this how Coach Stig has done it every year and for people to speculate that he is lazy or that he has just recently found these left over recruits I have to disagree.
The players coming in for visits in the next two weekends are recruits that the coaching staff has targeted for the past 4 months. They've already made in home visits to these players and have been analyzing their game film and talking with coaches and family. Many of these players have been told that they are very interested in them and that they will most likely see an offer once they come for a visit in January. The players who sign elsewhere earlier are saying, "thanks for the interest but I'd rather play elsewhere" while the recruits that are interested in SDSU will be verbaling in the next two weeks after their official visits.
That's the "slow design" Coach Stig talks about, they run most of their players through the ringer before they offer a verbal.
NDSU had a very good recruiting class this year, and I'm not taking anything away from them or there process. I'm just saying that I'd wait a couple weeks and than you can judge how SDSU has done.
JacksFan,
You should know by now that any recruit who doesn't sign with NDSU is not worthy and more than likely doesn't know how to play football. Obviously Coach Bohl got ALL the regional talent and there is not one player left any where to be found who is any good at all. Even though SDSU has beaten NDSU 3 years in a row their coach has zero idea at recruiting and obviously sits around and waits for all the left over recruits to come to him. Its apparent by his record the last few years and direction the program is going in that he has no skill at evaluating talent and as a matter of fact he is probably sitting in Brookings right now waiting for the phone to ring and a commitment from anyone who the Bison turned away and is willing to play in Brookings. As are the coaches from UND, USD, UNI, Minnesota and any other school in the region.
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Originally Posted by homer
Don't forget that he is lazy and has been resting on his laurels. This year will be his worst recruiting year ever [i](even though SDSU just went through their most successful season and is opening their brand new locker room/weight room facility next year.
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Originally Posted by homer
Nice, I think you are the 3rd fan from another school that has finally "GOT IT" Thanks for your concern about the Bison.
Thank you for your continued (and persistent) interest in NDSU Bison athletics!Quote:
Originally Posted by homer
It's actually the opposite, I just respond to the constant interest from NDSU fans on SDSU's recruiting. Of course their opinions are so warped from reality that they need adjusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatanka
Thank you for your continued interest in NDSU Bison athletics!Quote:
Originally Posted by JacksFan06
Nice comeback. I just thought I would summarize the interest in SDSU recruiting in the NDSU recruiting thread on a NDSU board by NDSU fans. Maybe JacksFan should say "Thank you for your interest in SDSU athletics."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tatanka
Plus all you have to do is read the rest of the thread and you know my summary was actually pretty accurate. Thats the funny part.:D But seriously good comeback.
Hopefully this post about SDSU recruiting in the Bison football section won't be deleted as I'm only responding to Bison fans that keep bringing up SDSU here in this section.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
I can't say that Stig's Yankton remarks didn't catch me a little off guard, but they were posted second hand on our board from somebody else's perception of what he said. That's a big difference in my mind, wouldn't you agree NDSU Student? I put more stock into the link provided that shows Stig talking about recruiting...especially since it was recorded only days earlier than the remarks in Yankton.
If you look at most MVFC schools (NDSU being the exception) anywhere around a handful reported verbals is normal right now. We have four verbals (three reported) and two of them look to be really solid. Like Grizzled said, if Stig and staff lock down another 5-6 kids that end up being solid players 3-4 years down the road, this would be a good class.
Fact of the matter is, the Bison are always going to have more highly touted recruiting classes than SDSU. You recruit from more major metro areas, recruit kids that are more high profile, and it looks like now recruit kids earlier allowing hype to build. Even in the years that many here have criticized Bohl for poor classes, his recruiting classes were more highly regarded than what SDSU brought in that year. It's been that way the past 5 years and I don't think it's going to change. Obviously the results on the field the past few years show that one method isn't necessarily better than the other.
Hey home boy......this is Bisonville, a message board set up for those interested in NDSU athletics and other associated topics to discuss their views. Since it is our board (sorry Tony, just meaning the collective community) we can discuss what we want (within reason of course). So who is the one visiting? That would be you! Obviously, we are interested in how other teams in the MVFC are doing with their recruiting, especially our closest neighbor. Did I mention that we also have much free time to discuss others recruiting now that NDSU's recruiting is pretty much done? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by homer
Something to be said for this statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackrabbit1979
:nod:
im gonna bottom line it for ALL YOU SDSU fans.
2009 NDSU rebuilds obviously.
2009 SDSU goes 1-3 vs GOOD *uni,siu,minn,montana* teams, & chokes in playoffs
2010 NDSU gets amazing recruits and returns
2010 SDSU goes back to 5-6 like they belong *uni, siu, ndsu, nebraska, deleware, youngstown* they will all beat sdsu next year.
2011 NDSU hits it peak
2011 SDSU get another 7500 ndsu fans in their muddy tailgate lot
Not really - with better performance out of our qb we would have won 2 of the last 3. Same thing for the last two years. At this level most teams go as far as their qb will take them. I see both und and sdsu are having a hard time recruiting within the region.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiouxFan
La Crosse (WI) Central FB/LB Jason Hengel (6-2, 220) has a walk-on invite from NDSU.
Article: http://wissports.net/sports/football...113&id=1112959
Player Profile: http://wissports.net/sports/football...13379&tid=1236
You mean the over-hyped, highy touted, highly regarded QB recruits (namely Mohler and Mertens) didn't reach those expectations on the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison Dan
Based on that, I would say my point was dead on.
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Originally Posted by JacksFan06
I think this is a very fair post. Stig will get his kids this year, just like he does. I think he will change his philosphy a bit next year to go more toward what Bohl did. My opinion. UND fans don't have a leg to stand on. NDSU went 7-0 again against UND this year and have yet to prove a thing. SDSU has proven it on the field and will continue to play a really tough brand of football. NDSU will be back, but it may take some time. Looking forward to Spring Ball already. These back to back classes are amazing.
You mean kind of like what bunny mbb fans have been doing the last 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackrabbit1979
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Originally Posted by Bison Dan
Why are you changing the subject to MBB, because you realize you were wrong?
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Originally Posted by homer
There is more talk about NDSU and its recruits on the Bunny board than their own 3 recruits, so you don't have much of an argument
I wouldn't have said a thing if it wasn't coming from Jackmd, I remember he posted a lot of secondhand info about basketball recruiting and it was spot on. I doubt Stig is ever going to go on gojacks.com and air his recruiting concerns, that just isn't the right platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackrabbit1979
I don't really care about other MVFC schools, most of the them are far enough away where what we do and who we recruit doesn't really affect them. But when we are pulling MN, SD, and Nebraska kids it is going right into Stig's recruiting wheelhouse.
I won't say Stig can't pull out a recruiting blitz, but I have heard the region is down and we had a ton of early verbals. You can say our class are always more hyped, but this class is built a bit differently. No class ever had this many early verbals and this class is a bit more regional.
As for talking about SDSU's recruiting, we have 23 verbals, I think we can look around and see how it is going for everyone else at this point.
[QUOTE=NDSUstudent;344441] we have 23 verbals, I think we can look around and see how it is going for everyone else at this point.[/QUOTE]
What else do we have to do? It is like we have opened all our Christmas gifts and it is only Thanksgiving.:smh: :smh: :smh: ;) ;)
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Originally Posted by NDSUstudent
I added my comments above...I agree completely with most of what you said.
I have one final comment. As for overall recruiting, most will agree that NDSU will likely pull in a higher percentage of recruits every year that are highly touted for the FCS level compared to SDSU. How those recruits turn out can always vary and sometimes the better recruits end up contributing less than recruits with average capability.
I think SDSU had a couple years where their average recruits turned out better than expected and the TEAM played well together.
Minimal defections and injuries along with a beneficial home schedule really helped the Jacks this past year. So after the Montana debacle, how will SDSU respond? Are there enough questions about who will step up for lost personel and was some of the TEAM chemistry lost?
At this point I find it hard to believe that SDSU will replace NDSU as the dominant football program in the Dakotas long term. Obviously the Jack fans think they have arrived and will stay there. I highly doubt that will be the case. In summary, for the past couple years SDSU had everything come together and NDSU had everything fall apart. Just the appearance that NDSU has done well with recruiting after a 3-8 season, compared to what seems like a struggle for a SDSU team that made the playoffs shows NDSU is still king.
that's not what anybody is saying, i just think it was ridiculous to ridicule bohl and the bison for having so many verbals at the beginning of the season. i dont get how that is a bad thing and some jacks fans and even some people around here think so as i saw in the forum comments. it's ludicrous. and no not the singerQuote:
Originally Posted by homer
mohler is only a sophomoreQuote:
Originally Posted by jackrabbit1979
Correct! He showed lots of promise last year. He has more talent and experience at the receiver position than last year. Vraa will be a 4-year starter and will instantly be his favorite target. :nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by ming01
I think Gebhart will be his favorite target. (Couldn't resist):hide:Quote:
Originally Posted by Castor Troy
no ming01. im walking on this spring ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Siouxfallsbison
Mohler will be a sophomore next fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by ming01
yeah i was referring to next season, should have clarifiedQuote:
Originally Posted by roadwarrior
How good is Gebhart and Vraa? I can't even wait. If you want to get more excited, look at Cooper Wahlo's rivals film from last year. These kids are going to transform the WR position again. Oh, and Holloway isn't done yet either!Quote:
Originally Posted by Siouxfallsbison
Could we have a dual or even triple threat at wide receiver next year? NDSU's QB's should be excited about the possibilities........:nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonhusker
Not only next year but how many years after? Whens the last time we where ever able to say that? Definately excited about the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by SDbison