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I agree with most of the sentiment being expressed here (except for by one person) and I'm certain that NDSU will move up if and when they get the opportunity.
That said, you do see several schools ADs or Presidents come out and make declarations they're moving up. I'm not sure how to square that with the point I just agreed with.
NOOOOOOOOOOO SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they all do it!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
Face the Facts Ol Stony Brook doesn't want to do SHIT but ride the coattails and enjoy this gravy train with his buddy phelps. they can't get better jobs else they'd be gone..... so they gonna ride this out at our expense here at NDSU until they retire in 5-6 years and scurry back to the east coast.
wake up and smell the coffee.
The new MW commish has reached out to NDSU.
The athletic department is actively pursuing options.
They have heard the complaints from fans about the "there's a snake in my boot" repetitive meaningless statements about FBS/FCS.
Everyone has to wait to see what happens with the P12 media deal.
This is common knowledge to anyone within 3 degrees of separation from the athletic department. Calm your tits
These are the thoughts of a childQuote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
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Originally Posted by 56BISON73
But Momma, I want it NOW! Just flash your boobies and they'll give it to us! :rofl:
This is 100% spot on. It's what I been told by some people at the athletic department.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
They need to announce it publicly and send out press releases lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bison Dan
Wake me up when we're in the AAC.
There's zero reason to do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
If you notice, these announcements come in quick sequence with a conference announcement. That's because most everything is worked out behind closed doors and announcements don't come until the parties can issue statements with clarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
Like WIU gone from Summit and into OVC in five minutes last Friday.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
Which conference did Missouri State move up to?Quote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
I'm not saying NDSU needs to do a press conference or make a big deal of it like Lakes is saying, but I am pointing out I've noticed this type of talk and I don't think it's always after it's a done deal.
mountain west makes more sense bro we have the kildeer mountains in the state and we're west of any state east of us if you think about it its a perfect fitQuote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
also we'd get to play a bohl game every year and that'd be fun
Time zones my man... time zones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
Oh I'm aware. Just sarcasm based on other poster(s) saying the department is lazy for not doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrygunBison
I think AAC gives NDSU more publicity when we get there and CRUSH their conference and win the CFP bid!!Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
but WE NEED TO HURRY BECAUSE THE CFP BID FOR G5 STARTS in 2024!!!
Geography is hard to overcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by EC8CH
I don't know what you guys are looking for but the new version of the AAC has 7 or 8 CST schools. That is easy travel. That would allow for you to move all your sports there as they will break up that conference into manageable division geography.
While I think it is a long shot that neither AAC nor the MW would take a school directly out of FCS, a full sports invite is the best result in my limited intellect opinion. A football only invite means a reduced payout and no share of the NCAA basketball credits.
Easy travel? AAC's closest is almost as far as our furthest in Summit/MVFC. Half the AAC can see salt water. Everything's a flight. Thinking we'd be a good fit for the AAC is one thing, but don't be this wrong about simple facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
yea flying to springfield missouri Youngstown ohio Murray St Tennessee or to tulsa oklahoma memphis tennessee oh man what a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Sicatoka
I was speaking more of MWC. Those 9 or 10 pm Central game start times don't help the fans. I have first-hand knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
The AAC will almost certainly break into 2 divisions. Maybe even 3. Your travel will be tough everywhere you go but if you are going to places in the same time zone, that is better. It is massively easier travel than the MW for you..Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
You don't have any easy travel anywhere but the ACC will break into divisions and you would primarily play CST schools. Very few trips to the Atlantic Ocean. The same cannot be said about the MW..Those are long long trip across multiple time zones..Including one half way accross the Pacific Ocean.Quote:
Originally Posted by taper
Those are pretty simple basic facts..
Rumor reported on last year was MSU talked to the SBC and apparently wants in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gully
Doesn't seem to be going anywhere currently though. I don't think SBC is expanding.
MSU hasn't been rumored to talk to anyone else since.
I suppose if PAC takes schools that cause a massive cascade down to SBC, then MAYBE it could happen.
In some ways, if you tout you are going FBS and then don't get an invite, after a while it looks foolish, or like you are just blowing smoke. That would turn off people too, because you are basically advertising that you are "stuck" where you are.
It only makes sense to talk about it when something is imminent and already underway.
That's how most schools do it.
bros it's twenty twenty fucking three ALL travel is easy travel
Assume you mean American/AAC above?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
What do you base the divisions on? Thought the move was the other direction, and most conferences are dumping divisions.
Did anyone in AAC talk about doing this, or you have a hunch based on something?
Some conferences are sort of doing a pod-like thing in terms of having permanent opponents and some that rotate.
Here is what the conference published as their scheduling model for next 4 years
https://theamerican.org/news/2022/11...6-seasons.aspxQuote:
The American will not have a divisional format during the four-year cycle. The top two teams in the final regular season standings will qualify for the American Athletic Conference Championship Game.
The MW did away with divisions too..It was not done to make travel any easier as this is a regional conference. However, if the AAC goes to 16 or 18 members the travel will become particularly onerous. Football will be fine (no need for divisions) but the olympic sports and the athletes will get killed by the type of travel a conference that spread out means.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigHorns
I do not anticipate the MW inviting you for all sports, or even football only, but you could make it work in the AAC.
MWC what’s your take on what will happen with the PAC12 media deal? They gonna get cooked or are they okay?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
I wish I knew. I don't, but it would be nice if they could get something done one way or the other soon. If SDSU is invited, and I think they will go to the Pac 10 or the B12, they would have to give notice to the MW that they are leaving by June 1st. If not, they probably wouldn't leave until 2025.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Curious the factor there with June? Exit fees or GoR? Are those renewing?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
It seems these days schools often just buy their way out early.
See OU/UT, the AAC->B12 schools, etc.
In the MW, it is about the amount of the exit fee..The June date is the end of the fiscal year and the start of a new year. If a school leaves with 1 year's notice the exit fee is 33 million. If there is two years notice it is 16.5. I don't think there is a GOR clause but don't quote me on that. If SDSU or anyone else might leave, they can start the clock in this fiscal year instead of the next.
I do think SDSU is leaving but maybe not until 25 or 26..
Ok, the logic makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
A lot of times those exit fees get negotiated/restructured after an announcement is made though, and the revenue increase at a P5 conference can still make the early exit worthwhile.
Eg: If SDSU could negotiate to pay the 33m over 2-3 years, while increasing their payout from $4m -> $30m yearly, it might make sense to leave asap. And even if not negotiable, it may make sense with that type of revenue increase for them to raise funds or finance a move quicker.
It would cost them an additional $16.5 mil to leave a year early, but that is potentially offset by $26m in additional revenue that year. In other words, the financials suggest they should leave early IF the PAC/B12 media deals continue to pay at least $30m or more. The early move would net them approx $10m more that year, even with the exit fee.
If SDSU gets an invitation to the Pac or Big 12, they will accept and figure out the exit fee. The MW may be flexible as they have never made much of a stink about schools jumping up. I think the high fees are in place to make a sideways move to the AAC more costly
Sure, agree a sideways move doesn't make much sense. I don't think that's too likely even if they had the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
There's a lot of recent precedent for the structure of early exits to be negotiated. AAC did this with UCF, Cincinnati, Houston when they left. As I recall, they are paying a bunch for early exit, but its spread over a long period of time. It becomes easy for the departing schools to pay due to B12 revenue.
A few years back CSU and AFA wanted to jump to the AAC. They would be there now but they wanted the AAC to pay the exit fees to the MW. The AAC said no thanks.
Interesting. I thought it was presented in the media as CSU and AFA said no thanks to AAC. Perhaps that was spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
Mutual decision would be my guess..SDSU and Boise said no too..
https://twitter.com/JackIllustrated/...25546363736064
I would say this is good news for NDSU fans that want FBS, which I would guess is most at this point
that's cute. maybe SDSU should win a championship or two before they start feeling too cool for schoolQuote:
Originally Posted by WhoRepsTheLurker
Pretty sure that's their plan, since they're not super bullish about a moveQuote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
Don't think they can afford it right now, TBH
But at least the "basketball school" is talking about it
If there is any Dakota school that we are "tied at the hip to", it is SDSU
They set a good bar athletically
But FB-only is the future of FBS, IMO, so on that point I disagree with them, fwiw