Not yet. Kind of surprising with as few games as we're played. Maybe Jeff is taking some time off over the holidays.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
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Not yet. Kind of surprising with as few games as we're played. Maybe Jeff is taking some time off over the holidays.Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
I don't think it gets updated until after all the bowl games.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebootfitter
Since it doesn't look like the numbers are going to be updated for awhile, here are the results and predictions using the previous numbers.
Round 4 results
Code:1 NDSU/UNH
Sagarin: NDSU by 19
Actual: NDSU by 38
3 EWU/7 Towson
Sagarin: Towson by 1
Actual: Towson by 4
Championship prediction
Code:1 NDSU 81.30 (11.16)
7 Towson 70.14
What, no homefield calculated in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
Darn, you beat me to it! Sure will feel like home field with NDSU's past experience and the GREAT crowd presence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayville Bison
I know this is the Sagarin thread, but I checked Massey today... it was updated to include yesterday's game, and NDSU is now ranked #17 for overall NCAA Division 1!
http://masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cf2013&sub=11590
The Bison Defense is ranked #5 overall in D1.
http://masseyratings.com/team.php?t=5545&s=199231
That's probably about right where it should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by NovaBison
I don't know that I can see an argument for why NDSU doesn't deserve a spot in the final AP Top 25. If NIU and Fresno St deserved spots based solely on W's with their terrible schedules, then NDSU with 15 wins undoubtedly should sneak in at #25 or better.Quote:
Originally Posted by NovaBison
When is final ap poll?Quote:
Originally Posted by riceweb
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Tuesday I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
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Very nice. To be ranked #5 overall is awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by NovaBison
Sagarin is now out NDSU is #17 and #22 in the predictor rating. K-State was #23 in both...so NDSU finishes with a top 25 win!
I like his Dim-Curve #, (12).
MFVC finishes as the highest-rated FCS conference and is head of both MAC divisions and C-USA-East. Big Sky finishes as the 7th ranked FCS conference.
FWIW
2013 NDSU #17 86.38 ranking
1996 Marshall #21 85.12 ranking
1996 Montana #45 75.80 ranking
1999 Georgia Southern #46 74.36 ranking
Excellent post. Are these the highest finishes ever for 2nd division teams?Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleBison
Also, aside from having a top 25 win, the Bison went undefeated against top 25 teams.
That's all I had time to research.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnriverbison
Quoted for emphasis. Reasonably objective measure. Numbers don't lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
Per Izzo, highest ever FCS Sagarin finish was 1996 Marshall at #14.
Very good company.
Those are the composite scores, right? I'm pretty sure we already identified that '96 Marshall finished in the teens on the predictor score.Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleBison
The Bison really did a number on the CAA. The entire conference took a hit because of the way NDSU beat UNH and Towson. The MVFC got a small bump for the same reason, but nothing like what happened to the CAA. Big Fluffy is still Big Fluffy, though. No new additions to the top-25, but some mild shuffling because of the above. And I'm done until the final 2014 schedule comes out.
Sagarin's Final Predictor Results
Sagarin FCS Predictor Top-25Code:Sagarin Predict Result Diff
22 North Dakota State 84.55
23 Kansas State 83.60 -2.59 3.00 5.59
NA Ferris State NA NA 46.00 NA
223 Delaware State 34.24 53.85 51.00 -2.85
92 South Dakota State 63.42 17.59 20.00 2.41
88 Northern Iowa 64.31 23.78 1.00 -22.78
97 Missouri State 62.34 25.75 15.00 -10.75
96 Southern Illinois 62.78 18.23 21.00 2.77
197 Indiana State 40.07 40.94 46.00 5.06
119 Illinois State 57.86 30.23 18.00 -12.23
111 Youngstown State 59.61 21.40 18.00 -3.40
163 South Dakota 48.67 39.42 42.00 2.58
150 Furman 52.61 35.48 31.00 -4.48
105 Coastal Carolina 61.38 26.71 34.00 7.29
95 New Hampshire 63.22 24.87 38.00 13.13
70 Towson 67.70 16.85 28.00 11.15
159 Western Illinois 50.48
Total Diff: 2.45
Home 3.54
Sagarin Predictor Top-7 FCS ConferencesCode:1 22 North Dakota State
2 40 Eastern Illinois
3 70 Towson
4 75 SE Louisiana
5 79 Eastern Washington
6 82 Villanova
7 88 Northern Iowa
8 90 William & Mary
9 92 South Dakota State
10 94 Jacksonville State
11 95 New Hampshire
12 96 Southern Illinois
13 97 Missouri State
14 100 Montana
15 102 Sam Houston State
16 105 Coastal Carolina
17 111 Youngstown State
18 114 Harvard
19 115 Liberty
20 116 Princeton
21 117 Cal Poly
22 118 Maine
23 119 Illinois State
24 122 Tennessee State
25 124 McNeese State
Code:1. MVFC 59.49
2. Colonial 55.82
3. Ohio Valley 53.18
4. Southland 51.06
5. Southern 47.99
6. Ivy League 47.76
7. Big Sky 46.84
Lots of us really appreciate the time put into compiling and posting this information. By you and the others who have done so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hammersmith
Great stuff as usual, thanks!
Further proof that there is quite a drop after the top of the Big Sky: The Big Sky conference predictor is closer to the MEAC than to the MVFC.
Your differential for the Furman game should be -4.48 not 4.48
#17 North Dakota State AA 86.38 15 0
#134 Wyoming A 55.84 5 7
Coach Bohl has his work cut out for him. The 2013 Bison may turn out to be the best team he ever coaches.
I'd like to see Wyoming improve, then meet NDSU for an EPIC showdown in about 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalBison
Fast forward 4 years. Predicted thread count for "Will the coaches shake hands after the game?".Quote:
Originally Posted by THEsocalledfan
I have a feeling time will heal any wounds. How Bohl can be upset with Klieman, if the reporting is true, had to be a heat of the moment type of issue. When Bohl reflects rationally, he will see Klieman would be a fool if he came with him and turned down NDSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by td577
Egyptian cotton or...?Quote:
Originally Posted by td577
Thanks. Excel operator error.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUBowler
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Originally Posted by EndZoneQB
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I dont think the final rankings indicate where Furman is at. That team is going to make some serious noise next season.
There was a WY local on one of the blogs that gave Bohl 3 years. She said there is no fan base to work with; Laramie is a small town of 25,000, middle of no where with tough recruiting into a program cultured in failure.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoCalBison
Bohl's challenge is recruiting 4-5 star FBS players, building a fan base, building a winning team culture and mentality, changing the program from spread offense to defensive first culture, etc.....
The first Bohl recruiting class will have to deal with the fact that it will take most of their college careers to even to begin a winning tradition. It is not going to happen over night (3 years?).
I've got a feeling that in 3 years, both Bohl and the supporters of Wyoming football are going to wish he was back in Fargo. Just an Earl Solomonson intuition.Quote:
Originally Posted by VirginiaBison
Anyone that thinks Bohl is going to be recruiting 4 and 5 star players to Wyoming is out of their minds. Boise State, America's darlings and the undisputed kings of the Mountain West conference have signed 3 4 star splayers in the last 5 seasons, never even getting a sniff of a 5 star. The Minnesota Golden Gophers, with their endless pool of money and their B1G status, have only been able to ink 3 4 star recruits in the last 5 seasons, all from the same class and are about to lose their only 4 star recruit for this season to Florida. Wyoming has no 4 or 5 star recruits at any point in the last 6 years. Bohl is going to have to make his hay where he always has, with guys that aren't as highly though of as they should be. He'll get a handful of 3 star guys, but his bread is going to be buttered with 2 star players and the same kind of "finds" like he made here.Quote:
Originally Posted by VirginiaBison
Bohl doesn't need a single 4-star guy on that roster. Give him a decent group of 3 star guys and they will dominate. The whole "star" thing is completely overrated imo. People act like 4-5 star recruits are some separate class of superhuman that everyone else just gets dominated by. Boise state has taken it to big time programs with their 4-5 star guys and Boise is mainly just 3-2 star guys. NDSU with their 2 star and unranked guys has been taking it to FBS rosters loaded with 3 star and occasional 4-star guys. Athletic ability and skill are not static qualities and some programs develop them better than others. Give coach Bohl 3 and 2 star guys and they will give BCS teams all they can handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by VirginiaBison
Bohl doesn't need a single 4-star guy on that roster. Give him a decent group of 3 star guys and they will dominate. The whole "star" thing is completely overrated imo. People act like 4-5 star recruits are some separate class of superhuman that everyone else just gets dominated by. Boise state has taken it to big time programs with their 4-5 star guys and Boise is mainly just 3-2 star guys. NDSU with their 2 star and unranked guys has been taking it to FBS rosters loaded with 3 star and occasional 4-star guys. Athletic ability and skill are not static qualities and some programs develop them better than others. Give coach Bohl 3 and 2 star guys and they will give BCS teams all they can handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by VirginiaBison
I believe that the same remains true for NDSU as well...give us some 2 star and occasional 3 star guys and we will continue beating up on the supposed big boys of FBS.
We all will get a very early gauge of where Wyoming is at in relation to NDSU with Montana coming to Fargo 3 weeks after their season opening trip to Laramie.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU1980