FCS is dead I can acknowledge that. Just get rid of the made of dreams and numbers and face reality of FBS and it's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
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FCS is dead I can acknowledge that. Just get rid of the made of dreams and numbers and face reality of FBS and it's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Just as my high school math teacher would say.... Please show your work.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
I'll show mine... Currently there is about 65 G5 teams. One of them will be put into the CFP starting in 2024.
So by definition, the odds can not be any worse than 1/65 (or 1.5%). Now, of those teams, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that NDSU would be at least in the top half in terms of on-field performance. So, that would make it 1/33 (or around 3%).
Still not high odds however much better than what the daycare provider thinks.
NDSU, like every other G5, would need to rely on whatever conference you are in to be the highest rated..That changes your odds considerably..Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
This is true. The odds do change based on the quality of the conference. Each year there will be changes as to who is the best conference. Another big factor is OOC scheduling and winning some of those games. It's a crap shoot. That being said, NDSU would likely be battling it out against a couple dozen schools for that spot... Kind of like trying to win a National Championship in the FCS a decade ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
The winner of the highest rated conference doesn't even have to be the best team in that conference. There are upsets in conference championship games from time to time. It isn't just 30 teams in the hunt every year..
Wanting a potential chance at a CFP slot is a worthy goal but you probably should have a bunch of other goals as well to move to FBS.
Did you even read his post? You're hurting (y)our own point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
And doing math with made up numbers isn't helping either lol
The highest rated conference champion out of the G5 will make the playoff. There will only be 5 winners to pick from each year. The goal would be to win the conference and then be the highest rated out of those 5 schools. At the beginning of each season, NDSU would have about 65 teams to beat out. They come from difference conferences with different schedules but one will be guaranteed to make it each year.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
The auto bid goes to the champion of the highest rated G5 "conference.". It doesn't go to the highest individual rated G5 champion unless said school is the champion of the highest rated conference as a whole..
Yea so if Mountain West in 2026 is the HIGHEST RATED G5 CONFERENCE
and the MWC Championship is NDSU vs Boise State then we have a 50% chance of being that 1 CFP G5 Representative.
So ^^^^ THAT GAME would be the biggest in NDSU football history.
Win that and the #12 vs #5 seed ( TCU this year or Kansas State) would be the Biggest game in NDSU Football history.
GIMME THAT CHANCE plus 3 Huge OOC games in BIG TIME stadiums with a great conference schedule of Boise, Colo St, Wyoming, Air Force, Fresno ???
DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH its a NO BRAINER!!
How are all the other teams viewed at NDSU? Hell how are all the teams at UND viewed outside of hockey?Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSU92
Although I do agree with many of the FBS folks, what is really needed for people to get excided about NDSU football is for them to lose... The fan base isn't hungry anymore.
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Originally Posted by MWC
Here is what I found on the google machine:
"The 12-team format will feature, in order, the top four conference champions, followed by some combination of the top six at-large bids and two highest-ranked remaining conference champions. Teams will be ordered based on the College Football Playoff rankings.
That guarantees at least one "Group of 5" team will make the Playoff each year and, while it's unlikely, allows the possibility of more than one G5 team making the Playoff in lieu of a "Power 5" team."
Based on what this says, one of the two spots goes to one of the two highest rated remaining conference champions. This does not say that it's the champion of the highest rated conference. It says the highest ranked remaining conference champion.
So for example, Team A could be a champion in the 2nd highest rated G5 conference. As long as they were the highest rated team to win their respective conference, they would go.
That is a pretty thin thread to hang onto.
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Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Is it the highest rated conference's champion or the highest rated conference champion?Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
That changes the math considerably.
Western Michigan has been in a NY6 bowl. People should also remember the G5's best positioned to be consistently good are going P5. Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, and UCF.
The G5 conferences took a hard kick to the dick with those teams leaving, even though BYU was indy, they played a lot of G5 games.
I think anyone suggesting "oh its gonna be impossible for (insert respectable non-P5 program) to make it in!" is sorta sandbagging.
It's gonna be an uphill battle. Anyone moving up with the expectation of being a regular playoff team should have their head examined. But lets say School A is in the MAC.
School A has wins over a decent P5 (Minnesota?), a couple ok G5's, and a bad G5. They also went undefeated in the conference.. They are sitting at 12-0. That team has a very good shot at the playoff.
College football rewards G5's for winning. Always has, always will. "BUT BYESONBUSINESS, DO YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GO UNDEFEATED?!" Yes. I'm from Jamestown. I get how hard winning is. fortunately.....ITS HARD FOR THE OTHER TEAMS TOO.
End of the day, if you have a conference championship quality team, you have a pretty decent shot at the playoff if you do well in non-conference games. Don't even need to go undefeated probably!
Could easily see an NDSU type team make a legit run at it every few years if the hypo transition is successful. Maybe make it every 10 years. Sounds good to me.
Also...yes. you probably get rocked. But thats how life goes. You get to play a meaningful game against one of the best teams in college football. That sounds like a lot of fun.
How have the 1 v 4 matchups gone the past few years? Let's say Alabama plays Tulane this year in a 5 v 12. Game over in a heartbeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
You can math all you want but reality is the real bitch.
How's that gonna work when Boise ain't in the conference. Strength of conference takes a massive hit and MWC and sitting there anyway. But keep jerking it and dreaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
No man...don't you know....NDSU is raking in every recruit in the upper midwest. Game over.Quote:
Originally Posted by MWC
I'm not sure what your issue is. You have said that the FCS is dead (which I agree with you on). Why get worried then if NDSU were to get to the CFP and get throttled? At least they had a chance. Right now we play for shits and giggles with no benefit to winning or losing. Most of our season is against underfunded teams. I'd personally take our lumps and get throttled if we were to make it to the CFP than pretend to be a big shot when we really are not.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
I don't have an issue, and I'm not "worried" about shit. As I stated earlier NDSU is in a shitty spot. FCS is dead. G5 football isn't much better. And NDSU's geography is dick for FBS and they have no peers that wanna go with. Go FBS I seriously don't give a rats ass but the made up bullshit about making the 12 or 20K to an ass bowl game is just ridiculous at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by NDSUguy
The 1 v 4 has been spoiled because the top kids have been funneled to a very small number of schools. With legalized NIL, and an expanded playoff, about two dozen more schools became more desirable. (Thats called watering downQuote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
There would also be the challenge for getting good out of conference games that would move NDSU up in the polls if they managed to win those games.
That is a massive assumption. But I guess all of this is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ByeSonBusiness
think Coastal JMU Appy Liberty. ALL RANKEDQuote:
Originally Posted by Hammerhead
NDSU is right there.
Ya NDSU is ranked ahead of all of them ��, and they’re all in no one cares land.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
yes everyone in the country cares that's a legit football fan.
what they DONT CARE ABOUT is FCS football
and judging by our 3 playoff games our fans DONT CARE ANYMORE
so wake up NDSU admin. it's over. it was a great run
NDSU admin knows. They're working on getting us there. They know they're late to the game. Chill out man.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
I would guess they are freaking out in ADML's office right now regarding tickets. He's gotten the message.
Nobody really cares. Quit telling yourself that. The gamblers and people with nothing better to do. And that’s it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Hahaha you don't follow.college sports. we get itQuote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
So you’re saying if we would be FBS we would also be ranked since we currently rank ahead of them. Oh and we would no longer be in the FCS less than no one cares land.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
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ding ding ding..Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Coastal Carolina went from crowds of 6-10k to larger than usQuote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Great for them. Bet you don’t give a shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Dohkay then. You watched just as much G5 football as most, barely any or on for background noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
You did bring up a good point though…. Most people don’t really care that much. And if they do…SPORTS SPORTS SPORTS
I'm jealous they draw better than us, are FBS ranked, get a bowl game and get to host non conference games vs teams like Army. Getting annual P5 games helps tooQuote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
I dont care about them anymore than I care about Alabama or LSU
I enjoy the FCS playoffs, so Im not discrediting us either. The Natty will be on ABC
The ol’ Birmingham bowl v ECU. Should be an instant classic. At least 2 fan bases will be treated to excellence.Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
In the grand scale of college football, G5 is the worst of the best and the best of the worse. That’s all I’m saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAILG8R
Why not an instant classic? The world is larger than North Dakota. That game is much more intruiging to the masses than Incarnate Word. Quiz without looking it up, how many know what state Incarnate Word hails from? Even if Incarnate Word is the greatest team in FCS history, nobody will tune in because of themQuote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Who mentioned incarnate word?Quote:
Originally Posted by HerdBot
Breaking news…FCS can be dead and G5 can be less than exciting to the general population it doesn’t have to be one or the other. As stated a billion times, go FBS. to think that’s gonna send NDSU into the stratosphere is like hoping the Vikings win the Super Bowl.
enjoy hoople...
I don't think it it will send us to the stratosphere but it will re-invigorate the fan base that has seen the same thing for 11 years in a row. The only reason I brought up Incarnate Word is because you made a cheap jab at a G5 Bowl Game for a program that draws more fans than we do. Although when we played Arizona, Minnesota, etc, we totally outdraw them. It's all about competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by daddy daycare
Here's the future of FCS. The top teams in the CAA move up. Teams like Youngstown move to a different conference, like has already been discussed. Mankato, Augustana and Duluth move up. We accept St Thomas. The FCS decides to cut scholarships, in the name of parity. That's what happened in D2. History could repeat itself. Maybe they combine FCS and G5? Heck maybe they combine D2 and FCS.
We can't go any higher. Reality is when we are fully funded (whether it's at the D2 level or FCS) we are dominant. There is a reason we were competitive from day 1 moving up.
If we ten peat. Fans will get bored. If we drop down to earth, fans will get bored because we're still going to dominate the same mediocre teams like Indiana State and Western Illinois and in the regular season and play cup cakes like Drake or Butler in the non conference. We're still going to play teams like San Diego in the 1st or 2nd round. Worst case scenario, a team who cares about football like Montana, Montana State or SDSU overtake us but we are still considered a powerhouse (kind of like they call SDSU a powerhouse, even though they haven't won shit) and make the playoffs every year.
At this point, all we can do is try to get better, which will widen the gap even more or keep it the same. Maybe we can figure out a way to pay our head coach a million bucks and quadruple the assistant coaches salaries. We can do some sort of NIL deal, that only a handful of FCS schools will match. Maybe one of the Montana schools or SDSU have the will or resources to do that.
We can improve the Fargodome so it's a better overall fan experience and a more impressive recruiting tool. That might help a little. We can do something huge like build an athletics village for fans, that might help. Expand tailgating to all day? Build permanent tailgating facilities. Maybe build some space age looking locker room to wow recruits. Maybe we can figure out a way to build a 600 million dollar indoor stadium, paid for by the city and NDSU. But let's say that happens... are we going to be an FCS program with a 30K seat world class indoor stadium competing against Mankato State?
I enjoy the playoffs, but it's obvious I'm not the majority of people. The playoff attendance numbers don't lie.
NDSU NOT BEING FBS has cost us numerous recruits the last couple years 3-4 decommits this year
Sigle just got a Kansas St offer
NDSU being treated like minor leagues by FBS teams picking off our best players.
10000 fans for last 3 games
our 2nd teasers are making the semi-finals/finals.
this is enough!!! we have to make a stand!!