A new and better FBS thread

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

Day 1. NDSU program is beyond better than most of MWC. maybe Boise & Sdsu
maybe

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I am unconvinced that is true..

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Originally Posted by MWC

Wreck is an interesting word..

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Gotta earn it.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

MWC is not a good fit for us/NDSU at all. That’s why we aren’t actively working that angle.

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If the MWC is not a good fit then which G5 is any better? MWC is the best G5 conference for the Bison.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

what the F

if MWC is #1 rated G5 conference and NDSU wins MWC championship then YES they will be in the top 12.

WOULDNT YOU WANT THAT THEN WIU UND PUDVILLE

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If….if….if….

And then reality

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Originally Posted by MWC

I am unconvinced that is true..

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NDSU has better athletes, just watch a game and compare it to what we saw in Laramie tonight. NDSU would have rolled both of them and this is a down year for the Bison.

I am unconvinced that is true..

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Originally Posted by MWC

I am unconvinced that is true..

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4 years and you would be.

Didn't uND beat Wyoming convincingly just recently?

I am unconvinced this thread is productive.

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

4 years and you would be.

Didn't uND beat Wyoming convincingly just recently?

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FCS teams win games against FBS teams..It happens..Figuring out a way to beat 11 or 12 FBS schools a season is a bit of a different thing. I respect your program but I also don't think it will be the breeze you think it would be..I do wonder why you guys want to be in a conference that you don't respect at all, but that is just me..

I think some people need to realize there's more to conference membership than football.

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Originally Posted by MWC

FCS teams win games against FBS teams..It happens..Figuring out a way to beat 11 or 12 FBS schools a season is a bit of a different thing. I respect your program but I also don't think it will be the breeze you think it would be..I do wonder why you guys want to be in a conference that you don't respect at all, but that is just me..

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UND. A bad FCS team. Beat a MW team, "convincingly".

4 years and NDSU would figure out that 11, 12 game challenge of yours, and wreck your conference.

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Originally Posted by taper

I think some people need to realize there's more to conference membership than football.

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We know bro, but he asked what NDSU would bring. So we're telling him.

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

We know bro, but he asked what NDSU would bring. So we're telling him.

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We'll bring shit-talking fans the likes of which they have never seen.

MWC is convinced this is true...

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Originally Posted by EC8CH

We know bro, but he asked what NDSU would bring. So we're telling him.

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I have never denied you have a fine football program. You guys seem to think the MW doesn't have any good football programs. I am not sure why you would even have any interest in joining if you equate the MW to the schools you already play..

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Originally Posted by MWC

I have never denied you have a fine football program. You guys seem to think the MW doesn't have any good football programs. I am not sure why you would even have any interest in joining if you equate the MW to the schools you already play..

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It's a step up. But we play Western Illinois and Indiana State right now, soooooo.

4 years, NDSU takes that step and wrecks your conference.

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Originally Posted by gavin2126

We'll bring shit-talking fans the likes of which they have never seen.

MWC is convinced this is true...

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This is true.

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Originally Posted by gavin2126

We'll bring shit-talking fans the likes of which they have never seen.

MWC is convinced this is true...

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And A LOT of penis envy. HUGELY---LOTS

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Originally Posted by MWC

I think lots of folks here speak of how great it would be for NDSU to be invited but not so much about what is in it for the MW..

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Can't tell if trolling or what, but you're the one who asked why NDSU would be interested in the MW. I answered your question. Why ask the question if you're going to have a dumb response like that lol

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

MWC is not a good fit for us/NDSU at all. That’s why we aren’t actively working that angle.

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That's interesting. If not MWC or CUSA (far worse), that seems to only leave the AAC or MAC.
Are we AAC or bust? Or swinging for the fences with the PAC / B12?

AAC has good competition, and would raise our stature. The downside there is the media payout for new schools is lower than MWC, and most of their footprint is in the South East region.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

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Only opinions that are dismissed are ones not based in reality, ones that voice we need to move up just because and those of the constant lie tellers.
My fandom has nothing to do with my being able to judge bullshit when I see it.

But then again thats just your opinion also. .

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I have never personally advocated to move just because or at all costs. I also don’t come here with rumors or hearsay. Never have never will. The reality is the NDSU leadership invested in a $50 million dollar football centric practice facility. That facility makes very little sense if we stay FCS. I want leadership to help me and the fanbase understand why they put that at the top of the priority list if an FBS invite wasn’t almost guaranteed by building it. Maybe it is and maybe it’s coming soon. If an invite doesn’t come very soon, that choice makes the decision very questionable given the impacts a similar investment in men’s and women’s bb salaries, recruiting and scheduling could have had. I don’t think there are any lies in that position, it is very much based in reality.

That is my opinion and you are dismissive. Memes and emojis aren’t adult dialogue.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

I have never personally advocated to move just because or at all costs. I also don’t come here with rumors or hearsay. Never have never will. The reality is the NDSU leadership invested in a $50 million dollar football centric practice facility. That facility makes very little sense if we stay FCS. I want leadership to help me and the fanbase understand why they put that at the top of the priority list if an FCS invite wasn’t almost guaranteed by building it. Maybe it is and maybe it’s coming soon. If an invite doesn’t come very soon, that choice makes the decision very questionable given the impacts a similar investment in men’s and women’s bb salaries, recruiting and scheduling could have had. I don’t think there are any lies in that position, it is very much based in reality.

That is my opinion and you are dismissive. Memes and emojis aren’t adult dialogue.

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I agree IF it was all NDSU's money, that investing it in basketball could have had a bigger impact on that sport. And, raising the profile of Basketball success would likely make us MUCH more attractive to FBS conferences also. Gonzaga is said to be in discussions with the B12 and others. FBS conferences aren't going to invite us because we built a premium practice facility. Facility wise, higher seating capacity in the dome would be what they look at. Beyond winning, the metrics conferences examine are enrollment, endowment size, stadium capacity, and attendance, along with geography and metro area. They would also more likely want to add a school that has both football and basketball success.

The thing is, this was private funds from people who chose to support football. It's not clear those boosters have any interest in basketball. And it will help us improve football regardless of whether we are in FCS or not. This will be attractive to recruits, and help our practice sessions in the colder months.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

I agree IF it was all NDSU's money, that investing it in basketball could have had a bigger impact on that sport. And, raising the profile of Basketball success would likely make us MUCH more attractive to FBS conferences also. FBS conferences aren't going to invite us because we built a premium practice facility. Facility wise, higher seating capacity in the dome would be what they look at. They would also more likely want to add a school that has both football and basketball success.

The thing is, this was private funds from people who chose to support football. It's not clear those boosters have any interest in basketball. And it will help us improve football regardless of whether we are in FCS or not. This will be attractive to recruits, and help our practice sessions in the colder months.

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The football program has earned the support it gets. Money wasn’t just thrown at it in hopes it would get better. The MBB program has done nothing of that sort, nothing, despite money/facility improvements having been directed at the program. Still not convinced at all that throwing money at MBB will automatically result in a better product, although difficult at this point to be worse.

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Originally Posted by BigHorns

I agree IF it was all NDSU's money, that investing it in basketball could have had a bigger impact on that sport. And, raising the profile of Basketball success would likely make us MUCH more attractive to FBS conferences also. FBS conferences aren't going to invite us because we built a premium practice facility. Facility wise, higher seating capacity in the dome would be what they look at. They would also more likely want to add a school that has both football and basketball success.

The thing is, this was private funds from people who chose to support football. It's not clear those boosters have any interest in basketball. And it will help us improve football regardless of whether we are in FCS or not. This will be attractive to recruits, and help our practice sessions in the colder months.

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That’s not how it works. Boosters have lots of influence with their dollars but they don’t tell NDSU to build a practice facility. The ath. Dept. wanted a practice facility and the boosters were brought in to support that endeavor. I understand that they likely would not have been able to raise $50 million with a less tangible project like increasing basketball scheduling, recruiting and coaching salary budgets. But if that’s what would/will move the entire athletic department profile forward then that is one of the first few responsibilities listed on the AD’s job description. So a practice facility will improve our football recruiting so that we can win 9 of the next 11 FCS championships and continue to see declining attendance? What’s the purpose? I just don’t see it. Again this is why I say that the AD needs to share the vision and explain the plan. It doesn’t pencil out to me.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

The football program has earned the support it gets. Money wasn’t just thrown at it in hopes it would get better. The MBB program has done nothing of that sort, nothing, despite money/facility improvements having been directed at the program. Still not convinced at all that throwing money at MBB will automatically result in a better product, although difficult at this point to be worse.

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Money was thrown at the football program in the early sixties prior to them earning it. Since then they definitely have provided an absolutely remarkable return on that investment.

If an FBS invite comes soon, the practice facility is really helpful in continuing to improve the level of talent we bring in so that we can compete at the FBS level. The benefits of the practice facility are less apparent at the FCS level. Unless winning 9 of 11 championships is unacceptable and we won’t settle for anything less than 11 of the next 11.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

Money was thrown at the football program in the early sixties prior to them earning it. Since then they definitely have provided an absolutely remarkable return on that investment.

If an FBS invite comes soon, the practice facility is really helpful in continuing to improve the level of talent we bring in so that we can compete at the FBS level. The benefits of the practice facility are less apparent at the FCS level. Unless winning 9 of 11 championships is unacceptable and we won’t settle for anything less than 11 of the next 11.

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The MBB program in the 80s had all the money it needed to be good and it didn’t improve. Had it improved at the same rate as football or even WBB, it would have way more support today in terms of $$ and fans.

I can’t support giving someone a bonus for doing nothing more than a below average job.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

The MBB program in the 80s had all the money it needed to be good and it didn’t improve. Had it improved at the same rate as football or even WBB, it would have way more support today in terms of $$ and fans.

I can’t support giving someone a bonus for doing nothing more than a below average job.

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Ok. I’ll concede that basketball’s past performance hasn’t warranted more investment. I think you could argue that was maybe more about coaching hires than funding but I’ll concede that the results haven’t been close to football.

BigHorns said the practice facility doesn’t really move the needle for an FBS invite and that stadium size would be much more beneficial in that endeavor. If that is indeed the case, what does the practice facility do for the football program if an FBS invite doesn’t come in the next 10 years? Keep in mind that it seems like our recruiting and player development has been at or near the top of FCS without the practice facility.

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Originally Posted by CAS4127

The MBB program in the 80s had all the money it needed to be good and it didn’t improve. Had it improved at the same rate as football or even WBB, it would have way more support today in terms of $$ and fans.

I can’t support giving someone a bonus for doing nothing more than a below average job.

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I do understand this viewpoint. It's also probably much easier to raise money for football because of this.

This is likely how most of our boosters see things, and that's unfortunate. Because the right coaching hire and support can absolutely produce basketball success. There are many examples of this. And big time basketball success would likely fast track us for FBS conferences. The practice facility won't.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

This has been my concern as well and I’ve voiced it here enough times that the horse has been beaten into dust. I don’t agree with how it’s been handled from the PR side but it is what it is. If we were staying FCS we wouldn’t have built the IPF the way we did. My understanding is in that fact.

My way of combatting the apathy with my different friend groups or tailgating groups is just to go ahead and tell people we’re working on going FBS. At this point I’ve heard enough rumblings from people that know and I’ve seen enough to be pretty confident that we’re working on it. I usually say it in response to a “I just can’t keep going to games like this” “I don’t see the point in donating anymore” “why renew my season tickets” comment. 10 times out of 10 it gets other people excited to hear it. If our admin won’t seize the narrative we as fans can continue to do so.

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Sure, fans like us can and probably will continue to be ambassadors of the program. However, if the vision isn’t being sold by the leadership and they aren’t leveraging us more as ambassadors, then they deserve some criticism. Not advocating that they get fired. Just believe they need to better on explaining the plan/vision.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

Sure, fans like us can and probably will continue to be ambassadors of the program. However, if the vision isn’t being sold by the leadership and they aren’t leveraging us more as ambassadors, then they deserve some criticism. Not advocating that they get fired. Just believe they need to better on explaining the plan/vision.

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It's unfortunate. I've come to the conclusion that if it truly would harm our chances of going FBS by stating that we wanted to go FBS, then I'm okay with them not saying anything. Whether that's actually the case or not, I don't think so but hey I'm not the expert. At the end of the day they've had 100 chances by now to seize the narrative and they've chosen not to do so, for better or worse. It's not coming and it's probably best to come to peace with it.

Like I said, I've heard enough rumblings and nuanced changes in the messaging to know that they're working on it. Let's just hope it ends up being something we can all get behind.

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

It's unfortunate. I've come to the conclusion that if it truly would harm our chances of going FBS by stating that we wanted to go FBS, then I'm okay with them not saying anything. Whether that's actually the case or not, I don't think so but hey I'm not the expert. At the end of the day they've had 100 chances by now to seize the narrative and they've chosen not to do so, for better or worse. It's not coming and it's probably best to come to peace with it.

Like I said, I've heard enough rumblings and nuanced changes in the messaging to know that they're working on it. Let's just hope it ends up being something we can all get behind.

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I agree, coming to peace with it is probably best. That being said, for many coming to peace with it is reducing their investment into the program.

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

I agree, coming to peace with it is probably best. That being said, for many coming to peace with it is reducing their investment into the program.

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Just make sure you put that money to work somewhere else. We might need it in a few years :)

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Originally Posted by NDSU92

Just make sure you put that money to work somewhere else. We might need it in a few years :)

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That’s the risk leadership is takingby not seizing the narrative. It might not come back and I don’t blame fans for choosing to invest their time and money elsewhere.

I would be fine if you were invited to the MW. It does seem that many here don't see it as a step up in competition or have much, if any, interest in the other members. I guess being FBS in a conference you don't like or respect is good enough..If you just see it as a platform for you to dominate then go P5 in a few years that is one thing. That is a hard journey and I wish you well. If it doesn't play out like that you could be stuck in a conference you don't want to be in. If you are not as fabulous as you promise you will be, the MW is stuck with you.

FCS is so PUD. playoffs not even 1 mention on espn
website

https://www.espn.com/college-football/

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Originally Posted by BigLakeBison

Money was thrown at the football program in the early sixties prior to them earning it. Since then they definitely have provided an absolutely remarkable return on that investment.

If an FBS invite comes soon, the practice facility is really helpful in continuing to improve the level of talent we bring in so that we can compete at the FBS level. The benefits of the practice facility are less apparent at the FCS level. Unless winning 9 of 11 championships is unacceptable and we won’t settle for anything less than 11 of the next 11.

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Youre looking at the practice facility in just a one view trade off for football when the PF is going to benefit more sports. And IF the PF just benefits the FB team to keep us competitive at this level Im good with that also. Nothing different than when the SHAC was first built back in 1969. It helped many different sports but at that time it was state of the art and brought prestige with it and it was a huge recruiting tool.

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Originally Posted by El_Chapo

FCS is so PUD. playoffs not even 1 mention on espn
website

https://www.espn.com/college-football/

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I don't see anything about SDSU, Boise or the MWC either.
Almost no mention of G5 teams. Reality is 95% of the coverage goes to the P5 teams.

We did get the Selection Show on ESPNU on a Sunday.
And the Championship will be on ABC. That is pretty significant.

Boise versus Utah State will be on the main CBS network on Saturday at 12PM Eastern time..An actual daytime football game. That is cool.

However, it is true that the MW gets scant coverage on the national stage..It is a regional conference that most folks in other parts of the country know nothing about. Or even care..

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Originally Posted by MWC

Boise versus Utah State will be on the main CBS network on Saturday at 12PM Eastern time..An actual daytime football game. That is cool.

However, it is true that the MW gets scant coverage on the national stage..It is a regional conference that most folks in other parts of the country know nothing about. Or even care..

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You just described all G5 conferences, except most of them don't get that level of television coverage or media money.

The AAC gets way more coverage and way way more tv money..Most of their teams are in large population areas..The MW doesn't have a lot of that. But since you are all looking at the MW as nothing more than a way station for a few seasons, that shouldn't hold you back.

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Originally Posted by 56BISON73

Youre looking at the practice facility in just a one view trade off for football when the PF is going to benefit more sports. And IF the PF just benefits the FB team to keep us competitive at this level Im good with that also. Nothing different than when the SHAC was first built back in 1969. It helped many different sports but at that time it was state of the art and brought prestige with it and it was a huge recruiting tool.

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It is an impressive facility. It is 75-80% football focused. Other sports will benefit in smaller ways. It’s a big price tag to maintain success at the FCS level. It is needed more to up our recruiting if we’re FBS. Smells a little like ego and besting SDSU & UND.