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It's everybody in Cass and Clay counties. The Boise MSA was about 400,000 in 1996 when they moved up. 80% bigger than the F-M MSA is now. Starting from today Fargo is 2 decades of sustained growth at 33% a decade away from where they were when then moved up 18 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1998braves64
Yes the Fargo Metropolitan Statistical Area includes all of Cass and Clay counties.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1998braves64
The Fargo-Wahpeton Combined Statistical Area includes those as well as all of Richland and Wilkin counties.
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Originally Posted by El_Chapo
Let's take a look at UMass's schedule then, shall we - it must be a great indicator of where we want to be since El Chapo wanted our AD to be the guy who brought UMass to such great prestige.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
Boston College (home) - ACC team should get them on TV, right? Only ESPN3
Colorado (home) - PAC12 team should get them on TV, right? Only ESPN3
Vanderbilt (away) - SEC team should get them on an ESPN channel, right? FSN & ESPN3
Penn State (away) - B1G team should get them on TV, right? No TV at all
Bowling Green (home) - ESPN3
Miami-Ohio (away) - ESPN3
Kent State (away) - ESPN3
Eastern Michigan (home) - ESPN3
Toledo (away) - ESPN3/ESPN Game Plan/BCSN (whatever that is)
Ball State (home) - ESPNU - Wednesday night game
Akron (away) - ESPNU/ESPN3 - Tuesday night game
Buffalo (home) - No Tv - Friday night game
From everything I've read from you two, that out of conference schedule is your dream schedule: 4 P5 schools and two of them at home. The only non mid-week game on "national tv": at Vanderbilt, but obviously FSN aired that game because of UMass just because "random beat writer" wrote it. The fact that these teams have to whore themselves out to play mid-week games shows that NDSU needs to stay the hell away from this conference. so sad. NDSU deserves so much more.
That SCHEDULE of teams is AWESOME! ! Can you imagine the excitement playing those teams!!!
Exactly. A Big 10 opponent, SEC opponent, ACC opponent, and Pac 12 opponent! We are no UMASS. NDSU is a great regional brand. We could be on national TV or Fox Sport Net every single game, instead of just the ND NBC Network.
No TV. Except for the mid-week games at the end of the season. With 5,000 fans. Perfect.Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Chapo
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Originally Posted by NorthernBison
That's the average MVFC game--not the MAC.
I've watched parts of MAC games on TV. The Alerus has larger crowds. No purple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
Northern. Get this thru your head buddy.
If NDSU joined the mac or sun belt tomorrow BisoNation would have the best crowds no matter what. NDSU would be top dog! We'd elevate those conferences!!! We'd be the poster boy & the next Boise State....espn would love that story!
Don't ever compare BisoNation to ZipNation
damn. Thatd be a fun schedule. an ACC & Pac 12 team coming to Fargo? The midweek national game are gravy. If NDSU is ever to the point of hosting a p5 school here and there after giving them 2 or 3 for 1s, then NDSU has made it. Those schools make way more than FCS ones do for visiting P5 schoolsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mayville Bison
until then, you can keep dissing the MAC or whatever. but they have it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better than the MVFC. NDSU is the gem of the MVFC. is any other program even worth the breath to move up with or can NDSU just please do this solo?
That schedule would be a blast.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
http://www.hustlebelt.com/2014/8/19/...c-espn-tv-deal
For all you MAC haters. Go to hell!!!!!!!!!!!!! $700,000 per team per year. And growing of the brand.
Currently, what is NDSU's share of the MVFC TV contract and the Summit League's TV contract? LOL
Whats the revenue lost for having games on Tues/Weds instead of Sat? Also are the schools responsible for ads and do the schools have to pay for university ads during the programming for slots that ESPN cannot sell?Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
nice touch from the pro FBS crowdQuote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
Wow. Just wowQuote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
ZQuote:
Originally Posted by missingnumber7
Zero for NDSU. Not every game is on Tuesday/Wednesday. NDSU cannot sell 19,300 for a nationally televised game on a Tuesday? You think that lightly of our growing fan base?
NDSU doesn't sell 19300 tickets for Saturday afternoon games. What makes you think that being Nationally Televised would sell more tickets, on a School night, when there are a large number of people that come from out of town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
This isn't 1915. People have motor vehicles. People cannot get 5 hours of sleep on game night or miss a day of work if they are going to travel? You make it sound like NDSU would draw 10,000 for the 2 games on Tuesday or Wed.
So NDSU should based it's decision not to join the MAC because some of the fans would be inconvenienced for having to tailgate on a workday as opposed to a Saturday on two games out of six?
(The 19,300 was based on the small amount of expansion the Dome is playing to do.)
What is the economic impact of 10 playoff games over the past 4 years? I don't know the numbers and don't want to look them up. I also wonder how much the playoff games has had a secondary effect of businesses supporting Bison athletics which offsets some of the possible direct payout from a conference like the MAC. At what point does NDSU lose that support during any stretches of mediocrity. Does it matter? I see a lot of points about what moving into some of these conferences is supposed to bring, but there isn't much discussion about what the potential losses might be. Travel costs, OOC home game payouts, expanded marketing, and other factors. Do these factors have to add up to two bottom lines. One is the net profit bottom line. Will the athletic department become completely self sufficient or at least decrease being subsidized? The other bottom line is can be surpass our present notoriety. It could be argued we become another Ball State. Who really care about Ball State? Who even knows where Ball State is at? Right now, the college football community is quite aware of NDSU and Fargo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
There is another argument in all of this which is never mentioned. If the MAC wants to expand, why wouldn't Youngstown or even UNI be either as or more attractive than NDSU. Especially YSU. While it doesn't expand the MAC's possible midwest footprint, it makes a lot more sense as far as travel goes for all of it's member institutions. In fact, you could probably argue that there are a handful of FCS programs which might make more sense in the MAC's current footprint. Youngstown could immediately expand their stadium to 25k+, could certainly use that $700k a year as much as anyone, and could operate within the conference at a fraction of the cost as a NDSU. In fact, if being in the MAC is so impressive, if I was YSU I would be begging them to let me in. If the MAC were expanding, it just makes too much sense. I think the real situation here, which happens to be the most important one, is the MAC isn't expanding anytime soon. If they were, it would become a competition and one NDSU might not be able to compete with considering what other schools might be able to bring to the table at much less of a cost. The other side to all of this is if the MAC is so spectacular and is willing to discuss expansion, why is there no other school in the discussion? That seems a bit strange to me.
So you would whore yourself out and make a move that wouldnt be in NDSUs best interest for 700K?Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
You've said you're for the move if ndsu feels it's for the best. Why are you saying like it isn't here?Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
If NDSU made that move I am positive they would lay it all out there to show the benefits etc. Even if I didnt agree I would still support it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MNLonghorn10
But what I responded to was a talking point. His premise is hey---700K is a deal breaker? Plus he hasnt shown me where the move is a positive.
challenging the athletics programs and supporters to play at a higher level. All the chest thumping I hear from the bison faithful about the quality of football program we have and so many are afraid to go up and play the schools that take football seriously... Really makes no sense to not go IF we can find any sort of way to afford it without making the taxpayer pay for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 56BISON73
http://thesouthern.com/sports/colleg...a4bcf887a.html
Just to stir the pot. Here, is chatter of the MVFC conference moving up and merging with the SunBelt. Talk about a super conference. :)
Yawn................Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
How many elite FCS schools have moved to FBS and you can say are now a better program? Marshall would have to be the best example. This is probably one of their best seasons ever at the FBS level and can you honestly say they're better than their last FCS season?Quote:
Originally Posted by td577
Boise State. They were a junior college when NDSU won their first national championship in 1965. Went to D 2. They to DIAA where they won the national championship in 1980.Quote:
Originally Posted by natstar1
NDSU is much much closer to Boise State than Western Kentucky, U MASS, Georgia Southern, APP. State, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tball_programs
Look at the # of shit teams on this list. Seriously, take away the Big Sky and MVFC teams. And look at the number of "small" time schools.
We're not. We're 35 - 40 years behind Boise State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
LOL For most of the 20th Century, NDSU was light years ahead of Boise State because they did not have a #$#$ program. The reason they passed NDSU and our growth has been retarded by 20 years is because of guys like you and your mentality. We could have gone up in the mid 1990s for DI and DIAA. Now, you want to hold the program back even after we rewrite history and Quad.Quote:
Originally Posted by bisonaudit
For most of the 20th century ndsu was awful at football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
#buttQuad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
There are 650,000 people in Boise today. Fargo would have to grow 80% just to get to the size Boise was (400,000) when they moved up in 1996. Yes, we used to be ahead of them back in the day but then they experienced three decades of population grown in excess of 30% (one of them 45%) while we went sideways. We're just getting stated on what may prove to be that kind of explosive growth but they didn't move up until maybe halfway through their spurt.
I think there are two types of programs that move up from FCS to FBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by natstar1
1. The programs that are actually looking to step up in competition and have done what they could have done in FCS and want to go further. Marshall and Boise State seem to fit in this category. They eventually exceeded their stature in FCS. Marshall has been on the map for years because of great players. Boise State because of great upsets and rankings.
2. Programs who are losing money in FCS and think they can be profitable in FBS. Pretty much everybody else. App State and Georgia Southern are two great examples of this. Completely forget about their storied FCS histories. They didn't move up for better competition. They moved up because they were going broke in FCS. I think in the long run, these programs may never exceed what they did in FCS and I am also a believer that if you were losing money in FCS, you will eventually lose money in FBS. The extra money won't matter. The programs are what they are regardless of level and will always find their way to where they are supposed to be on the economic continuum. I also think if most of these FCS to FBS programs were suddenly thrust back into their old FCS conferences, they might be just as competitive as before but probably not at any higher level.
I am not anti-FBS for NDSU. No where will anyone find anything that says I am completely against ever moving to FBS. I am anti-FBS NOW for NDSU. Back to my take on the shakeups are not over and NDSU not needing to put themselves in a position where they put all their eggs in one basket today to find out the basket had a hole in it tomorrow when whatever conference they join is now disbanded. Sure they might be FBS, but they will be FBS with no FBS history, no FBS leverage, and possibly no resources to withstand that storm.
So back to your question. It is a very sound question and very relevant. Other than Boise State and Marshall, most of the country can't even name two more current FBS programs that used to be FCS. I wish this were because their FBS stature has become so outstanding, the FCS part of their history is a fading memory (which those two programs might have reached because how many remember they were FCS or 1AA at one time?); but more like they probably can't name the schools to begin with. Maybe App State, if you gave them the App part and the State part would they have a brief moment of recollection. Quick, name 3 schools in the Sun Belt without looking them up. It isn't easy. So not only have FCS schools failed to repeat their success at the next level, they primarily reside in conferences which are marginally of the FBS nature by name only. Even Conference USA with a few schools with a long FBS history, most would be hard pressed to name 4 schools in it and probably wouldn't even know that is the conference Marshall is in without being told. Some of these schools went from being the big fish in a little pond to being chum in the ocean. How do you get around that? In NDSU's case, you wait for everything to have some semblance of normalcy after the shakeups and make a move which insures the potential for something bigger then what they have now. Marshall isn't even guaranteed anything bigger than what they had when they were FCS and they might go undefeated with the easiest schedule in football.
td577, the time and effort you put into your posts is quite outstanding.
What happened to that lady's hand in your avatar?Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongman
I've had enough of strongman. I'll approve his posts when they are insult-free and add something to a conversation.
This thread is not new and better, btw.
Someone is fishing for Pos Rep.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Bisonguy
only 90,000 short of 240000 that lakes put up. That number is cass and clay counties.
You forgot the 50,000 seat outdoor stadium, so it's only 40k short and we still have 5 years to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1998braves64
And with DI fundraising soon in full effect, that's probably good for another 170k to the FM metro. I have the text.
Hah yah forgot about that! :) just realized I missed a whole page of posts.
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